(02-14-2017 06:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 02:25 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:17 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is the we don't do it that way at App leadership from 1990 (or earlier) through 2004.

These "leaders" didn't believe App could be what we are today. From my perspective they knew they didn't have the skills to take us to the next level and thus status quo was good enough.

Saint I actually think it was more sinister than that. Thomas, Borkowski, Sneed and Laney wanted to keep the program small in order to maintain control and power. Once the genie was out of the bottle there was no putting it back in.

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I don't know if they sole intentions was to keep App small, I heard Borkowski hated any kind of collage athletics, and to him it was all about academics, and even though athletics suffered greatly under him, he really improved the academics. As far as Thomas, I was there during his run, and I don't think App improved in any field during his tenure, he seemed very happy just maintaining the status quo, just my opinion.

If you only knew. How many schools prohibit their athletic scholarship club from solliciting anyone who had EVER donated to ANY school, department or organization at the university? While every Yosef Club member was fair game to any school, department or organization within the university. Every football game Sneed packed the Chancellor's Box with prospective donors to his pet projects. None had anything to do with athletics. How many schools across this land will you find athletic events used to raise money for everything except athletics?

I'm thankful for you old school guys. Before my military service, I saw the Furman 2pt conversion fiasco as a student. Before I left for basic training, we beat Michigan. I never was pumping money in or anything else, but I knew there could be some fun games up here. Thanks for living through the bad times and *cheers* to the future good times.

(02-14-2017 07:03 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 06:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 02:25 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:17 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is the we don't do it that way at App leadership from 1990 (or earlier) through 2004.

These "leaders" didn't believe App could be what we are today. From my perspective they knew they didn't have the skills to take us to the next level and thus status quo was good enough.

Saint I actually think it was more sinister than that. Thomas, Borkowski, Sneed and Laney wanted to keep the program small in order to maintain control and power. Once the genie was out of the bottle there was no putting it back in.

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I don't know if they sole intentions was to keep App small, I heard Borkowski hated any kind of collage athletics, and to him it was all about academics, and even though athletics suffered greatly under him, he really improved the academics. As far as Thomas, I was there during his run, and I don't think App improved in any field during his tenure, he seemed very happy just maintaining the status quo, just my opinion.

If you only knew. How many schools prohibit their athletic scholarship club from solliciting anyone who had EVER donated to ANY school, department or organization at the university? While every Yosef Club member was fair game to any school, department or organization within the university. Every football game Sneed packed the Chancellor's Box with prospective donors to his pet projects. None had anything to do with athletics. How many schools across this land will you find athletic events used to raise money for everything except athletics?

I'm thankful for you old school guys. Before my military service, I saw the Furman 2pt conversion fiasco as a student. Before I left for basic training, we beat Michigan. I never was pumping money in or anything else, but I knew there could be some fun games up here. Thanks for living through the bad times and *cheers* to the future good times.

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(02-14-2017 07:03 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 06:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 02:25 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 12:52 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 08:17 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  That is the we don't do it that way at App leadership from 1990 (or earlier) through 2004.

These "leaders" didn't believe App could be what we are today. From my perspective they knew they didn't have the skills to take us to the next level and thus status quo was good enough.

Saint I actually think it was more sinister than that. Thomas, Borkowski, Sneed and Laney wanted to keep the program small in order to maintain control and power. Once the genie was out of the bottle there was no putting it back in.

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I don't know if they sole intentions was to keep App small, I heard Borkowski hated any kind of collage athletics, and to him it was all about academics, and even though athletics suffered greatly under him, he really improved the academics. As far as Thomas, I was there during his run, and I don't think App improved in any field during his tenure, he seemed very happy just maintaining the status quo, just my opinion.

If you only knew. How many schools prohibit their athletic scholarship club from solliciting anyone who had EVER donated to ANY school, department or organization at the university? While every Yosef Club member was fair game to any school, department or organization within the university. Every football game Sneed packed the Chancellor's Box with prospective donors to his pet projects. None had anything to do with athletics. How many schools across this land will you find athletic events used to raise money for everything except athletics?

I'm thankful for you old school guys. Before my military service, I saw the Furman 2pt conversion fiasco as a student. Before I left for basic training, we beat Michigan. I never was pumping money in or anything else, but I knew there could be some fun games up here. Thanks for living through the bad times and *cheers* to the future good times.

Don't be mistaken, Appy had some dang good games and teams despite poor leadership.

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By my own observation, APP did quite well under Coach Brakefield for a time. When he left, they hired the OC from Wake (can't stomach naming him). He took App backwards for 2 or 3 years until they hired one Mack Brown who (although he only stayed for one season) , somewhat changed the expectation level of football in Boone. Sparky took over and carried us further up the ladder until Coach Moore came on board and the rest is history. Satterfield may end up being the best of the bunch when all is said and done.

