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RE: Dennis Dodd on AAC Contract
(02-18-2017 09:01 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 05:41 PM)gostangs Wrote:  Fox isn't going to keep the NBE at that level when it comes up since they aren't worth it - and nobody else is going to bid for them at that level next time. They certainly aren't going to increase that contract to add those schools to it.

You don't get it. 60-90% of a cable channel's revenue is generated from subscriber fees, not advertising revenue. Ratings are somewhat irrelevant. Because of the BE contract, FS1 on Directv, Dish and basic cable in Chicago, Milwaukee, Omaha, Cincinnati, Phily, DC, Indianapolis, Newark, parts of NY and Providence. At $1 per month per subscriber, you are looking at several million dollars per month, easily justifying the the BE contract. You drop the BE, their is very little incentive for the cable networks in those cities to keep FS1. The occasional baseball game has limited value in some of those cities, and almost no value in others. Now, would the contract increase if the BE added UConn or UC? That is a probably a bigger question.

On the other hand, what markets are on ESPN solely because of the AAC? Memphis, maybe. But, I doubt it since Memphis is an SEC town. Greenville? Possibly. Whether the AAC signs with ESPN or not, it doesn't add revenue to ESPN. There is simply no incentive for ESPN to pay $100+ million to a conference that doesn't move the needle as far as subscribers. The AAC is probably more valuable to NBCSN, CBSSN, possibly FS1 (although they have significant distribution now) or some small network like BeInSports. But, BeINSports gets about a .10 per subscriber. Adding 20 million subscribers would only generate $24 million a year in revenue for the network, well short of the amount needed to support a $100 million per year contract.

BTW, ESPN is estimated to earn about $7.2 billion in subscriber fees this year and spend $7.1 billion in rights fees. Next year, rights fees will exceed subscriber revenue. Therefore, ESPN has to cover all its operating expenses with advertising. While ESPN is probably still making money, its costs for production and talent is significant. I can see why Disney appears to be concerned.

this is widey innaccurate

1) the c7 are tiny catholic schools school with little enrollment half with tiny following

you some how believe dropping anyone in the big will have any remote leverage on subscribers is foolish..

the big east deal was based on simply 3 things; brand equity, timing and incentive..fs1 was launching and had ZERO exclusive brands at launch in 3 months (no time)..the aac part of the big east was unstable, they had to offer enough to get the stable parts (c7) to leave the unstable parts and get them and their brand worth (best basketball brand) in 3 months..
they gave us 10mil for the name only...thats 5x te worth of c-usa current deal

that wont be the situation at their next deal, fs1 has 10 years to to plan, they already now have 3 of the 5 major leagues on contract (dont need the big east brand as bad anymore) and the need for a splash wont likely be there
the a10 in the 2000s was an elite bball league and they in total were offered 400k per team before the raids in 2010, now the best a10 were raided by the big east and instantly they are now driving subscribers and deserving of 5mil per????

teams that push subcribers are teams that if you didnt have them theyd be a huge boycott of your product ..none of the big east have a big enough fanbase to scare anyone in the cable industry. the big east was a brand move not about subscribers

2) espn has had 100% of all cable networks for decades, why do they care about subcribers, they already control that...espn cares more about ratings and content and equitable brands
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RE: Dennis Dodd on AAC Contract
(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 10:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Part of the ACC Network was for schools to handle production. Similar in the MAC contract. I think that will be part of the next contract for the AAC. If that happens happens then the AAC might get 4-5 Mill contract but that money will be eaten up with the production costs if schools don't already have this capability. I still think NBC and AAC are a perfect match.

Since NBC Sports has basically 1 main sports channel (they have some Universal sports channel that very few people get), its still hard to beat the exposure of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews, etc...

Also the cross promotion of games on ESPN Networks of upcoming games and highlights gives the AAC a ton of exposure...while almost no one watches non-live sports on NBC Sports.

If you are an AAC Football/Basketball Head Coach...you want more than anything to stick with ESPN Networks...as that's what most of the recruits watch...but AD's might be interested by a few more $$$ from FOX Sports or NBC Sports, even though the exposure won't be nearly as good.

