(02-16-2017 02:04 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

But we're back to the "move the needle" argument. We would have to do the breakeven analysis on a UALR to see how many more fans would need to come, to justify an increased payout. We don't have enough info to judge either way.

Example: If it's an extra $100k for UALR over UTRGV, then are you going to sell the couple of thousand extra tix to make up for the difference?

Personally, I don't think the buy games are going to drive attendance - although they could certainly improve the SOS. Attendance is going to be driven by marquis games and more frequent winning.

I'm sure they are doing the analysis. The problem is, they've experienced such a downward spiral over the last 2 years, that all their models are having to be recalibrated. Hopefully we're at the bottom of the trough and they can start to make good decisions based on the new reality. One would be to figure out how to expedite a new contract with the FEF.

EDIT: I will agree that if the payout is the same for UALR or ETSU vs UTRGV or IW, then go with teams we've heard of and/or are within driving distance.

I got you, just think there are so many variables at play and the cheapest options are part of what put the program where it is.

Put a team on the floor that is likely NCAA.

Incrementally improve the schedule.

Hype preseason.

Probably get better attendance.

As long as you don't lose to Monmouth, Murray, SFA, UALR, etc.

Back to Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama:

You can't possibly believe those schools mentioned above expect Home and Home series in BB with us. Ludicrous as anyone with CBB knowledge would know

(02-16-2017 01:55 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Then don't lose to good teams.

Step 1: Quit losing to bad teams first.

Exactly...If our only loss was to SMU then we wouldn't be talking about attendance issues.

(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

IMO, playing more of the good teams will make the Tigers a better team.

(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Got to disagree. I'll bet everything I own that a home game against Gonzaga this year would have outdrawn any OOC home game we've had this year & with little prospect of winning.

The Blue Raiders would love to start that series.

(02-16-2017 07:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Got to disagree. I'll bet everything I own that a home game against Gonzaga this year would have outdrawn any OOC home game we've had this year & with little prospect of winning.

If people felt like we were going to get hammered we may get a few more people but nowhere near a sellout.

Winning cures all ills

You can't get big wins without big games.

If the AD cannot sell the recruiting cherry of bringing your team to an NBA arena then he's in the wrong line of work. We are not a not a normal road destination. If you can't sell FedEx Forum you need to delegate the scheduling.

(02-16-2017 07:59 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 07:25 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Got to disagree. I'll bet everything I own that a home game against Gonzaga this year would have outdrawn any OOC home game we've had this year & with little prospect of winning.

If people felt like we were going to get hammered we may get a few more people but nowhere near a sellout.

Winning cures all ills

You are very negative also. Forgot to put that in. Anyone's idea but your own is no good.

(02-18-2017 09:04 PM)Claw Wrote:  You can't get big wins without big games.

If the AD cannot sell the recruiting cherry of bringing your team to an NBA arena then he's in the wrong line of work. We are not a not a normal road destination. If you can't sell FedEx Forum you need to delegate the scheduling.

Probably not quite that simple. Playing in an NBA arena is somewhat down the list of priorities when scheduling away games.

(02-18-2017 11:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:04 PM)Claw Wrote:  You can't get big wins without big games.

If the AD cannot sell the recruiting cherry of bringing your team to an NBA arena then he's in the wrong line of work. We are not a not a normal road destination. If you can't sell FedEx Forum you need to delegate the scheduling.

Probably not quite that simple. Playing in an NBA arena is somewhat down the list of priorities when scheduling away games.

If it coincides with Grizzlies games, scouts being there is a plus; and yes more scouts would be at the Forum if we played Georgia at home than if we played them in Athens. Flight connections. Accommodations. Etc.

(02-18-2017 11:48 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 11:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:04 PM)Claw Wrote:  You can't get big wins without big games.

If the AD cannot sell the recruiting cherry of bringing your team to an NBA arena then he's in the wrong line of work. We are not a not a normal road destination. If you can't sell FedEx Forum you need to delegate the scheduling.

Probably not quite that simple. Playing in an NBA arena is somewhat down the list of priorities when scheduling away games.

