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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
This issue is HUGE!

A Terrible nonconference schedule leads to low RPI and strength of schedule.
That leads to no chance at an NCAA tournament at large bid, which fuels fan apathy, which leads to poor home game attendance and lower donations! This dumb*** has got us in a vicious cycle.
Oh, no money to pay for promotions or pay for budget to buy better home games leads to lower revenue generated.
A true leader would FIX the GD problem and NOT make excuses in the paper claiming 3 more years of terrible schedules!
Throw the Bum out! If he can't fix it, someone else can!
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-15-2017 09:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:12 PM)wylioats Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:26 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:26 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  Hog wash. Did we blame Johny Jones when Cal came in? nope. Cal recruited fans like he did players. NEVER turned down a PR gig until he filled FedExForum up with season tickets. Say what you want to about him, but one of the most driven men I've seen.

True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

If you think that, you are ignorant.

If you think that he didn't, you're the ignorant one. Guess all those empty seats the past 3 years was because Josh was doing such a great job. As a coach he was a joke (heard that from some not to long ago former players) , glad he's the hell out of here.

I thought he was saying that Cal "drove this program straight into the dumpster"
Based on the wording, it appears he is.

If I said that Cal drove this program I the ground I would be ignorant.

I thought you had me on ignore. I guess you read my post between logins.
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-15-2017 10:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

This why we should play a tough OOC schedule. We agree, it won't affect the bowl we play UNLESS we win - then it's the OOC schedule that will give us the edge to get NY6 bowl consideration. But, the big difference is we will get a much larger gate revenue - and we get national recognition. Just ask Bobby Bowden & FSU how that approach led to their move from being a Memphis peer to being one of the best FB programs in the country. And as we both have said, BB OOC schedule is a joke, an anchor that keeps us from ever receiving serious consideration by the NCAA tourney committee unless we win the conference - and even then we'd be looking at a 4-6 seed without a better OOC schedule.

And my response to Bowen & the admin is, negotiate a better deal with FedEx Forum - in long term build your own OC facilities - then the university controls all aspects of its athletic programs & really grows a loyal program fan base.
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(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

Yep!
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(02-16-2017 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

This why we should play a tough OOC schedule. We agree, it won't affect the bowl we play UNLESS we win - then it's the OOC schedule that will give us the edge to get NY6 bowl consideration. But, the big difference is we will get a much larger gate revenue - and we get national recognition. Just ask Bobby Bowden & FSU how that approach led to their move from being a Memphis peer to being one of the best FB programs in the country. And as we both have said, BB OOC schedule is a joke, an anchor that keeps us from ever receiving serious consideration by the NCAA tourney committee unless we win the conference - and even then we'd be looking at a 4-6 seed without a better OOC schedule.

And my response to Bowen & the admin is, negotiate a better deal with FedEx Forum - in long term build your own OC facilities - then the university controls all aspects of its athletic programs & really grows a loyal program fan base.


I've been preaching that for years. Break away from the city political machine, they also have to keep the SHC and the Liberty Bowl happy. It's time and long over due that the University start taking care of what's best for the University. When's the last time we had a home football game the 2nd week in September (SHC)? When's the last time we had a 7:00 basketball game on a Saturday night (Grizz come first)? When's the last time the University received any, or at all, revenue from concessions and parking? Revisit the Heery report, that is if SR didn't throw it away.
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(02-16-2017 12:46 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 09:01 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:12 PM)wylioats Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:34 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:26 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  True. He drove this program straight into the dumpster.

If you think that, you are ignorant.

If you think that he didn't, you're the ignorant one. Guess all those empty seats the past 3 years was because Josh was doing such a great job. As a coach he was a joke (heard that from some not to long ago former players) , glad he's the hell out of here.

I thought he was saying that Cal "drove this program straight into the dumpster"
Based on the wording, it appears he is.

If I said that Cal drove this program I the ground I would be ignorant.

