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Quote:“Remember, I have to play so many home games in the Forum per the agreement that was signed 13 years ago,” he said. “So the issue we run into is a lot of teams that want to play us want to play home-and-home. And we can’t really do that. So we do buy games, we buy opponents to come in and play. So that makes it hard. We can’t get really high level opponents. We’re on it. Mark (Alnutt) and I think we’ll have a much better non-conference next year and we think by 2019-2020 we’ll have a real opportunity to look at that and change that. And then, when the 2021 year comes around, we’ll ask to have a relief from the 18 (required home games) and maybe go to 16 games and see if we can get some more.”
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(02-14-2017 05:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  From the CA:

Quote:“Remember, I have to play so many home games in the Forum per the agreement that was signed 13 years ago,” he said. “So the issue we run into is a lot of teams that want to play us want to play home-and-home. And we can’t really do that. So we do buy games, we buy opponents to come in and play. So that makes it hard. We can’t get really high level opponents. We’re on it. Mark (Alnutt) and I think we’ll have a much better non-conference next year and we think by 2019-2020 we’ll have a real opportunity to look at that and change that. And then, when the 2021 year comes around, we’ll ask to have a relief from the 18 (required home games) and maybe go to 16 games and see if we can get some more.”

I'm sure that could be renegotiated as all parties involved would benefit financially by have one sellout game as opposed to 3 4K games.
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So at least 3 more years of junk. That stinks.
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Well when the contract was signed we were on the uptick. Now that attendance is a bit down, it sucks

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You can thank josh ******* pastner for that
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(02-14-2017 11:29 PM)Bathtub Gin Wrote:  You can thank josh ******* pastner for that

Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.
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(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 05:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  From the CA:

Quote:“Remember, I have to play so many home games in the Forum per the agreement that was signed 13 years ago,” he said. “So the issue we run into is a lot of teams that want to play us want to play home-and-home. And we can’t really do that. So we do buy games, we buy opponents to come in and play. So that makes it hard. We can’t get really high level opponents. We’re on it. Mark (Alnutt) and I think we’ll have a much better non-conference next year and we think by 2019-2020 we’ll have a real opportunity to look at that and change that. And then, when the 2021 year comes around, we’ll ask to have a relief from the 18 (required home games) and maybe go to 16 games and see if we can get some more.”

I'm sure that could be renegotiated as all parties involved would benefit financially by have one sellout game as opposed to 3 4K games.

^^^THIS^^^ I would think that the Grizz would be very open to getting more fans per game for Tiger games. It cost them quite a bit of money to open the FEF for the Tigers. If they can open it two fewer times, but have the game total number of fans, then it is a WIN for them, too. As you said, EVERYTHING is open to renegotiation. If both sides can benefit. Seems like a no-brained.
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(02-15-2017 02:39 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 06:17 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-14-2017 05:25 PM)fsquid Wrote:  From the CA:

Quote:“Remember, I have to play so many home games in the Forum per the agreement that was signed 13 years ago,” he said. “So the issue we run into is a lot of teams that want to play us want to play home-and-home. And we can’t really do that. So we do buy games, we buy opponents to come in and play. So that makes it hard. We can’t get really high level opponents. We’re on it. Mark (Alnutt) and I think we’ll have a much better non-conference next year and we think by 2019-2020 we’ll have a real opportunity to look at that and change that. And then, when the 2021 year comes around, we’ll ask to have a relief from the 18 (required home games) and maybe go to 16 games and see if we can get some more.”

I'm sure that could be renegotiated as all parties involved would benefit financially by have one sellout game as opposed to 3 4K games.

^^^THIS^^^ I would think that the Grizz would be very open to getting more fans per game for Tiger games. It cost them quite a bit of money to open the FEF for the Tigers. If they can open it two fewer times, but have the game total number of fans, then it is a WIN for them, too. As you said, EVERYTHING is open to renegotiation. If both sides can benefit. Seems like a no-brained.

It would also free up a potential valuable date/night for the Forum (i.e. might open up a Saturday Night in Nov/Dec that a touring act needed (i.e. plays in Nashville day before or after so that is the only date option for their tour), so it could also be another money maker for all parties (i.e. Griz, City, Hotels, Restaurants, etc...) if it can add another valuable even too. (On top of a much more attractive home opponent or two for the Tigers).
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I'm still unsure how the 9 game requirement limits Memphis' ability to get good h/h's?

We have four this year (OM/OU/UCSe/UAB)--it's not really a question of the ability to get some home and homes, it's getting GOOD home and homes.

No one seems to care about UAB as a h/h. That should be a buy game for Memphis, or at least a 2 for 1.

