(02-17-2017 09:34 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 09:26 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  The only reason we hired him was because he was 100% approved/certified "safe" while we were in the final stages of "for sure" getting into the B12 (IMHO). That said, I never thought coaching and game decisions would be the area everyone would be questioning with him.

Stealing a Big 12 coach was going to "help" us get into the Big 12?

That's not the way it was viewed. Certainly hiring TS from TT wasn't the reason we didn't get in. Or even the most minor of minor reasons. Completely non-impactful.

(02-16-2017 11:31 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

Can we count on you to stop posting since you are so sick of it?

Put him on ignore like a lot on here have. It sure makes coming on here a little easier.But we are not playing as a team right for some reason. Guard play is a big issue.

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

If you're so sick of watching, then maybe you need to take your happy @ss out of the equation and just stop watching. Nobody is happy about last nights game, and yes there were mistakes made by both players and coaches, but your agenda against TS has gotten old and repetitive, so like I said, maybe you should just take your continued griping happy @ss on down the road and quit watching.

(02-17-2017 06:12 AM)BlueRaider220 Wrote:  Look at the bright side, you still have great Football.

And only getting better. Tiger football, best show in town. Can't get here fast enough.

Ollie is terrible! Terrible!

This one hurt.

(02-17-2017 10:05 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

If you're so sick of watching, then maybe you need to take your happy @ss out of the equation and just stop watching. Nobody is happy about last nights game, and yes there were mistakes made by both players and coaches, but your agenda against TS has gotten old and repetitive, so like I said, maybe you should just take your continued griping happy @ss on down the road and quit watching.

+3. Penny's comments would be understandable given last night if he didn't have a posting history and blatantly obvious agenda.

I turned it off shortly after the 2nd half began, when UConn cut the lead to 9. It just didn't smell good at that point, and getting up at 3:15am I wanted to sleep "hoping" the Tigers would hold on, then watch the recording today. First thing I saw on my phone on the CA app was the word "collapse." Glad I didn't continue to watch.

(02-17-2017 09:41 AM)memphisike Wrote:  We need a Dude who can BUST A TREY

True dat.

(02-17-2017 10:33 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

This...

(02-17-2017 12:13 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

If you don't attempt to move the ball in a half court set it's very easy to defend. If guys are still doing what they did in game 2 on offense, that's coaching my friend

You can move the ball all you want, if you can't finish it won't matter a lick.

If Tubby implemented the offense that the Golden State Warriors run and whipped the ball all around the court masterfully, you still end up with the ball in the hand of a 25%-30% 3point shooter instead of Steph Curry.

Compare our W-L record, record vs Top___, etc to Tubby's NCAA Tourney Texas Tech team. The different treatment we get vs the bottom feeders in Power5 is incredible.

I put that here because some of us thought the Tubby name would change that.

(02-17-2017 12:21 AM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 12:04 AM)Blackman Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:30 PM)TigerFan386 Wrote:  I really miss watching a team that runs anything resembling an offense. After surviving Pastner I was happy at the beginning of the season to see much better ball movement, but by December this team regressed. No ball movement, just dribbling for 25 seconds and chucking up some crap. Not much movement off the ball. I just don't understand how a Hall of Fame candidate coach doesn't have some go to offensive plays he can call up when we go in these scoring droughts. We don't go through droughts because we miss shots, but because we take horrible, last second shots. Tubby is definitely mailing it in, falls asleep during the games, never calls time outs, doesn't get his guys fired up. The only thing we can hope for is he's just mailing it in this season rather than his final coaching stop here at Memphis.

This team didnt suddenly regress....opponents figured out that if you pack the paint and take Dedric out of the game, no one else on the team can consistently make enough plays or hit enough shots to win.

I don't care what "plays" you run, if the defense has 5 guys with a foot in the paint to stop all drives and the athletes to recover to challenge mediocre shooting, this is what you will see.

Yes, we do not have guards that consistently break down their man off the dribble. Yes, I know teams have watched plenty of tape on us and know that they can sag a little and clog the paint. No, all of this is still not an excuse for our half court offense consistently standing and dribbling out the shot clock while there is little off the ball movement. Lazy excuse for a lazy coaching staff.

You acknowledged that our guards can't break down defenses...
and that teams are going to clog the paint.

Now for a team that can't shoot well outside the paint, and can't break down guys off the dribble, why would any opposing defense be the slightest bit concerned about our off the ball movement?

UCONN had a bigger and stronger player at every position on the floor.
There are only two ways to beat that...outshoot them, or out run them. When we did, we built a big lead, when we didn't we got beat. Same thing with Temple, same thing with Tacko Fall and UCF.

There are quite a few criticisms I have of Tubby...
He failed to get enough playable bodies for this year...
He runs Dedric and Markel into the ground with minutes...
He doesn't show enough fire and passion...
etc.etc.

But this team is limited.
It doesn't mean they are BAD, they play hard, they are just LIMITED.
The teams that can expose those limitations are going to be tough on us.

(02-17-2017 10:11 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:05 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

If you're so sick of watching, then maybe you need to take your happy @ss out of the equation and just stop watching. Nobody is happy about last nights game, and yes there were mistakes made by both players and coaches, but your agenda against TS has gotten old and repetitive, so like I said, maybe you should just take your continued griping happy @ss on down the road and quit watching.

+3. Penny's comments would be understandable given last night if he didn't have a posting history and blatantly obvious agenda.

Why the hell do obvious facts bother all you Tubby worshippers? If that had been Pastner, this thread would be 5 times as long. Pastner couldn't coach a lick but he wasn't this stubborn.

