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If UConn leaves the AAC...does the AAC consider UMass to replace them?
What about a uconn/umass move to the Big East?

Does the AAC go after a school with a profile the is more in-line with their recent additions such as Rice or Southern Miss?
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The AAC wont consider UMass until the facilities piece has been addressed. They are more likely a NBE option. Probably more likely than UConn, given UConn has a football spot in the AAC that UMass highly covets. I don't see UConn giving up all that ground in football. What do they get for it? Basketball prestige? What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.
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(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.
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(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

Of course the AAC would dump them. UConns value is in basketball. UConn isn't Navy. That said, a MAC membership for UConn is fine. They likely become an annual bowl team there and probably can compete for a championship as often as not. That's likely better for UConn football thannbeing an AAC also ran in most years. So, I don't think there's any significant downside to the move for UConn.
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(02-19-2017 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Of course the AAC would dump them. UConns value is in basketball. UConn isn't Navy.

Also, the AAC can't set the precedent of allowing members (other than Navy) to leave the conference whenever it suits them while keeping "partial membership" in whatever sports they want to leave there. The rule has to be, if you're not a service academy, you're either all the way in or all the way out.
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With as many teams that are becoming Indy, UConn could go Indy and be fine.
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(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

lol @ the Georgetown T-Shirt fan.

Dare the AAC to kick out football? They won't do it? As a Temple fan, I find that notion pretty funny... We've had our football jettisoned from two conferences.

UConn's "fading on the vine in the AAC" has nothing to do with their opponents and it is nothing winning wont take care of.

The question you should be asking is, will those warm fuzzies sustain throughout football season? How quenched will they feel once they've cannibalized football? Perhaps you should ask a UAB fan.
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(02-19-2017 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  a MAC membership for UConn...

Two quick points

1. I doubt the MAC will value a UConn FB-only arrangement any more than they valued Temple as a FB-only.

2. Does UConn really want to be peers with EMU, Buffalo, CMU, BGU, etc? How does the UConn fanbase feel about purchasing tickets to those games? Or seeing their brand in the sports page with said teams? Let's not forget, football relies on a lot more ticket sales than basketball does.

It would be interesting. 04-cheers

Because that's the crux of this whole rumor, isn't it? If it's all about the company you keep, then there you go.
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Wedge: I would apply that thinking to EVERY school!
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(02-19-2017 12:52 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Wedge: I would apply that thinking to EVERY school!

Navy's Olympics not being in the AAC is a mutual arrangement based on ability to compete. It's a completely different principle.
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BEH: schools should be all in or all out. If they worry about being competitive, get better athletes, or take your lumps.
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(02-19-2017 12:13 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

Of course the AAC would dump them. UConns value is in basketball. UConn isn't Navy. That said, a MAC membership for UConn is fine. They likely become an annual bowl team there and probably can compete for a championship as often as not. That's likely better for UConn football thannbeing an AAC also ran in most years. So, I don't think there's any significant downside to the move for UConn.

We'll probably never find out, but UConn is the AAC's only state flagship, and they are in a very lucrative market. So I don't think the AAC would kick them out in football.
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(02-19-2017 09:11 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  UConn only has two things of value. They are Women's basketball and Men's basketball. Women's basketball is the best in the NCAA, but unfortunately it is not a huge source of revenue for The American Athletic Conference. The Men's basketball program is struggling, but could be salvaged with a better coach. However, again basketball is not a big money maker for The American Athletic Conference. Given the Southern footprint of The American Athletic Conference, I would allow a weak UConn football program with limited football economic value to remain in The American Athletic Conference. I would seek another Southern school to replace them. I think teams need to be all in or out! 07-coffee3

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(02-19-2017 01:01 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 12:52 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  Wedge: I would apply that thinking to EVERY school!

Navy's Olympics not being in the AAC is a mutual arrangement based on ability to compete. It's a completely different principle.

It's actually the same principle. Look, everyone is open to bending, if the circumstance are right. That's why the AAC bends on Navy, it's why the ACC bends on Notre Dame, and it's why the Big East would bend to take a football-aspiring school in UConn, even though they split from the AAC because they were tired of football dominating the old Big East agenda.

UConn, of course, has their eye on the P5, not the AAC or Big East. They want ACC or B1G, so "will UConn go to the Big East in hoops and what would the AAC do about it for other sports" is probably moot.

But if ... 07-coffee3
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(02-19-2017 12:30 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

lol @ the Georgetown T-Shirt fan.

Dare the AAC to kick out football? They won't do it? As a Temple fan, I find that notion pretty funny... We've had our football jettisoned from two conferences.

LOL at the world's only Houston/UCF/Temple fan ... or what is it this week, Navy fan or Memphis? 03-lmfao

Temple isn't UConn. It's not a state flagship. Different beast. UConn is just more valuable overall than Temple. If the ACC or B1G were to decide to expand in the northeast, UConn would be at the top of their lists, Temple wouldn't get a minute's discussion.

