(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Liberty pulled better than the Sun Belt.

Justice was served.

I am glad that there will be another independent. CFB needs more.

Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

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I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

1. Never said they were.
2. OK. They have enough money.
3. Same goes for C-USA and many Sun Belt games.
4. A decent point. Sure, rivals are nice but what rivalries does Liberty have currently? And what rivalries would they have in C-USA or the Sun Belt? It is not a dealbreaker.
5. Let's be honest, I love bowl games. I am glad there are so many but most bowl games outside of the major ones are interchangeable to the public and if Liberty shows constant good ratings and fan support to bowls, they will receive tie-ins.

It is a matter of personal preference on the whole but Liberty does not have any rivalries if they joined the Sun Belt, scheduling can be a mix of new faces (more exciting than a steady diet of the same old, same old), a chance to visit plenty of different stadiums. Let's face it, the chances of a Sun Belt team in the Access Bowl is 5% at best. There is a chance but a slim one.

You are darn right, I love being independent and more teams should do it for diversity.

No, I wouldn't. Army would easily find games.

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Liberty pulled better than the Sun Belt.

Justice was served.

I am glad that there will be another independent. CFB needs more.

Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

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I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

(02-18-2017 03:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 01:55 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  If liberty were smart they'd throw ESPN millions of $ per game to get broadcast on the flagship. If money truly is no object.

Yea, but there's still an issue with that. ESPN doesn't want to have a schedule filled with LU vs UMass on a Saturday night. The money for that game might be okay, but the ratings wont be. Remember that if ESPN doesn't produce content that people want to watch, they'll just cut the cord.

If LU wants to throw some coin at ESPN, they can do so, but there's a limit to what ESPN will probably sell to them. Maybe ESPNNews on Thursday night. If they paid

They'll need some compelling matchups and they'll need to put a football product on the field that people want to watch.

Here's another issue. Remember that the advantage of a tv deal on a conference basis from the perspective of the content provider is that there's some flexibility as the season progresses. Team A starts falling apart, then just change the game scheduled. With independents, you really can't do that.

ESPN doesn't want Sun Belt games on Saturday night. Ditto for C-USA and the MWC. Boise State is the only one from the MWC and maybe ranked AAC teams.

(02-18-2017 03:52 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  I think HOOD's "pulled better" comment was probably about their attendance, as in they should be allowed to be FBS if they can pull in that many fans. I think.

With that said, he does seem to take a shot at the Belt whenever the opportunity arises, so maybe it was something else.

I appreciate the defense but it is about Liberty being independent. Any team that goes independent pulled better in my eyes. I dislike conferences and that idiotic conference invite rule.

And I do like taking a shot or two. Especially since you chaps here battle back.

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Liberty pulled better than the Sun Belt.

Justice was served.

I am glad that there will be another independent. CFB needs more.

Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

---

I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics are a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the desperate. Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Liberty pulled better than the Sun Belt.

Justice was served.

I am glad that there will be another independent. CFB needs more.

Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

---

I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

(02-18-2017 06:25 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

---

I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

Can't fault Liberty for trying to improve themselves, but I agree with Tom, it's telling that they didn't perform better in the Big South.

To put it in perspective, I've lived in North Carolina my entire life (Charlotte for most of it). There are 4 Big South schools in this state, and Winthrop is right across the border. If you combine every local advertisement (billboard, print, local TV ad) that I've seen for those 5 schools in my entire life, it probably doesn't match the number of times I've seen the Liberty TV commercial in the last week.

Why is Liberty not crushing this conference in every sport? They should be in the FCS playoffs and NCAA tournament every single year with the kind of competitive advantage they have. It either means they have the wrong people running their athletic department, or it's just really really hard to recruit top tier athletes to a strict evangelical school.

(02-18-2017 07:15 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:25 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

Can't fault Liberty for trying to improve themselves, but I agree with Tom, it's telling that they didn't perform better in the Big South.

To put it in perspective, I've lived in North Carolina my entire life (Charlotte for most of it). There are 4 Big South schools in this state, and Winthrop is right across the border. If you combine every local advertisement (billboard, print, local TV ad) that I've seen for those 5 schools in my entire life, it probably doesn't match the number of times I've seen the Liberty TV commercial in the last week.

Why is Liberty not crushing this conference in every sport? They should be in the FCS playoffs and NCAA tournament every single year with the kind of competitive advantage they have. It either means they have the wrong people running their athletic department, or it's just really really hard to recruit top tier athletes to a strict evangelical school.

It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

My reaction: Liberty is going FBS as an independent? Shrug.

I'm surprised this isn't more people's reaction.

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:15 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:25 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

Can't fault Liberty for trying to improve themselves, but I agree with Tom, it's telling that they didn't perform better in the Big South.