I thought you had me on ignore. I guess you read my post between logins.

When I enter this website, I'm never logged in. Thus, I see posts. I don't want to read your BS believe me.
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-16-2017 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

This why we should play a tough OOC schedule. We agree, it won't affect the bowl we play UNLESS we win - then it's the OOC schedule that will give us the edge to get NY6 bowl consideration. But, the big difference is we will get a much larger gate revenue - and we get national recognition. Just ask Bobby Bowden & FSU how that approach led to their move from being a Memphis peer to being one of the best FB programs in the country. And as we both have said, BB OOC schedule is a joke, an anchor that keeps us from ever receiving serious consideration by the NCAA tourney committee unless we win the conference - and even then we'd be looking at a 4-6 seed without a better OOC schedule.

And my response to Bowen & the admin is, negotiate a better deal with FedEx Forum - in long term build your own OC facilities - then the university controls all aspects of its athletic programs & really grows a loyal program fan base.

I think we agree more than we disagree on this - basketball, attendance, etc. The sticking point is the OOC for football absolutely matters for attendance - but it doesn't matter for postseason. If we run the table through the CCG, we are the leading contender for the Access slot. We will be that because our conference schedule will outweigh anything the MAC or MWC or CUSA can put up. The trick is, we have to finish with probably only 1 loss. Because the weaker conferences are going to put up someone with no more than 1 loss most years. Our SOS will come from the conference - not non-con. In fact, we need to run the table so the tough OOC schedule actually makes it harder. Our 12-1 will get in before any of the other 12-1.

If we can manage one P5 opponent at home each year, I'm good with that. That, along with scheduling 7 home games, is what Bowen is trying to manage. Some years that means we have a P5 at home and another on the road. Sometimes that means we have only one P5 on the schedule.
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(02-15-2017 11:36 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  This issue is HUGE!

A Terrible nonconference schedule leads to low RPI and strength of schedule.
That leads to no chance at an NCAA tournament at large bid, which fuels fan apathy, which leads to poor home game attendance and lower donations! This dumb*** has got us in a vicious cycle.
Oh, no money to pay for promotions or pay for budget to buy better home games leads to lower revenue generated.
A true leader would FIX the GD problem and NOT make excuses in the paper claiming 3 more years of terrible schedules!
Throw the Bum out! If he can't fix it, someone else can!

Hey Shiloh! You're from my part of the woods. Do you still live there? Have you tried the BBQ joint on 142?
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-16-2017 10:55 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:36 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  This issue is HUGE!

A Terrible nonconference schedule leads to low RPI and strength of schedule.
That leads to no chance at an NCAA tournament at large bid, which fuels fan apathy, which leads to poor home game attendance and lower donations! This dumb*** has got us in a vicious cycle.
Oh, no money to pay for promotions or pay for budget to buy better home games leads to lower revenue generated.
A true leader would FIX the GD problem and NOT make excuses in the paper claiming 3 more years of terrible schedules!
Throw the Bum out! If he can't fix it, someone else can!

Hey Shiloh! You're from my part of the woods. Do you still live there? Have you tried the BBQ joint on 142?
I've driven past it but haven't tried it. I live near Pensacola now but was just up there for the holidays. Is the BBQ joint any good?
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(02-16-2017 10:42 AM)wylioats Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

This why we should play a tough OOC schedule. We agree, it won't affect the bowl we play UNLESS we win - then it's the OOC schedule that will give us the edge to get NY6 bowl consideration. But, the big difference is we will get a much larger gate revenue - and we get national recognition. Just ask Bobby Bowden & FSU how that approach led to their move from being a Memphis peer to being one of the best FB programs in the country. And as we both have said, BB OOC schedule is a joke, an anchor that keeps us from ever receiving serious consideration by the NCAA tourney committee unless we win the conference - and even then we'd be looking at a 4-6 seed without a better OOC schedule.