If it coincides with Grizzlies games, scouts being there is a plus; and yes more scouts would be at the Forum if we played Georgia at home than if we played them in Athens. Flight connections. Accommodations. Etc.

My train of thought is the ETSU or other smaller school. If you can tell your recruit Memphis is on the schedule and promise them they will play in an NBA arena, that is pretty big deal for a lower Div 1 athlete.

(02-19-2017 12:08 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 11:48 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 11:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 09:04 PM)Claw Wrote:  You can't get big wins without big games.

If the AD cannot sell the recruiting cherry of bringing your team to an NBA arena then he's in the wrong line of work. We are not a not a normal road destination. If you can't sell FedEx Forum you need to delegate the scheduling.

Probably not quite that simple. Playing in an NBA arena is somewhat down the list of priorities when scheduling away games.

If it coincides with Grizzlies games, scouts being there is a plus; and yes more scouts would be at the Forum if we played Georgia at home than if we played them in Athens. Flight connections. Accommodations. Etc.

My train of thought is the ETSU or other smaller school. If you can tell your recruit Memphis is on the schedule and promise them they will play in an NBA arena, that is pretty big deal for a lower Div 1 athlete.

ETSU will not draw anymore than Monmouth.

I saw a graphic during a recent game stating we played 10 schools with a RPI of 200+. Ouch. That's embarrassing.

(02-19-2017 06:07 AM)TallTiger Wrote:  I saw a graphic during a recent game stating we played 10 schools with a RPI of 200+. Ouch. That's embarrassing.

And that is exactly why I laugh when people say it's amazing Memphis' record is a good as it is.

Hell, when you have 12 or 13 tomato cans lined up so far, 18 wins is hardly some amazing feat.

(02-19-2017 08:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 06:07 AM)TallTiger Wrote:  I saw a graphic during a recent game stating we played 10 schools with a RPI of 200+. Ouch. That's embarrassing.

And that is exactly why I laugh when people say it's amazing Memphis' record is a good as it is.

Hell, when you have 12 or 13 tomato cans lined up so far, 18 wins is hardly some amazing feat.

Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, UAB, and 8 conference wins.
That is not 'amazing'. But, it is not too shabby for a team with ZERO DEPTH.

(02-19-2017 09:11 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 08:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 06:07 AM)TallTiger Wrote:  I saw a graphic during a recent game stating we played 10 schools with a RPI of 200+. Ouch. That's embarrassing.

And that is exactly why I laugh when people say it's amazing Memphis' record is a good as it is.

Hell, when you have 12 or 13 tomato cans lined up so far, 18 wins is hardly some amazing feat.

Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, UAB, and 8 conference wins.
That is not 'amazing'. But, it is not too shabby for a team with ZERO DEPTH.

Name dropper. each of those teams are either middle of pack or worst (OU last in Big 12), except for SC. And their top player was out when we played them. So nothing there to be excited over.

6 of the 8 conference wins are against teams below us in standings. and 3 of our 6 conference losses have come to teams below us in standings.

QUIT LOOKING AT NAMES ON FRONT OF UNIFORM AND ACTUALLY EXAMINE THE TEAMS.

(02-19-2017 05:25 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 09:11 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 08:57 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 06:07 AM)TallTiger Wrote:  I saw a graphic during a recent game stating we played 10 schools with a RPI of 200+. Ouch. That's embarrassing.

And that is exactly why I laugh when people say it's amazing Memphis' record is a good as it is.

Hell, when you have 12 or 13 tomato cans lined up so far, 18 wins is hardly some amazing feat.

Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, UAB, and 8 conference wins.
That is not 'amazing'. But, it is not too shabby for a team with ZERO DEPTH.

Name dropper. each of those teams are either middle of pack or worst (OU last in Big 12), except for SC. And their top player was out when we played them. So nothing there to be excited over.

6 of the 8 conference wins are against teams below us in standings. and 3 of our 6 conference losses have come to teams below us in standings.

QUIT LOOKING AT NAMES ON FRONT OF UNIFORM AND ACTUALLY EXAMINE THE TEAMS.

That's usually how it works! ?