(02-17-2017 09:13 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 07:24 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'm saying that IF we only get $200,000 per team in the new AAC ESPN TV deal, it's time to disband the AAC.

If that happens my choice would be for UC, UCONN, Temple, and Memphis to push for Big East inclusion in olympic sports. We could all go inday and along with BYU, Army, and UMASS have a lose scheduling agreement. This group alone would fill up half a schedule. You throw in the annual FCS cupcake and each of us would only need to find four or five games. (UC still has our annual game vs Miami OH for instance). It could work.

Temple would never be added to the Big East due to Nova.

Cincinnati's in the same boat (Xavier). The odds of this happening are extremely low. The Big East will take only one (UConn) so they can do a round robin schedule of 20 conference games. UConn will have to face the dilemma of making their football INDY, MAC or FCS.

(02-16-2017 09:40 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  Seriously, what are you trying to say with the bolded line? You're posts are excrutiating to read, because I have to break out my AACbbs decoder ring; and even that thing has no idea what half the things you're trying to say, actually say.

i type on my phone at work (where im not supposed to be, so i cant give in detail proof reads)

and the "k e" was "the" it wasnt that hard to decode...your decoder ring is very bad..get a new one

Is there anyone here who thinks that the AAC, currently at 2 million per team, with two recent NY6 victories, and great ratings... would seriously drop to 200k per team???

This is either a mistake, or severe political BS designed to make us look devalued prior to a negotiation...

Either way, not even worth a serious response or debate. It's utter nonsense.

Now, I fully expect a lot of nonsense to be tossed about as we get closer to our negotiation period... probably a lot originating at ESPN. This is business... and they will try to get us as cheap as humanly possible. It's the job of Aresco to fight that, publicly, and get us as much as possible.

I am VERY uncomfortable testing the open market... that blew up in disastrous fashion for the Big East, and the same treatment could happen to the AAC. Plus, even at low dollars the exposure on ESPN is *huge* for our conference. We shine these days, and a lot of people are seeing it happen.

A reasonable raise, enough to keep us tweener, able to compete and beat the P5 regularly, and above the 'G4', is good enough.

(02-16-2017 11:35 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 07:44 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 02:51 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 02:47 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 02:21 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Has worked out great so far.....

we have by far the best G5 deal in terms of money and exposure. Not sure what yall were expecting in 2012 when the deal was signed, we were a bunch of no name schools who no one cares about. Basically CUSA 2.0 +cinci uconn and usf who lets face it don't move the needle when it comes to football.

I'll be more critical of aresco if he fails to increase revenue on the next round of negotiations.

Here we go again.

We make a couple 100k more than the MWC. Aresco had legit nothing to do with the exposure, ESPN matched the terrible NBC offer, he had no other choice. Oh and our bowls stink. The AAC schools are far and away the best group of G5 schools in terms of every metric (history, prestige, brand, markets, budgets, facilities, coaches).

Whatever. The guy is horribly overpaid.

This has got to be k e of the dumbest posts

1) even if ESPN didn't match we would have had 10 guaranteed games on nbc/cbs for football/basketball that's 10x more broadcast game than any other G5

2) ESPN to date has matched 100% of contracts and sued the one conference that didn't let them match.. To believe aresco didn't know that and use it to his advantage is stupid

3) aresco had to negotiate how the nbc deal translated to ESPN.. Espn could have easily said all the guaranteed nbcsports game are all equivalent to espnnews but here we are with over 60 Espn2 or higher games a year for all sports

To say he had nothing to do with the exposure is idiotic and I hope you get as much credit in your job as you give aresco

And you last point is also dumb...we weren't better by every metric in 2013, most thought we'd lose houston and Smu to the MWC, the computers that year even ranked the MWC higher, and They had dramatically better stability.. You are comparing 2016-17 AAC to a deal signed in 2013...

Which adds to aresco credit, nbc wanted a 14 year deal aresco said he wanted a 3 year deal becuase he knew we'd be valued dramatically more when the dust settled.. It was eventually settled at 6, but aresco said he planned to renegotiate in 4..

