(02-15-2017 11:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  http://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/rothstei...expansion/

Shockingly this is true. Rothstein has legit sources. Aresco needs to act on Wichita and someone else. Time is now.

Two questions:

1) Why wasn't UConn involved in the original Big East basketball departure?

2) Wouldn't it make sense for them to go FCS for football, like Villanova? They'd be a decent FCS team.

(02-15-2017 01:46 PM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  I think UC has done well enough to pull off a pretty good Indy schedule. Start with other independents then fill out the schedule with some aac and lower tier p5 teams

BYU
Boise
UMass
Army
UConn (if they were to go indy and not fcs)
Purdue
Illinois
Wake
AAC Team
Kansas
Kentucky
Vandy

A schedule like that could work out. They just wouldn't ever have a shot at the playoff but could still get bowl eligible.

With power conferences increasing the number of games - no independent team not named Notre Dame would be able to get SIX power conference foes scheduled EVERY season though... the second half of the season is usually a brutal draw for BYU and I can't imagine it being any better for UC.

BYU - 3-6 power conference matchups (depending on season)
Army - 2 power conference matchups

Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

(02-15-2017 02:17 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:53 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  While it would be sad to see them go, this gives the AAC a great opportunity to get stronger by destroying the MWC and adding BYU (basketball only) and raiding Colorado State, Boise, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, San Diego St.

East
Temple
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Boise
BYU (FB only)
San Diego State

I wouldn't go way out west. Too large of a conference. I would add two urban metro schools in south. Like a UAB, or a Georgia State.

Memphis, Houston, Cincinnati, UCF, USF shouldn't trust those suburban schools. We have been burned to many times.

I agree. Stop trying to poach the West. Georgia State or Texas State would probably see an immediate impact in joining our conference in football, and they both bring decent media markets.

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

(02-15-2017 02:37 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

Doubt Army would give up that amount of money they are going to get from the renewal of the Army-Navy game to go to the AAC and take a paycut. Unless they are having issues with scheduling they are staying Indy and keeping half of the Army-Navy game for themselves along with their own TV contract.
Air Force could be a possible fb-only add if they are in the same division as Navy.

(02-15-2017 02:41 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:37 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

Doubt Army would give up that amount of money they are going to get from the renewal of the Army-Navy game to go to the AAC and take a paycut. Unless they are having issues with scheduling they are staying Indy and keeping half of the Army-Navy game for themselves along with their own TV contract.
Air Force could be a possible fb-only add if they are in the same division as Navy.

Won't be a paycut once contract renegotiated with additions.

(02-15-2017 02:41 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:37 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

Doubt Army would give up that amount of money they are going to get from the renewal of the Army-Navy game to go to the AAC and take a paycut. Unless they are having issues with scheduling they are staying Indy and keeping half of the Army-Navy game for themselves along with their own TV contract.
Air Force could be a possible fb-only add if they are in the same division as Navy.

I don't know enough about the money situation. Is it so much that it couldn't be negotiated? (i.e. where they don't immediately fall under our tv rights and keep their end of that game?)

(02-15-2017 02:01 PM)chess Wrote:  Idaho
New Mexico State
BYU
Army
Massachusetts
Connecticut

Is it too hard to think about scheduling November football games? That's six schools. The schools can make an arrangement. The "arrangement" can look for bowl contracts to fill.

Idaho is going FCS.

(02-15-2017 01:46 PM)Spinal070508 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:28 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:20 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Can UC come too?

And destroy your football program? It would be a very shortsighted move.

I think UC has done well enough to pull off a pretty good Indy schedule. Start with other independents then fill out the schedule with some aac and lower tier p5 teams


BYU
Boise
UMass
Army
UConn (if they were to go indy and not fcs)
Purdue
Illinois
Wake
AAC Team
Kansas
Kentucky
Vandy


A schedule like that could work out. They just wouldn't ever have a shot at the playoff but could still get bowl eligible.

Now I don't think any of this will actually happen but its entertaining to speculate. But if the next AAC contract isn't a significant increase I could see UC getting antsy like UConn is now.