I think the OM game in BB has run its course.

USCe was intriguing but nothing that would cause folks to circle their calendar.

I think any of the good Big East teams would do a h/h and maybe find a big name school where a local Memphis kid plays (like Vick @ KU or Black at UofI).
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All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.
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(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....
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(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.
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(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Please elaborate. I rarely defend RC, but I had no problem with dumbing down the OOC FB schedule in an attempt to win 9 or 10 games. The problem is that Tommy quit recruiting and we got killed by ASU. I doubt it will happen with SIU, GSU or ULM this year.
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(02-15-2017 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Please elaborate. I rarely defend RC, but I had no problem with dumbing down the OOC FB schedule in an attempt to win 9 or 10 games. The problem is that Tommy quit recruiting and we got killed by ASU. I doubt it will happen with SIU, GSU or ULM this year.

My main point was more this - doing things for the lowest common denominator and easiest results can often do the reverse for your program than what you were hoping. Going on the cheapest may not be the best course.

Tennessee has what - 11 losses right now - and they are STILL a bubble team because their non conference was really tough, so there SOS is really good and so is their RPI, etc.

IMO
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(02-15-2017 11:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Please elaborate. I rarely defend RC, but I had no problem with dumbing down the OOC FB schedule in an attempt to win 9 or 10 games. The problem is that Tommy quit recruiting and we got killed by ASU. I doubt it will happen with SIU, GSU or ULM this year.

My main point was more this - doing things for the lowest common denominator and easiest results can often do the reverse for your program than what you were hoping. Going on the cheapest may not be the best course.

Tennessee has what - 11 losses right now - and they are STILL a bubble team because their non conference was really tough, so there SOS is really good and so is their RPI, etc.

IMO

I don't disagree, but if it were that easy everyone would have it figured out. Monmouth is the kind of RPI boosting opponent you are talking about and you see what happened with them.
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(02-15-2017 11:39 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Please elaborate. I rarely defend RC, but I had no problem with dumbing down the OOC FB schedule in an attempt to win 9 or 10 games. The problem is that Tommy quit recruiting and we got killed by ASU. I doubt it will happen with SIU, GSU or ULM this year.

My main point was more this - doing things for the lowest common denominator and easiest results can often do the reverse for your program than what you were hoping. Going on the cheapest may not be the best course.

Tennessee has what - 11 losses right now - and they are STILL a bubble team because their non conference was really tough, so there SOS is really good and so is their RPI, etc.

IMO

I don't disagree, but if it were that easy everyone would have it figured out. Monmouth is the kind of RPI boosting opponent you are talking about and you see what happened with them.

I'm not saying it's that easy.

I'm saying they seem to take the very simplest course and then shrug their shoulders.

His quotes aren't very inspiring - more along the "oh well, what can you do".
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(02-15-2017 11:39 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:34 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:55 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:53 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  I wonder how much the amount of the "buy" comes into play ... Does Incarnate Word come for $100k + expenses, while a ETSU comes for $250k ??? Just using the numbers for illustrative purposes .... It would depend on your total "buy" $$ budget as to how you break it down between which teams and average it against the per game revenue $$ ....

I don't disagree overall with the thought, but what I will say is that kind of thinking gets you in the same kind of long term downward spiral trouble as did the RC thinking to schedule MTSU and AST in football for easy wins.

Please elaborate. I rarely defend RC, but I had no problem with dumbing down the OOC FB schedule in an attempt to win 9 or 10 games. The problem is that Tommy quit recruiting and we got killed by ASU. I doubt it will happen with SIU, GSU or ULM this year.

My main point was more this - doing things for the lowest common denominator and easiest results can often do the reverse for your program than what you were hoping. Going on the cheapest may not be the best course.

Tennessee has what - 11 losses right now - and they are STILL a bubble team because their non conference was really tough, so there SOS is really good and so is their RPI, etc.

IMO

I don't disagree, but if it were that easy everyone would have it figured out. Monmouth is the kind of RPI boosting opponent you are talking about and you see what happened with them.

Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?
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(02-15-2017 11:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?

LOL - Tubby gone to the Opie school of timeouts to stop a run?
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(02-15-2017 12:02 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:59 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Looked back at that game.

Memphis up by 10 at the half 45-35.

With 11:53 to go, Memphis was up 64-55.

In the next three minutes, Monmouth goes on a 13-3 run to take then lead.

Care to guess how many t.o. Memphis used?

LOL - Tubby gone to the Opie school of timeouts to stop a run?

Well, the good thing is at the end of the game he still had one left.

Do they carry over to the next game?
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