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(02-17-2017 11:13 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  If we'd got more for the RTB rights ALL of the buyout could have gone to pay new staff.

We got all we needed out of RTB. Time to move forward.

Quote:Cheap for a system and brand. Very good deal for him.

It is. Kind of surprising it only went for $50k, and Not in Minnesota's name (they didn't want to pay for it apparently?). If I was WMU, the way he left -- granted, KB got Lester who she originally wanted prior to PJ -- I'd say pay for the estimated RTB elimination costs and wasted $ in producing unused/bought RTB products + 20% or $150k, whichever's higher. You took large # of great recruits -- not just a key pick or two -- and were wasting our time wheeling & dealing. Which is in your best interest, and that's 'fine', but this is in our best interest. And you're making good money there, pay us in increments, no interest, etc. Minnesota could easily pick that up if they wanted to.

The buyout amount -- one can't use that as fodder. It'd be there regardless of RTB, WTF, and anything else he or anyone else brought to the table. I can understand and can agree with not Jabbing him and/or Minnesota with a high sticker price. But a real low one? It's not like he left to Minnesota because we couldn't afford a high-paying competitive contract. It's not like Texas or Oregon decided to nab him where we couldn't compete. So sorry pal, no notable low one as a gift to ya, would be my mantra.

(02-15-2017 08:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:17 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU probably had to tip-toe a bit during the RTB transfer negotiation process. Obviously it's known the phrase originated from the death of his son, so WMU wouldn't look too good in the public eye if it even appeared we were trying to play hardball in releasing the slogan.

Interesting, so we now know that having the ability to use the symbolism of his son is worth only 50k to him. I guess there are times you can put a price tag on something you absolutely shouldn't.

You're an idiot and a clown.

Explain how that's inaccurate. It was his personal motto that he chose to brand a public collegiate football program with, and made a conscious decision about its value as it pertains to his professional brand and future, to reacquire it.

(02-17-2017 05:38 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:17 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU probably had to tip-toe a bit during the RTB transfer negotiation process. Obviously it's known the phrase originated from the death of his son, so WMU wouldn't look too good in the public eye if it even appeared we were trying to play hardball in releasing the slogan.

Interesting, so we now know that having the ability to use the symbolism of his son is worth only 50k to him. I guess there are times you can put a price tag on something you absolutely shouldn't.

You're an idiot and a clown.

Explain how that's inaccurate. It was his personal motto that he chose to brand a public collegiate football program with, and made a conscious decision about its value as it pertains to his professional brand and future, to reacquire it.

If he sells it for only 50K, you can make that claim. Otherwise your value proposition is stupid.

Quote:Interesting, so we now know that having the ability to use the symbolism of his son is worth only 50k to him.

The copyrighted "Row the Boat" is not his son. He can still use it in speeches, tout it, tell the bullet points about it, etc. all he wants, and has. It's to put the phrase on Minnesota football apparel, banners, etc. The concept was inspired by the passing of his son, and realizing the virtue in "rowing the boat thru rough waters", etc. 50k? For him PERSONALLY to get the copyright (not Minn), I can understand him not wanting to pay much more than that... WMU gave in. It's not like WMU was saying "Okay, $50k," and he says "No! I'll pay $75k!" He's obviously going to negotiate to get the least price. WMU wasn't holding his son hostage -- not even indirectly -- by any stretch, is my point.

(02-17-2017 05:38 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:56 PM)7 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:17 PM)ElFanatico Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:30 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  WMU probably had to tip-toe a bit during the RTB transfer negotiation process. Obviously it's known the phrase originated from the death of his son, so WMU wouldn't look too good in the public eye if it even appeared we were trying to play hardball in releasing the slogan.

Interesting, so we now know that having the ability to use the symbolism of his son is worth only 50k to him. I guess there are times you can put a price tag on something you absolutely shouldn't.

You're an idiot and a clown.

Explain how that's inaccurate. It was his personal motto that he chose to brand a public collegiate football program with, and made a conscious decision about its value as it pertains to his professional brand and future, to reacquire it.

So he should just pay out his ass for something because it means a lot to him? How does that make remotely any sense?

Fleck was a tremendous asset and coach to WMU. To criticize anything involving his dead infant child is completely out of bounds and makes you look like a ******* idiot and scumbag. Pretty simple.

(02-18-2017 04:44 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:Interesting, so we now know that having the ability to use the symbolism of his son is worth only 50k to him.

The copyrighted "Row the Boat" is not his son. He can still use it in speeches, tout it, tell the bullet points about it, etc. all he wants, and has. It's to put the phrase on Minnesota football apparel, banners, etc. The concept was inspired by the passing of his son, and realizing the virtue in "rowing the boat thru rough waters", etc. 50k? For him PERSONALLY to get the copyright (not Minn), I can understand him not wanting to pay much more than that... WMU gave in. It's not like WMU was saying "Okay, $50k," and he says "No! I'll pay $75k!" He's obviously going to negotiate to get the least price. WMU wasn't holding his son hostage -- not even indirectly -- by any stretch, is my point.

This too, although I think WMU did the right thing by not holding it hostage. Would have been understandable, but still not a great look.