That is a terrible schedule; good luck getting people to come to those yawn fests.

(02-15-2017 11:53 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  While it would be sad to see them go, this gives the AAC a great opportunity to get stronger by destroying the MWC and adding BYU (basketball only) and raiding Colorado State, Boise, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, San Diego St.

East
Temple
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Boise
BYU (FB only)
San Diego State

My version:

East
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Army (FB only)
Navy (FB only)
Boise
BYU
San Diego State
[/quote]

(02-15-2017 02:48 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:41 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:37 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

Doubt Army would give up that amount of money they are going to get from the renewal of the Army-Navy game to go to the AAC and take a paycut. Unless they are having issues with scheduling they are staying Indy and keeping half of the Army-Navy game for themselves along with their own TV contract.
Air Force could be a possible fb-only add if they are in the same division as Navy.

I don't know enough about the money situation. Is it so much that it couldn't be negotiated? (i.e. where they don't immediately fall under our tv rights and keep their end of that game?)

Some estimates for the renewal of the Army/Navy have it at least $10 million or more. Army will keep $5 million or more to themselves. So the AAC contract will have to reflect that.
Also, if the Army is part of AAC, they will have to move that game to another date as that will be a conference game that will need to be wrapped up on the regular season.

(02-15-2017 03:29 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:48 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:41 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:37 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 02:28 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  Time for Aresco to call Army to fill in for UCONN Football

I think that would be huge. Army-Navy game in conference every year. So...would they both be in the "West"?

Doubt Army would give up that amount of money they are going to get from the renewal of the Army-Navy game to go to the AAC and take a paycut. Unless they are having issues with scheduling they are staying Indy and keeping half of the Army-Navy game for themselves along with their own TV contract.
Air Force could be a possible fb-only add if they are in the same division as Navy.

I don't know enough about the money situation. Is it so much that it couldn't be negotiated? (i.e. where they don't immediately fall under our tv rights and keep their end of that game?)

Some estimates for the renewal of the Army/Navy have it at least $10 million or more. Army will keep $5 million or more to themselves. So the AAC contract will have to reflect that.
Also, if the Army is part of AAC, they will have to move that game to another date as that will be a conference game that will need to be wrapped up on the regular season.

Id put them in opposite divisions and have them never play in the regular season. In other words, Navy and Army would never play conference game against one another. There 8 game conference schedule would always be completed prior to championship Saturday. The army navy game would simply be an out of conference game played on their traditional day. Much of the value of the army navy game lies in this unique time slot. You don't want to mess with that.

I think it's a bad move on UConn's part they spent a lot on their football program. I think we need to add Wichita State or VCU basketball only that will improve the basketball league and UConn will probably stay

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(02-15-2017 02:25 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:05 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  http://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/rothstei...expansion/

Shockingly this is true. Rothstein has legit sources. Aresco needs to act on Wichita and someone else. Time is now.

Two questions:

1) Why wasn't UConn involved in the original Big East basketball departure?

2) Wouldn't it make sense for them to go FCS for football, like Villanova? They'd be a decent FCS team.

UConn was FCS previously. They put a ton of money into the program to compete at the BCS level in the Big East. When that folded, they hoped to join the ACC. Giving up on football now would be difficult.

FBall independence is just too difficult and likely will get worse as more conferences are looking to reduce non-conference games and/or only play P5 schools non-conference.

On the field/court this wouldn't be the worst loss but from a perception and tv contract negotion standpoint, it would be a major blow.

(02-15-2017 11:53 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  While it would be sad to see them go, this gives the AAC a great opportunity to get stronger by destroying the MWC and adding BYU (basketball only) and raiding Colorado State, Boise, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, San Diego St.

East
Temple
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Boise
BYU (FB only)
San Diego State

BYU would not join as a football only member - they would join for Olympic sports only, with a quasi-affiliation for scheduling and bowls. Like Notre Dame and the ACC.

Gonzaga would also leave the WCC if it had a solid place to land.

FOOTBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Navy
WEST: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Tulsa
CENTRAL: Navy, Houston, SMU, Air Force
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

BASKETBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis
SOUTH: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *BYU, *Gonzaga

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, SMU
WEST: Tulsa, New Mexico, Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *Wichita St., *BYU, *Zags

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, *VCU
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Houston, SMU
CENTRAL: Tulsa, Air Force, CSU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, *BYU, *Gonzaga, * St. Mary's

(02-15-2017 04:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:53 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  While it would be sad to see them go, this gives the AAC a great opportunity to get stronger by destroying the MWC and adding BYU (basketball only) and raiding Colorado State, Boise, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, San Diego St.

East
Temple
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Boise
BYU (FB only)
San Diego State

BYU would not join as a football only member - they would join for Olympic sports only, with a quasi-affiliation for scheduling and bowls. Like Notre Dame and the ACC.

Gonzaga would also leave the WCC if it had a solid place to land.

FOOTBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Navy
WEST: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Tulsa
CENTRAL: Navy, Houston, SMU, Air Force
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

BASKETBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis
SOUTH: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *BYU, *Gonzaga

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, SMU
WEST: Tulsa, New Mexico, Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *Wichita St., *BYU, *Zags

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, *VCU
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Houston, SMU
CENTRAL: Tulsa, Air Force, CSU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, *BYU, *Gonzaga, * St. Mary's

No offense but BYU isn't Notre Dame. The AAC would not benefit much from that arrangement at all.

Heck the ACC didn't benefit much from ours last year.

(02-15-2017 04:26 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 04:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 11:53 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  While it would be sad to see them go, this gives the AAC a great opportunity to get stronger by destroying the MWC and adding BYU (basketball only) and raiding Colorado State, Boise, New Mexico, Air Force, UNLV, San Diego St.

East
Temple
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Tulane
Tulsa

West
SMU
Houston
Air Force
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
Boise
BYU (FB only)
San Diego State

BYU would not join as a football only member - they would join for Olympic sports only, with a quasi-affiliation for scheduling and bowls. Like Notre Dame and the ACC.

Gonzaga would also leave the WCC if it had a solid place to land.

FOOTBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Navy
WEST: Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force, Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Tulsa
CENTRAL: Navy, Houston, SMU, Air Force
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, New Mexico

BASKETBALL

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis
SOUTH: Tulane, Tulsa, Houston, SMU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *BYU, *Gonzaga

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Tulane, Houston, SMU
WEST: Tulsa, New Mexico, Boise, SDSU, CSU, Air Force, *Wichita St., *BYU, *Zags

OR

EAST: Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, *VCU
SOUTH: Cincinnati, Memphis Tulane, Houston, SMU
CENTRAL: Tulsa, Air Force, CSU, New Mexico, *Wichita St.
WEST: Boise, SDSU, *BYU, *Gonzaga, * St. Mary's

No offense but BYU isn't Notre Dame. The AAC would not benefit much from that arrangement at all.

Heck the ACC didn't benefit much from ours last year.

BYU has a large national fan base and a very competitive basketball program. It would be a solid add (even as a non-football school).

If it were me, Id go for something less ambitious than the above.

If UConn left, Id add AF, Colorado St, and New Mexico as full members. I'd also add Wichita and BYU as non-football members. That's a solid football conference. The basketball conference loses an elite team---but it adds 4 very good basketball programs that regularly compete for NCAA bids. That would be a very salty basketball conference. The footprint grows significantly. That would be a pretty darn good sports media property that's cuts the pie fewer ways and offers more friendly travel schedules than the big east/west mashup previously suggested. If the smaller version is successful, then--assuming the money is there---you can take the next step to expand to a fully national conference down the road.

This isn't a conference. This is an association that holds a football championship game.

East
Temple
Army (FB Only)
Navy (FB only)
ECU
UCF
USF
Cincinnati
Memphis
Houston
Rice
Tulane

West
Tulsa
SMU
UTEP
New Mexico
Air Force
Colorado State
Boise State
BYU (FB only)
UNLV
Fresno State
San Diego State