Endless falshoods. Is ur last name aresco? To b clear, getting paid as a commish ($1.6mm before travel expenses) almost the same as an entire athletic dept (2.1mm) is somehow reasonable in your mind. Congrats.

yes, it is

im not sure where you work but you have to offer something to get someone to jump on a burning ship... we lost THIRTEEN members mid negotiations. most were decided before he came..we were rumored to lose 6 more..we were rumored to disolve who would put their reputation on that for little money

people like you are the exact reason he got paid so much...there are few realistic situation better than what we actually ended up with..anyone expecting a ton of money in 2013 was delusional...our exposure deal is actually better than the old big east deal by a margin (example lousiville as a top big east team averaged 14 national televised game, tulane as a bottom feeder gets 18 in the AAC)
they blame him for tulane, despite that being on the presidents, they blame him for the c7 leaving ignoring that it was well documented, fox manipulated that entire thing while they were still in the big east and offered them money to leave...

any Commish coming in was going to put on the stake and be blamed for everything they couldnt control...to get any respectable name like arescos' we had to put money on the table..im fine with it..we have a 100mil treasure chest, sacrificing 5mil to put us in a positon for success and better tv money in 2018 is well worth it

All hail, Aresco the Great!

(02-17-2017 10:12 AM)Bull Wrote:  Is there anyone here who thinks that the AAC, currently at 2 million per team, with two recent NY6 victories, and great ratings... would seriously drop to 200k per team???

This is either a mistake, or severe political BS designed to make us look devalued prior to a negotiation...

Either way, not even worth a serious response or debate. It's utter nonsense.

Now, I fully expect a lot of nonsense to be tossed about as we get closer to our negotiation period... probably a lot originating at ESPN. This is business... and they will try to get us as cheap as humanly possible. It's the job of Aresco to fight that, publicly, and get us as much as possible.

I am VERY uncomfortable testing the open market... that blew up in disastrous fashion for the Big East, and the same treatment could happen to the AAC. Plus, even at low dollars the exposure on ESPN is *huge* for our conference. We shine these days, and a lot of people are seeing it happen.

A reasonable raise, enough to keep us tweener, able to compete and beat the P5 regularly, and above the 'G4', is good enough.

I agree completely. Anybody that actually believes this to be true needs to come off the ledge. The next deal will be based off of actual metrics that have been gathered around viewership. I think based on that data the league will fair very well. Now whether or not that is 4 million a team or 10 is anyone's guess. But these league has value.

I mean to say these media deals are cratering just isn't true. The MAC just extended there deal and got 8 times I believe what they were getting and the Big10 just backed their truck up to Wells Fargo and took it all. So the reality is there is money for ratings delivered and I think the American delivers that. I think CUSA didn't hence the big drop although as some people indicated it was actually a big increased for a lot of the teams that joined.

(02-17-2017 07:51 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 09:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 09:00 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 09:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Nothing to see here.

It's more BS. Here is another tweet by Dodd this week. He's clearly pushing an agenda.


Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs Feb 13

A Group of Five playoff is still a thing.

He also jumped on that click bait article by Rothstein that started that Uconn to the NBE sh!t storm this week. It seems like he has an unnatural interest in trying to make us seem unstable. That hack really, really hates the AAC'S existence for some reason.

He has been the guy when it comes to realignment news. That's been his thing. As far as him hating on the AAC maybe you are on to something....he certainly feels threatened by anything that threatens the status quo: Cartel 5 conference set up, which is strange considering he's not an ESPN guy, so he has no obvious vested interest. It's worth looking into.
Cheers!

Ummm, just as much corporate interest at CBS as at ABC/ESPN in driving down the perceived value of the American.
That was true last time around when Dodd's irresponsible idiocy

That's a funny way to spell "being right last time when the conventional wisdom was wrong." Just saying.

Quote:increased the perception of instability, and it is true now.
Clear conflict of interest in news department putting out shoddy pieces that support a negotiation by the programming department. It would be one thing if this was reporting with, you know, sources and hard work; when it is rumormongering and then slapping the CBS logo on it, it is another.

Journalistic ethics are dead.

(02-17-2017 10:12 AM)Bull Wrote:  Is there anyone here who thinks that the AAC, currently at 2 million per team, with two recent NY6 victories, and great ratings... would seriously drop to 200k per team???

This is either a mistake, or severe political BS designed to make us look devalued prior to a negotiation...

Either way, not even worth a serious response or debate. It's utter nonsense.

Now, I fully expect a lot of nonsense to be tossed about as we get closer to our negotiation period... probably a lot originating at ESPN. This is business... and they will try to get us as cheap as humanly possible. It's the job of Aresco to fight that, publicly, and get us as much as possible.

I am VERY uncomfortable testing the open market... that blew up in disastrous fashion for the Big East, and the same treatment could happen to the AAC. Plus, even at low dollars the exposure on ESPN is *huge* for our conference. We shine these days, and a lot of people are seeing it happen.

A reasonable raise, enough to keep us tweener, able to compete and beat the P5 regularly, and above the 'G4', is good enough.