That's the dilemma: stick with ESPN and the exposure we all like or go to open market (Fox; NBC) for more money, but less exposure. After ESPN low balls the AAC, which they will do because they always do that even with the Big 10. So what is the minimum amount of money you would take if you were Aresco before you tried for the open market. Would staying with ESPN for 3 million per school for year for six years work? 3.5 million per school? What's the lowest number?
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RE: Dennis Dodd on AAC Contract
(02-19-2017 10:43 AM)pesik Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 09:01 PM)MU88 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 05:41 PM)gostangs Wrote:  Fox isn't going to keep the NBE at that level when it comes up since they aren't worth it - and nobody else is going to bid for them at that level next time. They certainly aren't going to increase that contract to add those schools to it.

You don't get it. 60-90% of a cable channel's revenue is generated from subscriber fees, not advertising revenue. Ratings are somewhat irrelevant. Because of the BE contract, FS1 on Directv, Dish and basic cable in Chicago, Milwaukee, Omaha, Cincinnati, Phily, DC, Indianapolis, Newark, parts of NY and Providence. At $1 per month per subscriber, you are looking at several million dollars per month, easily justifying the the BE contract. You drop the BE, their is very little incentive for the cable networks in those cities to keep FS1. The occasional baseball game has limited value in some of those cities, and almost no value in others. Now, would the contract increase if the BE added UConn or UC? That is a probably a bigger question.

On the other hand, what markets are on ESPN solely because of the AAC? Memphis, maybe. But, I doubt it since Memphis is an SEC town. Greenville? Possibly. Whether the AAC signs with ESPN or not, it doesn't add revenue to ESPN. There is simply no incentive for ESPN to pay $100+ million to a conference that doesn't move the needle as far as subscribers. The AAC is probably more valuable to NBCSN, CBSSN, possibly FS1 (although they have significant distribution now) or some small network like BeInSports. But, BeINSports gets about a .10 per subscriber. Adding 20 million subscribers would only generate $24 million a year in revenue for the network, well short of the amount needed to support a $100 million per year contract.

BTW, ESPN is estimated to earn about $7.2 billion in subscriber fees this year and spend $7.1 billion in rights fees. Next year, rights fees will exceed subscriber revenue. Therefore, ESPN has to cover all its operating expenses with advertising. While ESPN is probably still making money, its costs for production and talent is significant. I can see why Disney appears to be concerned.

this is widey innaccurate

1) the c7 are tiny catholic schools school with little enrollment half with tiny following

you some how believe dropping anyone in the big will have any remote leverage on subscribers is foolish..

the big east deal was based on simply 3 things; brand equity, timing and incentive..fs1 was launching and had ZERO exclusive brands at launch in 3 months (no time)..the aac part of the big east was unstable, they had to offer enough to get the stable parts (c7) to leave the unstable parts and get them and their brand worth (best basketball brand) in 3 months..
they gave us 10mil for the name only...thats 5x te worth of c-usa current deal

that wont be the situation at their next deal, fs1 has 10 years to to plan, they already now have 3 of the 5 major leagues on contract (dont need the big east brand as bad anymore) and the need for a splash wont likely be there
the a10 in the 2000s was an elite bball league and they in total were offered 400k per team before the raids in 2010, now the best a10 were raided by the big east and instantly they are now driving subscribers and deserving of 5mil per????

teams that push subcribers are teams that if you didnt have them theyd be a huge boycott of your product ..none of the big east have a big enough fanbase to scare anyone in the cable industry. the big east was a brand move not about subscribers

2) espn has had 100% of all cable networks for decades, why do they care about subcribers, they already control that...espn cares more about ratings and content and equitable brands

This is exactly correct. BE contract has a bunch of time left - but it is going to suffer when renewed. It doesn't bring enough anything to the table.
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(02-18-2017 02:00 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 12:12 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The AAC needs to have unequal revenue distribution:
UC, UCONN, UH, and Memphis should get $8mil/ yr each

SMU, Temple, and Navy get $4mil/year each

USF, UCF, get $2mil/yr ea

ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane pay the conference $3mil/yr just to be in it

Problem solved

You are high as a kite. UC hasn't done **** since the rest of us have been in the league. Wtf has Memphis done. Good luck with that. Some of you UC and UCONN posters need to get a grip on yourself and your value.