That's just the way it is. 07-coffee3

We'll probably never know, but I can't see the AAC kicking out UConn football no matter what they do with hoops.
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(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 12:30 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

lol @ the Georgetown T-Shirt fan.

Dare the AAC to kick out football? They won't do it? As a Temple fan, I find that notion pretty funny... We've had our football jettisoned from two conferences.

LOL at the world's only Houston/UCF/Temple fan ... or what is it this week, Navy fan or Memphis? 03-lmfao

Temple isn't UConn. It's not a state flagship. Different beast. UConn is just more valuable overall than Temple. If the ACC or B1G were to decide to expand in the northeast, UConn would be at the top of their lists, Temple wouldn't get a minute's discussion.

That's just the way it is. 07-coffee3

We'll probably never know, but I can't see the AAC kicking out UConn football no matter what they do with hoops.
UCONN'S rivals are all in the ACC. UConn fans miss winning a helluva lot more than Providence and DePaul. They also are already scheduling the NBE teams they actually care about ooc, like Villanova and Georgetown Man, it was nice when it appeared like you'd taken a break from posting lol05-stirthepot
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(02-18-2017 11:30 PM)john01992 Wrote:  What about a uconn/umass move to the Big East?

Does the AAC go after a school with a profile the is more in-line with their recent additions such as Rice or Southern Miss?

No.
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(02-19-2017 10:00 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 12:30 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

lol @ the Georgetown T-Shirt fan.

Dare the AAC to kick out football? They won't do it? As a Temple fan, I find that notion pretty funny... We've had our football jettisoned from two conferences.

LOL at the world's only Houston/UCF/Temple fan ... or what is it this week, Navy fan or Memphis? 03-lmfao

Temple isn't UConn. It's not a state flagship. Different beast. UConn is just more valuable overall than Temple. If the ACC or B1G were to decide to expand in the northeast, UConn would be at the top of their lists, Temple wouldn't get a minute's discussion.

That's just the way it is. 07-coffee3

We'll probably never know, but I can't see the AAC kicking out UConn football no matter what they do with hoops.

UCONN'S rivals are all in the ACC. UConn fans miss winning a helluva lot more than Providence and DePaul.

Their rivals are in the Big East and ACC. And sure, they care about winning, everyone does.

Obviously, the ACC is preferred because it's P5. And I don't think anyone at UConn wants to think about any conference moves that aren't to the P5, so this is all a parlor game. But the reality is UConn isn't P5 right now, and the AAC is hurting them. UConn fans are well aware that it was the extremely fertile Big East hoops climate of the 1980s that allowed JC to build their program up from scratch to begin with, and it can work the other way too.

Fans don't care about AAC opponents, which matters because you have to sell tickets even in years when you aren't contending for a national title. UConn is losing its basketball buzz, and that's worrisome.
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(02-18-2017 11:55 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

While the Big East would surely welcome back our old friend UConn, the bolded part is wrong. The Big East is doing better without UConn than UConn is doing without the Big East. UConn is fading on the vine in the AAC. Their fans don't care about any AAC opponents, except a smidge for Cincy. Half the teams UConn fans regard as rivals are in the Big East, the other half are in the ACC. And the competition doesn't prepare them for anything nationally.

Unless the ACC comes calling, and it probably isn't, UConn should rejoin the Big East in hoops and dare the AAC to kick out their football. The AAC would huff and puff but wouldn't do it.

Of course the AAC would dump them. UConns value is in basketball. UConn isn't Navy. That said, a MAC membership for UConn is fine. They likely become an annual bowl team there and probably can compete for a championship as often as not. That's likely better for UConn football thannbeing an AAC also ran in most years. So, I don't think there's any significant downside to the move for UConn.

Agree. The AAC would kick out UConn in football in a New York minute.
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(02-18-2017 11:40 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Basketball prestige? What does that even mean? UConn would bring more prestige to the NBE than the reverse. They've won more Championships than that entire conference put together. They don't need the Catholic schools to give them the rub.

That is simply not a true statement.

UConn NC's = 4 (1999, 2004, 2011, 2014)

Big East NC's = 4 (Villanova 1985, 2016; Georgetown 1984; Marquette 1977)

Add to the BE's 4 championships the history of St John's with NIT championships in the early years of tournament play, which were the equal of NCAA titles in those days. Same with DePaul's 1945 and Seton Hall's 1953 NIT titles.

The Big East is currently a top 3 conference based on their level of play and RPI rating. They have championships in the modern era and a history that goes back to the earliest days of national competition. That's a lot of prestige. UConn brings a ton of recent success but not a lot before the last 25 years or so.
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