(02-17-2017 08:01 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  Also, penny lane's posts are brilliant and flawless.
They have such great insight.

Great response by you to my points too.

He lost the game ... didn't know what to do when they went into their zone. UCONN doubled anyone that touched the ball in the second half down low. It was a great gameplan to get back in the game. Tubby needs to use his TO's more ... blah, on to the next.

(02-17-2017 08:08 AM)BigBlueTiger901 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

Then quit watching. You won't be missed.

Your memory isn't very good. Because you don't remember the 4-9 stretch in conference play last season with this talent:


2015–16 Memphis Tigers men's basketball team
Players Coaches
Pos. # Name Height Weight Year Home town
F 0 Trahson Burrell 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 187 lb (85 kg) Sr Albany, New York
F 1 Dedric Lawson 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) 228 lb (103 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
F 2 Shaq Goodwin 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) 229 lb (104 kg) Sr Atlanta, Georgia
G 3 Avery Woodson 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 189 lb (86 kg) Jr Waynesboro, Mississippi
G 4 Dante Scott (W) 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Fr Smyrna, Georgia
G 5 Markel Crawford 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 205 lb (93 kg) RS So Memphis, Tennessee
G 10 Jeremiah Martin 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 179 lb (81 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
G 11 Randall Broddie 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 170 lb (77 kg) Fr Oxon Hill, Maryland
G 12 Craig Randall 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 173 lb (78 kg) Fr Phoenix, Arizona
G/F 14 K. J. Lawson 6 ft 7 in (2.01 m) 204 lb (93 kg) Fr Memphis, Tennessee
G 15 Kedren Johnson 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Sr Lewisburg, Tennessee
G 20 Ricky Tarrant 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 184 lb (83 kg) Sr Pleasant Grove, Alabama
F 30 Nick Marshall 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 248 lb (112 kg) Fr Lexington, Tennessee
G 23 Sam Craft (W) 6 ft 0 in (1.83 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Jr Memphis, Tennessee
G/F 32 Caleb Wallingford (W) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 214 lb (97 kg) Sr Elkhorn, Nebraska
G/F 42 Jake McDowell (W) 6 ft 5 in (1.96 m) 210 lb (95 kg) Jr Memphis, Tennessee
Head coach
Josh Pastner (Arizona)
Assistant coach(es)
Robert Kirby (University of Texas–Pan American)
Keelon Lawson (Union University)
Damon Stoudamire (Arizona)
Legend
© Team captain
(S) Suspended
(I) Ineligible
(W) Walk-on
Injured Injured
Redshirt Current redshirt
Roster
Last update: 11/6/2015

I knew there was No Way they could keep Pastner despite what the media said. Too much revenue at stake-although hiring Tubby (who DOES NOT promote Tiger BB as our good coaches have) has dropped revenue even more.

(02-17-2017 12:13 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:11 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:05 AM)wylioats Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Getting outcoached every game. Blows huge leads. Gives up huge runs.

Martin can NOT run a half court O-yet TS allows him to stand 25 ft from basket and pound dribble EVERY half court possession.

And what's up with Martin talking trash EVERY play but can't back up s***. Bench him. Season over anyway.

Allows horrible shot selection without consequences

Doesn't know when to use a TO.

Zone D gave them lead. He stuck with it.

We shoot with under 3 seconds more than any team I've seen-see Martin above

Randall was hot-when was his last shot?

Effort is NOT there-tired of hearing that BS. Watch the guys make cuts-best indicator of effort. Lazy most nights.

I'm sick of watching the same offense and defense since game one. Not ANY ADJUSTMENTS!

I'm sick of watching this lazy, cocky team.

This is one of my least favorite Tiger Teams and in game coaching staffs I can remember. Why so many stay away.

If you're so sick of watching, then maybe you need to take your happy @ss out of the equation and just stop watching. Nobody is happy about last nights game, and yes there were mistakes made by both players and coaches, but your agenda against TS has gotten old and repetitive, so like I said, maybe you should just take your continued griping happy @ss on down the road and quit watching.

+3. Penny's comments would be understandable given last night if he didn't have a posting history and blatantly obvious agenda.

Why the hell do obvious facts bother all you Tubby worshippers? If that had been Pastner, this thread would be 5 times as long. Pastner couldn't coach a lick but he wasn't this stubborn.

Really? Pastner wasn't "this" stubborn? You have some interesting lenses you view the world through.

(02-17-2017 12:12 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 12:11 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 12:07 AM)M1T4 Wrote:  Just don't watch it anymore if Tubby makes you have this much spitefulness

It's not Tubbys program. It's ours. And I will try to help keep it prominent for as long as I can. Tubby was hired as a place holder. That's all he is and doing.

You act like he is running it into the ground

If he is it's a very short run. All I expect(ed) is(was) to get through this season over .500 and then let the rebuilding start. If after year three we are still waiting on progress then it's time to start looking again.

I anticipate a much better product on the floor next season, if there isn't one then we can start worrying but this season isn't the one to be gnashing and wailing over.

Lost 3 of the last 4, it hasn't been pretty.

I think it's half and half - half Tubby isn't making all the right calls, half the players are messing up - when the combination collides, it's ugly - i.e. Markel misses 2 FTs, we stay in zone a few possessions too long, they rebound the second missed FT, come down and hit a wide open 3 against the zone and then another 3 and then the 10 point lead, that could've been 12, is down to 4 in a matter of less than a minute. That's on players and coaches. It's not simply just one or the other, but there is something that isn't meshing well at points of games right now for both sides.

Really, some of these guys acted like they had never before thrown a post entry pass last night.

Whatever at this point.