To put it in perspective, I've lived in North Carolina my entire life (Charlotte for most of it). There are 4 Big South schools in this state, and Winthrop is right across the border. If you combine every local advertisement (billboard, print, local TV ad) that I've seen for those 5 schools in my entire life, it probably doesn't match the number of times I've seen the Liberty TV commercial in the last week.

Why is Liberty not crushing this conference in every sport? They should be in the FCS playoffs and NCAA tournament every single year with the kind of competitive advantage they have. It either means they have the wrong people running their athletic department, or it's just really really hard to recruit top tier athletes to a strict evangelical school.

It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I also heard LU eats babies.

"Discourage interracial dating" says the peanut gallery.

Fact: Head Football Coach Turner Gill's wife is Caucasian.

(02-19-2017 11:45 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  "Discourage interracial dating" says the peanut gallery.

Fact: Head Football Coach Turner Gill's wife is Caucasian.

Lol....oops.

You know it's okay to call people "white" right?

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I think you are confusing Liberty with Bob Jones. Even back in the '80s when I was in school, Liberty didn't discourage interracial dating. That came out of nowhere.

Tom rehashed his typical baseless arguments that he spread over for close to two years. We've been down that road many times before. Anyone from any religion or lifestyle is welcome to attend Liberty. But yes, we do limit faculty and staff to those who adhere to our Christian principles. A novel idea for a proivate institution.

The misconceptions about Liberty could fill hundreds of page sin this forum but have nothing to do with where we stand now.

Would we value membership in the Sun Belt and accept an offer it came tomorrow? Absolutely. Is independence a good place for us to be at this juncture? We certainly believe so. We are good with the situation and you would think even our Belt detractors should find this amenable. You guys don't have to associate with the supposedly ignorant bigots and we can meet up on the football field when opportunity arises. It's a win-win.

As for Liberty's underperformance in the Big South, outside of mens hoops we pretty much are top two in the league in every sport. Coastal did a bang up job in the Big South and I wouldn't take anything away from them. They have our respect. We just switched out ADs and have been turning over coaching staff in multiple sports based on the underperformance. We are trying to address the issue.

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:15 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:25 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

Can't fault Liberty for trying to improve themselves, but I agree with Tom, it's telling that they didn't perform better in the Big South.

To put it in perspective, I've lived in North Carolina my entire life (Charlotte for most of it). There are 4 Big South schools in this state, and Winthrop is right across the border. If you combine every local advertisement (billboard, print, local TV ad) that I've seen for those 5 schools in my entire life, it probably doesn't match the number of times I've seen the Liberty TV commercial in the last week.

Why is Liberty not crushing this conference in every sport? They should be in the FCS playoffs and NCAA tournament every single year with the kind of competitive advantage they have. It either means they have the wrong people running their athletic department, or it's just really really hard to recruit top tier athletes to a strict evangelical school.

It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I simply don't have the words to respond to this. ?

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(02-19-2017 03:30 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 07:15 PM)HappyAppy Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:25 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics is a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the "land of the misfit toys". Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

Ouch. Rough night? Someone needs a time out. LU might as well rescind their waiver and remain FCS as no possibility exists for LU to have any success ever.

Can't fault Liberty for trying to improve themselves, but I agree with Tom, it's telling that they didn't perform better in the Big South.

To put it in perspective, I've lived in North Carolina my entire life (Charlotte for most of it). There are 4 Big South schools in this state, and Winthrop is right across the border. If you combine every local advertisement (billboard, print, local TV ad) that I've seen for those 5 schools in my entire life, it probably doesn't match the number of times I've seen the Liberty TV commercial in the last week.

Why is Liberty not crushing this conference in every sport? They should be in the FCS playoffs and NCAA tournament every single year with the kind of competitive advantage they have. It either means they have the wrong people running their athletic department, or it's just really really hard to recruit top tier athletes to a strict evangelical school.

It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I simply don't have the words to respond to this. ?

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How about that's not true. If it was I doubt they would hire a black man with a white wife to coach football.

This is a complete non-event, honestly.

(02-18-2017 06:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 05:07 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:04 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:59 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Liberty pulled better than the Sun Belt.

Justice was served.

I am glad that there will be another independent. CFB needs more.

Huh?

1) Liberty ain't Army. They'll get games, but they won't be picking them like Army does.
2) Liberty will receive no CFP payout
3) Liberty's TV 'deal' will result in them being on a channel that very few people watch and most people couldn't find on their cable lineup.
4) Liberty will have 0 rivals, because their schedule will constantly change. Imagine Army's schedule without Air Force or Navy. Liberty's fans will have an ever changing list of teams, most of whom they have nothing in common with to play and then repeat that process next year. And opposing teams won't really pay much attention to LU either, unless they are talking about the political diminsion.
5) And if they qualify for a bowl, they'll either get shut out, or they'll get the absolute last slot available. Remember if LU decides to keep their games off of ESPN and use their TV network...ESPN will have every motivation to not help LU when it comes to bowl slots.