And my response to Bowen & the admin is, negotiate a better deal with FedEx Forum - in long term build your own OC facilities - then the university controls all aspects of its athletic programs & really grows a loyal program fan base.


I've been preaching that for years. Break away from the city political machine, they also have to keep the SHC and the Liberty Bowl happy. It's time and long over due that the University start taking care of what's best for the University. When's the last time we had a home football game the 2nd week in September (SHC)? When's the last time we had a 7:00 basketball game on a Saturday night (Grizz come first)? When's the last time the University received any, or at all, revenue from concessions and parking? Revisit the Heery report, that is if SR didn't throw it away.

We have more sway in politics now than ever in this city.

Cohen, Kustoff, Hedgepeth, Strickland. all are Alumni.

But I agree. We need our own facilities. But we have friends in good places. I think we are playing the game as good as we ever have.
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(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.
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(02-16-2017 12:17 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:42 AM)wylioats Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 08:40 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:08 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 06:56 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I've heard all the logic, year after year, FB & BB. But bottom line, in both sports, we should be playing the best schedule we can play - every year. This is how FSU grew their program in FB - and it has also benefited BB. Schools like Butler, Xavier & Creighton have been greatly benefited because before they rec'd their BE invites, they played a tough schedule & had success. Of course the obvious condition is that Memphis has to be competitive & have success. But with the watered-down schedule approach, we can win 8-10 games in FB and get virtually no recognition. In BB we can win 20-22 and not even receive serious bubble consideration. It is just not the best way to move up, it hurts recruiting & cupcake wins don't fool even the most ardent Tiger supporters - proven because they don't attend such games.

I think in football we're fine. We win the conference, we get the best bowl available to us. Doesn't matter if we win 8 or 10, or who the opponent is, our bowl won't change. Now if we win 10-12 games, we have a good shot at the Access Bowl as the top G5 conference. That's best case scenario. We could load up the OOC and we're still not getting in the playoffs.

Basketball - yeah, we need to do something different. Like next year.

This why we should play a tough OOC schedule. We agree, it won't affect the bowl we play UNLESS we win - then it's the OOC schedule that will give us the edge to get NY6 bowl consideration. But, the big difference is we will get a much larger gate revenue - and we get national recognition. Just ask Bobby Bowden & FSU how that approach led to their move from being a Memphis peer to being one of the best FB programs in the country. And as we both have said, BB OOC schedule is a joke, an anchor that keeps us from ever receiving serious consideration by the NCAA tourney committee unless we win the conference - and even then we'd be looking at a 4-6 seed without a better OOC schedule.

And my response to Bowen & the admin is, negotiate a better deal with FedEx Forum - in long term build your own OC facilities - then the university controls all aspects of its athletic programs & really grows a loyal program fan base.


I've been preaching that for years. Break away from the city political machine, they also have to keep the SHC and the Liberty Bowl happy. It's time and long over due that the University start taking care of what's best for the University. When's the last time we had a home football game the 2nd week in September (SHC)? When's the last time we had a 7:00 basketball game on a Saturday night (Grizz come first)? When's the last time the University received any, or at all, revenue from concessions and parking? Revisit the Heery report, that is if SR didn't throw it away.

We have more sway in politics now than ever in this city.

Cohen, Kustoff, Hedgepeth, Strickland. all are Alumni.

But I agree. We need our own facilities. But we have friends in good places. I think we are playing the game as good as we ever have.
I wouldn't give you a dime for a couple of those individuals listed above!!
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(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.
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(02-16-2017 11:54 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 10:55 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 11:36 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  This issue is HUGE!

A Terrible nonconference schedule leads to low RPI and strength of schedule.
That leads to no chance at an NCAA tournament at large bid, which fuels fan apathy, which leads to poor home game attendance and lower donations! This dumb*** has got us in a vicious cycle.
Oh, no money to pay for promotions or pay for budget to buy better home games leads to lower revenue generated.
A true leader would FIX the GD problem and NOT make excuses in the paper claiming 3 more years of terrible schedules!
Throw the Bum out! If he can't fix it, someone else can!