How do you feel about the chance to TEST the open market:

"Say, ESPN, I have this inventory of Navy home games for '18-'19. Wanna talk about adding them, and the '19 ArmyNavy game? And while we're at it, we can talk about extension with a raise, including more A-N and some 2.4 million viewer Navy-ND games? Speaking of viewers, then we can run some numbers on the value of the whole thing - 3 million viewers for regular season football games that aren't even decisive for the division, 1.2 million for historic WBB, 2 million for our football championship game...do you want to find a number now for 2020-2024 or do you want me to come back in two years with a SOLID CBS $ figure for just Navy home games (Navy-Memphis, Navy-Houston, Navy USF, and Navy-Temple have already gotten you 6 million viewers in the last two years) and A-N ???"

(02-17-2017 10:12 AM)Bull Wrote:  Is there anyone here who thinks that the AAC, currently at 2 million per team, with two recent NY6 victories, and great ratings... would seriously drop to 200k per team???

IT's entirely possible if the ESPN money spigot dries up. (The other networks are/were throwing big money around in order to build ESPN clones and get some of that sweet ESPN subscriber-dollar action. So if ESPN catches the flu, FoxSports1 and CBS-SN and NBC-SN are using sick days too.) There's a reason I was watching the CUSA deal and the Big Ten deals as harbingers of what's going to happen to your TV contract, because that's a hint as to our (Big East) future TV contract. We're not all in the same boat, but we're in the same lake--if it's flooding or if it's drying up, we're all going in the same direction.

Quote:This is either a mistake, or severe political BS designed to make us look devalued prior to a negotiation...

It seems to have been Radio Pundit/Guest Dennis Dodd shooting the breeze, and getting misinterpeted as Journalist-with-the-sources Dodd. The actual quote was message-board-reported as something like "Heck I dunno, $2M for the whole G5? Chuckle. Seriously, we don't know yet."

Espn is in the best shape. I'm seeing them added with all the big streaming packages. Fox Sports on many and CBS on a few. Disney owns ABC, ESPN, Disney Channels, etc. That is a pretty big lineup. It is easier to get rid of nickelodeon, cbs, etc.

I see our next contact at $3.5 million per team which expires with the big 12 contract. I also see them pushing a few basketball schools to help with tv inventory. We shall see.

(02-17-2017 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  That's a funny way to spell "being right last time when the conventional wisdom was wrong." Just saying.

I was really focusing on the conflict of interest.

Chicken Little says "The sky is falling! Business venture X is worthless!"
Chicken Little's business partner and relative goes into negotiations with Company X and says "I read a story by Chicken Little that the sky is falling; here's a lowball offer."
Now that Chicken Little's partner/relative has a lowball offer helping to set the market, a third party takes advantage and makes a similarly low offer which Company X takes.

Company X and shareholders are LEGITIMATELY pissed at Chicken Little's conflict of interest and shoddy journalistic ethics. ESPECIALLY when Company X has steadily increased its value and market share and is coming to renegotations...and Chicken Little comes out with another round of sky is falling stories, with lousy sourcing.

That's the conflict of interest.

And it kind of clouds the "Chicken Little was right all along" aspect when it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And that`s before getting to the FUNDAMENTAL logical inconsistencies in Dodd's dual stories:
Television industry doesn't have $60M for 73 football games with a PROVEN track record of drawing 45 million viewers. However the AAC should get on board the G5 playoff because the Television industry has $160M for a new idea for 3 football games that insanely optimistic projection (10 times the viewership of similar product) would say 30 million viewers.

(02-17-2017 07:51 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 07:34 AM)Chappy Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 07:24 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I'm saying that IF we only get $200,000 per team in the new AAC ESPN TV deal, it's time to disband the AAC.

Yep.

Agreed, but that G5 auto bid tho...

If the conference is making $200k per member, who gives a flying f*** about the auto bid? A structure like that would only end the auto bid in a few years anyway when the G5 champ can't 'competitively' keep up as the narrative would be.

(02-17-2017 10:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:12 AM)Bull Wrote:  Is there anyone here who thinks that the AAC, currently at 2 million per team, with two recent NY6 victories, and great ratings... would seriously drop to 200k per team???

IT's entirely possible if the ESPN money spigot dries up. (The other networks are/were throwing big money around in order to build ESPN clones and get some of that sweet ESPN subscriber-dollar action. So if ESPN catches the flu, FoxSports1 and CBS-SN and NBC-SN are using sick days too.) There's a reason I was watching the CUSA deal and the Big Ten deals as harbingers of what's going to happen to your TV contract, because that's a hint as to our (Big East) future TV contract. We're not all in the same boat, but we're in the same lake--if it's flooding or if it's drying up, we're all going in the same direction.