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I fail to see how LU got a better deal than the Belt. No rivalries, chaotic scheduling, nothing to play for after they lose a game, a lopsided schedule that involves a lot of late season travel, no access to the access bowl, etc.

I get it..you like Independence (but you have 2 every year rivals). I think you'd feel different if you didn't play AFA or Navy every year.

I think he just really dislikes the Sun Belt for some reason and is happy that Liberty going FBS is preposterous to most of us. Since admittedly, most of us want to keep them "in their place". Which is not among our schools.

Nah, I like the Sun Belt, well as much as I like any conference.

I just have never liked how posters here act like they are superior to Liberty.

And that is why I like poking fun at your balloon. Acting like your teams are superior to Liberty. You are acting like those SEC fans everyone cannot stand.

Excuse me while I laugh at a supporter of Liberty calling anyone judgemental. They're so judgemental that they categorically exclude the contributions of 80 percent of the world's population.

The SBC told LU "no thanks" when they offered us a mint to take them for a reason. Part of it is that LU's athletics are a joke (and has been for a loong time, across multiple sports) even with their supposed advantages. They could barely compete in the Big South. And no other conference, including other FCS conferences, wanted them either. Basically, their last 6 years have been "win 4 games vs D2, NEC, Pioneer teams (no - few scholarship teams), plus 2 vs the dregs of FCS (Presby and Kennsaw), then beat a couple of 6-5 FCS teams. Whoop de do. Congrats on beating a transitional FBS team and Georgia State. Basketball has been 'meh'. Baseball has been 'meh'.

The winningest basketball coach in SBC history couldn't get a job as a janitor at LU. The biggest donor to any of our institutions would be ineligible for any position at LU. The school ended up with Turner Gill, whose coaching qualifications are questionable, due to the fact that LU limits its searches to a very narrow strip of the population. And that's probably one reason why LU's sports teams, for all the money and supposed advantages LU has....generally underperform by a HUGE margin of their peers. The could barely compete in the Big South. No one wants them. For a reason. They don't try to compete at the highest level with the best staff and students. They'll likely struggle in FBS.

The other problem is that evangelicals are welcome at just about every institution in the country, including at every FBS school. Heck they are in the majority in tons of FBS schools. LU doesn't have a captive audience like BYU does. LU isn't filling some underserved community. It isn't filling some huge void in our educational system. Its a fringe school. And LU will be competing with schools with far better resources than even LU can provide. Moving to FBS isn't really going to help them much. Tim Tebow would still go to Florida.

Here's my projection of LU's 2018 home FBS schedule. NMSU, one of Troy/Ga Southern/Coastal, and UMass. The teams that are late to schedule and the desperate. Maybe BYU might throw them a scheduling bone for late season purposes.

I wouldn't say that I am a supporter. I am more like a person tired of seeing Liberty dragged through the mud, especially when they have the money and fan support to participate at the FBS level but couldn't because of an idiotic rule. Seriously, as an FBS fan, it gets old watching a good amount of call-ups (CCU), retreads (NMSU) and new programs (Charlotte and Georgia State) still reside or immediately jump into the FBS ring over Liberty. Has Liberty underachieved in some ways? Yes, but at least they have fans at their stadium and won't present viewers with the emptiness of Georgia State games. Also, they have the chance of youth, unlike NMSU. And a completed stadium, unlike CCU. My intent is not to take potshots at these programs which are trying mightily against fearsome odds and I applaud that but to say that they deserve a spot over Liberty is rather bold.

Let's be honest, the SBU took on Idaho and NMSU for football. Outside of a rare good year, they have no potential for growth. The Sun Belt is not a picky shopper. Of course, I doubt many Sun Belt teams do not want to deal with a grown Liberty and all of its financial advantages and that is fine, just be honest about it.

Who is that?
And how so?

Welcomed to a certain extent but their views are more often than not harshly mocked.

So? I didn't realize that is a necessity for a school and in a way it is. It is the flagship for evangelicals.
There are a lot of schools out there that are not "needed" before Liberty can ever be considered.

Guess what, Tim Tebow wasn't going to a Sun Belt school (or MAC, MWC, CUSA etc) either. Equal ground there.

OK? It is not a terrible schedule and it is year one for them.

(02-19-2017 02:22 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  You know it's okay to call people "white" right?

I prefer the terms Anglo-American or Euro-American. Why can't my heritage be included? Why must I and others be categorized as "White?"

(02-19-2017 06:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 02:22 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  You know it's okay to call people "white" right?

I prefer the terms Anglo-American or Euro-American. Why can't my heritage be included? Why must I and others be categorized as "White?"

I like occidental better.