(02-14-2017 12:11 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:02 AM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 10:50 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 09:48 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Ehh, rumors always get out there before an official announcement is made. Fan gripes won't suddenly make UNC officials back out of a deal.

But I do have a real question for Ga Southern fans. And i ensure you this is a legit question, not a dig......what is the true consensus among your fans regarding the lack of success schedule P5s to Paulson? Seems like many fans are agitated that you haven't scheduled a H&H with a P5 yet, whereas the other half seems to say "well we don't want to give up money games to get one". That sounds like an excuse to mask the fact that you really REALLY want one. What gives?

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I personally haven't been too upset about the lack of a P5 on the home schedule but some of our fans do seem obsessed with keeping up with the Jones' so to speak. My gripe is the lack of 6 home games like last season with 2 of the five home games being on a week night I was only able to attend three games in spite of being a season ticket holder. I guess I might be in the minority but I agree with those who say no 2-1 deals just to get a P5 to our place. It seemed that our AD was having trouble scheduling even peer conference teams to begin with but our H&H deals do seem to be improving so I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.

no offense, I get why you don't want 2-1 deal just to get a P5 to our place, but when you do that your closing the doors on getting P5s to Statesboro on a regular basis. To me, it all about building it one layer at a time, you start with, very low P5 and solid G5, then once you establish you can handle all the logistics on gameday, extra crowd, traffic, etc, and you get that reputation of being a good host, then then it becomes much easier to sell your product to a mid-major, such as the Heels, and then you can start making some real money. The point is, now that Miami came, and other than the score, it was a big success by both fanbases/administrations, and with Wake, ECU, already signed up, the Carolinas, Dukes, and NC States of the world feel much more comfortable giving us a home game, than they did 2 years ago.

Boone has a advantage over Statesboro. Location. 6 teams (OOC) within the same state that have no problem playing a g5 on the road with 4 of those 6 being p5 teams. Also 4 other p5 teams in border states that also have scheduled to play g5 teams on the road. (Virginia, Virginia Tech, Vandy, and GaTech).

Now look at Statesboro. Only one team (OOC) within Georgia that will play a g5 on the road, (GaTech) and only 2 other p5 teams in border states that will play at a g5 (Miami and Vandy).

I was thinking the same thing, just not as many in state opportunities for GaSo.

(02-15-2017 10:12 AM)AppinSC Wrote:  By my own observation, APP did quite well under Coach Brakefield for a time. When he left, they hired the OC from Wake (can't stomach naming him). He took App backwards for 2 or 3 years until they hired one Mack Brown who (although he only stayed for one season) , somewhat changed the expectation level of football in Boone. Sparky took over and carried us further up the ladder until Coach Moore came on board and the rest is history. Satterfield may end up being the best of the bunch when all is said and done.

I am convinced if Sparky had stayed at App we would have equaled or bettered Ga Southern in the number of national championships. Most App fans remember Jerry Moore from 2005 forward. Those who were not around for his early years don't realize JM was not exactly embraced by the ASU faithful early on. He took over a program that had won 2 SoCon Championships in 3 years and advanced to the semi finals of the 1-AA playoffs 2 years before. It was loaded with talent. Over the next 16 years Coach Moore won 3 Conference Championships ('91, '95, '99). His playoff record was a dismal 3-7 until making it to the semi finals in 2000. The next 4 years he was 1-2 missing the playoffs in '03 & '04. The 2004 season was a disaster and Jerry was in the grave and people were kicking dirt on him until the miracle of 2005.

(02-15-2017 01:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:12 AM)AppinSC Wrote:  By my own observation, APP did quite well under Coach Brakefield for a time. When he left, they hired the OC from Wake (can't stomach naming him). He took App backwards for 2 or 3 years until they hired one Mack Brown who (although he only stayed for one season) , somewhat changed the expectation level of football in Boone. Sparky took over and carried us further up the ladder until Coach Moore came on board and the rest is history. Satterfield may end up being the best of the bunch when all is said and done.

I am convinced if Sparky had stayed at App we would have equaled or bettered Ga Southern in the number of national championships. Most App fans remember Jerry Moore from 2005 forward. Those who were not around for his early years don't realize JM was not exactly embraced by the ASU faithful early on. He took over a program that had won 2 SoCon Championships in 3 years and advanced to the semi finals of the 1-AA playoffs 2 years before. It was loaded with talent. Over the next 16 years Coach Moore won 3 Conference Championships ('91, '95, '99). His playoff record was a dismal 3-7 until making it to the semi finals in 2000. The next 4 years he was 1-2 missing the playoffs in '03 & '04. The 2004 season was a disaster and Jerry was in the grave and people were kicking dirt on him until the miracle of 2005.