Quote:This is either a mistake, or severe political BS designed to make us look devalued prior to a negotiation...

It seems to have been Radio Pundit/Guest Dennis Dodd shooting the breeze, and getting misinterpeted as Journalist-with-the-sources Dodd. The actual quote was message-board-reported as something like "Heck I dunno, $2M for the whole G5? Chuckle. Seriously, we don't know yet."

lets pretend a certain family is well off. father has a great job and gets paid a ton of money. they live very well and have many cars. mainly high end luxury exotic cars. those cars are real head turners when they go out to the fancy restaurants. they also go on many fancy exotic trips. the restaurant bills and cars are extremely expensive. plus the upkeep of the cars are extremely expensive with maintenance. the father also has a ford focus, which he uses to get to work because its extremely reliable, does the job, and is extremely cheap to own.

now, lets say this family falls on hard times. the father gets laid off and has to take a job that pays much less money. clearly they cannot afford their current lifestyle.............what do you all thing they are gonna do?? you think they are gonna have a meeting and say F$%CK........ that damn focus is too expensive......we have to either get rid of it or drop down to a used jalopy from 10 years ago.

obviously not...... or they would be quite stupid. they get more than enough out of that car....... and even dropping that car makes absolutely no dent in the overall budget. common sense would say that they start at the top.

(02-17-2017 10:25 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  All hail, Aresco the Great!

Outside of TV negotiations and the occasional radio interview, really consider what this guy does day to day.

It's a joke.

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You keep pressing that narrative but it's not true

(02-17-2017 11:57 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:25 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  All hail, Aresco the Great!

Outside of TV negotiations and the occasional radio interview, really consider what this guy does day to day.

It's a joke.

Agreed; yet, from listening to Pesik, you'd think he was the next incarnation of Jesus Christ.

I think anyone not named the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12 or ACC is really going to be terribly disappointed when it's time for contract renewal no matter which network signs the contract. Especially those that believe that there will be an increase.

(02-17-2017 11:29 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  That's a funny way to spell "being right last time when the conventional wisdom was wrong." Just saying.

I was really focusing on the conflict of interest.

Chicken Little says "The sky is falling! Business venture X is worthless!"
Chicken Little's business partner and relative goes into negotiations with Company X and says "I read a story by Chicken Little that the sky is falling; here's a lowball offer."
Now that Chicken Little's partner/relative has a lowball offer helping to set the market, a third party takes advantage and makes a similarly low offer which Company X takes.

Company X and shareholders are LEGITIMATELY pissed at Chicken Little's conflict of interest and shoddy journalistic ethics. ESPECIALLY when Company X has steadily increased its value and market share and is coming to renegotations...and Chicken Little comes out with another round of sky is falling stories, with lousy sourcing.

That's the conflict of interest.

And it kind of clouds the "Chicken Little was right all along" aspect when it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And that`s before getting to the FUNDAMENTAL logical inconsistencies in Dodd's dual stories:
Television industry doesn't have $60M for 73 football games with a PROVEN track record of drawing 45 million viewers. However the AAC should get on board the G5 playoff because the Television industry has $160M for a new idea for 3 football games that insanely optimistic projection (10 times the viewership of similar product) would say 30 million viewers.

EXACTLY. If the narrative is the networks are too broke to pay the AAC 60 million, then that same narrative extends to the networks ability to pay $160 million for a G5 playoff.

The reality---the only "declines" in any FBS conference media contract have been directly related to negative changes in conference composition. In conferences where there has been NO change in composition---contact values have only gone up.

Furthermore---ESPNs entire model (regardless of whether the current cable model stabilizes or dies), hinges on ESPN having a virtual monopoly on most sports and being THE FIRST place to look for any sporting event. If that changes, ESPN ceases to become a major brand and becomes no different that CBS-Sports Network.

In short, ESPN cannot let any significant media property slip from their control. Yes, this requirement will probably reduce their profitability as they pay more for content---but NOT retaining virtually all their current content literally threatens their existence as a brand. While the former is bad, the latter is MUCH worse and would effectively be the death of ESPN.

(02-17-2017 11:57 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 10:25 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  All hail, Aresco the Great!

Outside of TV negotiations and the occasional radio interview, really consider what this guy does day to day.

It's a joke.

Other than tenured college professors, best part time job one can get. If you could get it.