Look jerk I have a lot of respect for Ucf and I appreciate your ny6 bowl victory, but if you keep at Memphis (this is your 2nd time in as many days) out of nowhere expect it back you effing Douche. If you have a problem with Bc1 leave Memphis out of it. If your ignorant @@$ don't remember I'll refresh your mind though
2-ncaa appearances, and the highest football ranking any school in the AAC has garnered in our brief existence along with participation in some of the highest rated tv games in both money sports 05-nono03-nutkick. But thank you for that one great bowing game along with being completely sh!t in everything else since

So first of all I haven't posted here that often recent because of folks like BC1. Memphis has done better in football since joining the AAC and are actually filling the liberty bowl.

Memphis basketball (which is valuable) hasn't done much since we all made the jump. We had one off year period. Uconn gets a pass because both of their bball teams have been bringing in tourney credits and prestige. Your basketball program will rebound, however it won't dominate like it has in the past. Lastly ucf had one bad year in football period. I didn't say Memphis isn't doing well. I just don't understand what those four programs have done to earn additional dough in that scenario. I could have said that better the first go round, however Memphis, UConn, and Cincy fans have been floating the idea that they have out performed everyone. Simply not true, if we include life before the AAC I still don't see it.
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(02-19-2017 09:54 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 12:12 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The AAC needs to have unequal revenue distribution:
UC, UCONN, UH, and Memphis should get $8mil/ yr each

SMU, Temple, and Navy get $4mil/year each

USF, UCF, get $2mil/yr ea

ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane pay the conference $3mil/yr just to be in it

Problem solved

You are high as a kite. UC hasn't done **** since the rest of us have been in the league. Wtf has Memphis done. Good luck with that. Some of you UC and UCONN posters need to get a grip on yourself and your value.

Uhhh.... Just WON the conference. Not that I am legitimizing BC's obviously sarcastic idea, but yeah.... That's "Wtf" we have "done."

Agreed, so did ucf, twice. My point was what more has Memphis done?
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(02-18-2017 06:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Don't believe this goes to open market and I don't think anyone is leaving. At the end I see us signing an extension with ESPN and CBS for 4.5-5 million deal

For both revenue sports?
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(02-19-2017 03:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 10:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Part of the ACC Network was for schools to handle production. Similar in the MAC contract. I think that will be part of the next contract for the AAC. If that happens happens then the AAC might get 4-5 Mill contract but that money will be eaten up with the production costs if schools don't already have this capability. I still think NBC and AAC are a perfect match.

Since NBC Sports has basically 1 main sports channel (they have some Universal sports channel that very few people get), its still hard to beat the exposure of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews, etc...

Also the cross promotion of games on ESPN Networks of upcoming games and highlights gives the AAC a ton of exposure...while almost no one watches non-live sports on NBC Sports.

If you are an AAC Football/Basketball Head Coach...you want more than anything to stick with ESPN Networks...as that's what most of the recruits watch...but AD's might be interested by a few more $$$ from FOX Sports or NBC Sports, even though the exposure won't be nearly as good.

That's the dilemma: stick with ESPN and the exposure we all like or go to open market (Fox; NBC) for more money, but less exposure. After ESPN low balls the AAC, which they will do because they always do that even with the Big 10. So what is the minimum amount of money you would take if you were Aresco before you tried for the open market. Would staying with ESPN for 3 million per school for year for six years work? 3.5 million per school? What's the lowest number?
Cheers!

It would have to be more than the 5mil that the nbe gets for bball only which I 100% think will be easy to do,,, call me crazy. Anything less would lead to the end of the AAC
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(02-19-2017 05:31 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 03:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 10:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Part of the ACC Network was for schools to handle production. Similar in the MAC contract. I think that will be part of the next contract for the AAC. If that happens happens then the AAC might get 4-5 Mill contract but that money will be eaten up with the production costs if schools don't already have this capability. I still think NBC and AAC are a perfect match.

Since NBC Sports has basically 1 main sports channel (they have some Universal sports channel that very few people get), its still hard to beat the exposure of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews, etc...

Also the cross promotion of games on ESPN Networks of upcoming games and highlights gives the AAC a ton of exposure...while almost no one watches non-live sports on NBC Sports.