Hey Shiloh! You're from my part of the woods. Do you still live there? Have you tried the BBQ joint on 142?
I've driven past it but haven't tried it. I live near Pensacola now but was just up there for the holidays. Is the BBQ joint any good?

Not bad for the area. But not Memphis quality. I am friends with the owner though, so don't tell him what I said. The one on 64 in Adamsville is better.
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(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

You can't possibly believe those schools mentioned above expect Home and Home series in BB with us. Ludicrous as anyone with CBB knowledge would know.
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(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.
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(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Then don't lose to good teams.
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

But we're back to the "move the needle" argument. We would have to do the breakeven analysis on a UALR to see how many more fans would need to come, to justify an increased payout. We don't have enough info to judge either way.

Example: If it's an extra $100k for UALR over UTRGV, then are you going to sell the couple of thousand extra tix to make up for the difference?

Personally, I don't think the buy games are going to drive attendance - although they could certainly improve the SOS. Attendance is going to be driven by marquis games and more frequent winning.

I'm sure they are doing the analysis. The problem is, they've experienced such a downward spiral over the last 2 years, that all their models are having to be recalibrated. Hopefully we're at the bottom of the trough and they can start to make good decisions based on the new reality. One would be to figure out how to expedite a new contract with the FEF.

EDIT: I will agree that if the payout is the same for UALR or ETSU vs UTRGV or IW, then go with teams we've heard of and/or are within driving distance.
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-16-2017 01:54 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

I hate to tell you but Losing to good teams wont draw bigger crowds than winning against bad teams.

Then don't lose to good teams.

Step 1: Quit losing to bad teams first.
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RE: Bowen on non-conference bball schedule
(02-16-2017 01:55 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 01:15 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  
(02-16-2017 12:21 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 10:33 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  All I read was blah blah blah.

People have thrown out all sorts of scenarios and ideas and all we hear is that his hands are tied.

I got an idea, have a buy game with UALR or ETSU instead of fricking Incarnate Word.

Everyone understands the scheduling issues - you don't have to "buy" the worst of the absolute worst.

I'd rather see Tennessee State or Florida Atlantic or South Alabama.

At least play teams with a somewhat recognizable "name" as your bottom feeders.

That would be a start.

Those schools want home and homes, or too much money for buy games.

And there is the problem.

If you're going to go cheap, then you probably won't get good crowds.

You play a better schedule, which costs more money, then you sell more tickets and bring in more money.

I understand what you are saying, just saying that's how you drive a business into the ground - they're in a hard spot right now and need to figure a way out.

But we're back to the "move the needle" argument. We would have to do the breakeven analysis on a UALR to see how many more fans would need to come, to justify an increased payout. We don't have enough info to judge either way.

Example: If it's an extra $100k for UALR over UTRGV, then are you going to sell the couple of thousand extra tix to make up for the difference?

Personally, I don't think the buy games are going to drive attendance - although they could certainly improve the SOS. Attendance is going to be driven by marquis games and more frequent winning.

I'm sure they are doing the analysis. The problem is, they've experienced such a downward spiral over the last 2 years, that all their models are having to be recalibrated. Hopefully we're at the bottom of the trough and they can start to make good decisions based on the new reality. One would be to figure out how to expedite a new contract with the FEF.

EDIT: I will agree that if the payout is the same for UALR or ETSU vs UTRGV or IW, then go with teams we've heard of and/or are within driving distance.

I got you, just think there are so many variables at play and the cheapest options are part of what put the program where it is.

Put a team on the floor that is likely NCAA.

Incrementally improve the schedule.

Hype preseason.

Probably get better attendance.

As long as you don't lose to Monmouth, Murray, SFA, UALR, etc.
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