Fortunately Richie Williams and Armani Edwards happened!

(02-15-2017 01:36 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:12 AM)AppinSC Wrote:  By my own observation, APP did quite well under Coach Brakefield for a time. When he left, they hired the OC from Wake (can't stomach naming him). He took App backwards for 2 or 3 years until they hired one Mack Brown who (although he only stayed for one season) , somewhat changed the expectation level of football in Boone. Sparky took over and carried us further up the ladder until Coach Moore came on board and the rest is history. Satterfield may end up being the best of the bunch when all is said and done.

I am convinced if Sparky had stayed at App we would have equaled or bettered Ga Southern in the number of national championships. Most App fans remember Jerry Moore from 2005 forward. Those who were not around for his early years don't realize JM was not exactly embraced by the ASU faithful early on. He took over a program that had won 2 SoCon Championships in 3 years and advanced to the semi finals of the 1-AA playoffs 2 years before. It was loaded with talent. Over the next 16 years Coach Moore won 3 Conference Championships ('91, '95, '99). His playoff record was a dismal 3-7 until making it to the semi finals in 2000. The next 4 years he was 1-2 missing the playoffs in '03 & '04. The 2004 season was a disaster and Jerry was in the grave and people were kicking dirt on him until the miracle of 2005.

Fortunately Richie Williams and Armani Edwards happened!

Ya'll had a GROUP of solid players in that 05-07 time frame that contributed to that large run of success. It wasn't just the 2 QB's. Don't do those guys a disservice either.

Website needs updating:

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(02-15-2017 01:36 PM)SpeedkingATL Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:04 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:12 AM)AppinSC Wrote:  By my own observation, APP did quite well under Coach Brakefield for a time. When he left, they hired the OC from Wake (can't stomach naming him). He took App backwards for 2 or 3 years until they hired one Mack Brown who (although he only stayed for one season) , somewhat changed the expectation level of football in Boone. Sparky took over and carried us further up the ladder until Coach Moore came on board and the rest is history. Satterfield may end up being the best of the bunch when all is said and done.

I am convinced if Sparky had stayed at App we would have equaled or bettered Ga Southern in the number of national championships. Most App fans remember Jerry Moore from 2005 forward. Those who were not around for his early years don't realize JM was not exactly embraced by the ASU faithful early on. He took over a program that had won 2 SoCon Championships in 3 years and advanced to the semi finals of the 1-AA playoffs 2 years before. It was loaded with talent. Over the next 16 years Coach Moore won 3 Conference Championships ('91, '95, '99). His playoff record was a dismal 3-7 until making it to the semi finals in 2000. The next 4 years he was 1-2 missing the playoffs in '03 & '04. The 2004 season was a disaster and Jerry was in the grave and people were kicking dirt on him until the miracle of 2005.

Fortunately Richie Williams and Armani Edwards happened!

The key to the '05 team was how healthly they stayed. O-linemen Brown, Suttle, Robertson & Isenhour started all 15 games and Oliver started 14. Williams and Richardson started every game. There was some rotation among the WR's. The truly amazing stat is only two players on defense, both ILBs, missed a combined 5 starts for the season. Nine defensive players started a combined 135 games.

A couple of thoughts.

One, a few weeks ago 75 percent of AppState fans would have bet money that UNCCH would never come to Boone.

Secondly, most P5 schools desire to schedule out of conference games that are located in rich recruiting areas when looking at G5 games which is why ODU and Charlotte have had good success with scheduing P5 home and homes. AppState is in a town that has zero recruiting opportunity and it is challenging to get into from air travel. So getting a P5 to Boone for recruiting is not a thing.

GaSo is in a very fruitful recruiting area. P5 Schools like GT, UNCCH, Duke, Wake, NC State, Vandy, Mizzou, OleMiss, Miss St, Kentucky, Virginia, VA Tech, WV all have interest in South Georgia as a recruiting area and GaSo should be able to make a compelling presentation to them to land P5 games just as A-State, Troy, LA, Georgia State, USA, AppState and now even Coastal have done. A two for one may not have a $1.2 to $1.5 payout but the increased revenue of the the P5 at home should offset only getting $1mm for the third game. GaSo should be a very desirable home and home for many of these schools. GaTech to GaSo is no different than UNCCCH to AppState. There is also no reason to think that GaSo can't schedule a home and home with Miami just as A-State and AppState have done.

It is also interesting how A-State is breaking payment records on their money/bank games. Go A-State you are the money winners.