If you are an AAC Football/Basketball Head Coach...you want more than anything to stick with ESPN Networks...as that's what most of the recruits watch...but AD's might be interested by a few more $$$ from FOX Sports or NBC Sports, even though the exposure won't be nearly as good.

That's the dilemma: stick with ESPN and the exposure we all like or go to open market (Fox; NBC) for more money, but less exposure. After ESPN low balls the AAC, which they will do because they always do that even with the Big 10. So what is the minimum amount of money you would take if you were Aresco before you tried for the open market. Would staying with ESPN for 3 million per school for year for six years work? 3.5 million per school? What's the lowest number?
Cheers!

It would have to be more than the 5mil that the nbe gets for bball only which I 100% think will be easy to do,,, call me crazy. Anything less would lead to the end of the AAC

I thought it 3 million that the NBE gets?

Cheers!
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(02-19-2017 06:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 05:31 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 03:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-19-2017 09:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 10:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Part of the ACC Network was for schools to handle production. Similar in the MAC contract. I think that will be part of the next contract for the AAC. If that happens happens then the AAC might get 4-5 Mill contract but that money will be eaten up with the production costs if schools don't already have this capability. I still think NBC and AAC are a perfect match.

Since NBC Sports has basically 1 main sports channel (they have some Universal sports channel that very few people get), its still hard to beat the exposure of ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNews, etc...

Also the cross promotion of games on ESPN Networks of upcoming games and highlights gives the AAC a ton of exposure...while almost no one watches non-live sports on NBC Sports.

If you are an AAC Football/Basketball Head Coach...you want more than anything to stick with ESPN Networks...as that's what most of the recruits watch...but AD's might be interested by a few more $$$ from FOX Sports or NBC Sports, even though the exposure won't be nearly as good.

That's the dilemma: stick with ESPN and the exposure we all like or go to open market (Fox; NBC) for more money, but less exposure. After ESPN low balls the AAC, which they will do because they always do that even with the Big 10. So what is the minimum amount of money you would take if you were Aresco before you tried for the open market. Would staying with ESPN for 3 million per school for year for six years work? 3.5 million per school? What's the lowest number?
Cheers!

It would have to be more than the 5mil that the nbe gets for bball only which I 100% think will be easy to do,,, call me crazy. Anything less would lead to the end of the AAC

I thought it 3 million that the NBE gets?

Cheers!

5 mil a piece I believe.
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Awful Announcing article from 2013

12 year deal, rumored $500M. $500M/12 years = $41.677M/10 schools = $4M per school.
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(02-18-2017 07:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 03:34 PM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 02:00 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  
(02-18-2017 12:12 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  The AAC needs to have unequal revenue distribution:
UC, UCONN, UH, and Memphis should get $8mil/ yr each

SMU, Temple, and Navy get $4mil/year each

USF, UCF, get $2mil/yr ea

ECU, Tulsa, and Tulane pay the conference $3mil/yr just to be in it

Problem solved

You are high as a kite. UC hasn't done **** since the rest of us have been in the league. Wtf has Memphis done. Good luck with that. Some of you UC and UCONN posters need to get a grip on yourself and your value.

Look jerk I have a lot of respect for Ucf and I appreciate your ny6 bowl victory, but if you keep at Memphis (this is your 2nd time in as many days) out of nowhere expect it back you effing Douche. If you have a problem with Bc1 leave Memphis out of it. If your ignorant @@$ don't remember I'll refresh your mind though
2-ncaa appearances, and the highest football ranking any school in the AAC has garnered in our brief existence along with participation in some of the highest rated tv games in both money sports 05-nono03-nutkick. But thank you for that one great bowing game along with being completely sh!t in everything else since



I keep hearing that Memphis had the highest AAC and G5 ranking since the playoff era at #13 (it's even on Wikipedia), but Houston ended the 2015 season ranked #8 and was ranked as high as #6 and #5 in 2016 (week 6); are people talking about the last CFP playoff ranking before the bowls one of these last couple of years?

I've wondered what that meant too. Memphis didn't have the highest ranking of any AAC team since the conference started. Houston has the highest ranking of any AAC school. End of 2015 and beginning of this season.
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Not sure what the exact ranking was (11 or 13 in Oct. 2015), but I believe that Memphis has been the highest ranked G5 team in the CFP poll since the poll began in the 2014 season.
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