AppState's and A-State's athletic director and staff have each done a bang up job. GaSo, your's has not.

(02-15-2017 08:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  A couple of thoughts.

One, a few weeks ago 75 percent of AppState fans would have bet money that UNCCH would never come to Boone.

Secondly, most P5 schools desire to schedule out of conference games that are located in rich recruiting areas when looking at G5 games which is why ODU and Charlotte have had good success with scheduing P5 home and homes. AppState is in a town that has zero recruiting opportunity and it is challenging to get into from air travel. So getting a P5 to Boone for recruiting is not a thing.

GaSo is in a very fruitful recruiting area. P5 Schools like GT, UNCCH, Duke, Wake, NC State, Vandy, Mizzou, OleMiss, Miss St, Kentucky, Virginia, VA Tech, WV all have interest in South Georgia as a recruiting area and GaSo should be able to make a compelling presentation to them to land P5 games just as A-State, Troy, LA, Georgia State, USA, AppState and now even Coastal had done. A two for one may not have a $1.2 to $1.5 payout but the increased revenue of the the P5 at home should offset only getting $1mm for the third game. GaSo should be a very desirable home and home for many of these schools. GaTech to GaSo is no different than UNCCCH to AppState. There is also no reason to think that GaSo can't schedule a home and home with Miami just as A-State and AppState have done.

It is also interesting how A-State is breaking payment recordd on their money/bank games. Go A-State you are the money winners.

AppState's and A-State's athletic director and staff have each done a bang up job. GaSo, your's has not.

I don't know if comparing us to GS in landing a P5 school is the same. Georgia considers themselves a elite program, how accurate that is debatable, but I cant see them anytime soon going to Statesboro just out of arrogance. Now GT, that is one that GS needs to find a way to make happen, even if they play the third game at a discount. I definitely think something strange is going on in Statesboro, I don't know if the AD is weak, or their playing by set of rules the rest of the SBC team aren't, but it just seems weird the only quality team they have able to land is Houston, and their just an AAC school.

(02-15-2017 10:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  A couple of thoughts.

One, a few weeks ago 75 percent of AppState fans would have bet money that UNCCH would never come to Boone.

Secondly, most P5 schools desire to schedule out of conference games that are located in rich recruiting areas when looking at G5 games which is why ODU and Charlotte have had good success with scheduing P5 home and homes. AppState is in a town that has zero recruiting opportunity and it is challenging to get into from air travel. So getting a P5 to Boone for recruiting is not a thing.

GaSo is in a very fruitful recruiting area. P5 Schools like GT, UNCCH, Duke, Wake, NC State, Vandy, Mizzou, OleMiss, Miss St, Kentucky, Virginia, VA Tech, WV all have interest in South Georgia as a recruiting area and GaSo should be able to make a compelling presentation to them to land P5 games just as A-State, Troy, LA, Georgia State, USA, AppState and now even Coastal had done. A two for one may not have a $1.2 to $1.5 payout but the increased revenue of the the P5 at home should offset only getting $1mm for the third game. GaSo should be a very desirable home and home for many of these schools. GaTech to GaSo is no different than UNCCCH to AppState. There is also no reason to think that GaSo can't schedule a home and home with Miami just as A-State and AppState have done.

It is also interesting how A-State is breaking payment recordd on their money/bank games. Go A-State you are the money winners.

AppState's and A-State's athletic director and staff have each done a bang up job. GaSo, your's has not.

I don't know if comparing us to GS in landing a P5 school is the same. Georgia considers themselves a elite program, how accurate that is debatable, but I cant see them anytime soon going to Statesboro just out of arrogance. Now GT, that is one that GS needs to find a way to make happen, even if they play the third game at a discount. I definitely think something strange is going on in Statesboro, I don't know if the AD is weak, or their playing by set of rules the rest of the SBC team aren't, but it just seems weird the only quality team they have able to land is Houston, and their just an AAC school.

GaTech to GaSo is the same as UNCCH to AppState. Georgia is not going to play in any G5 stadium. GaTech and UNCCH rarely sellout their own stadiums except for big rivalry games. We will fill UNCCH stadium just as GaSo would fill GaTech. The income from those extra 10,000 tickets sold is about $500k. GaTech needs that extra money more than UNCCH does but both want full stadiums and every dollar that they can generate.

You are right about the GaSo AD. He makes Charlie Cobb look like a brilliantly charming man.

(02-16-2017 12:00 AM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 10:46 PM)moehler Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 08:29 PM)HighlandsApp Wrote:  A couple of thoughts.

One, a few weeks ago 75 percent of AppState fans would have bet money that UNCCH would never come to Boone.

Secondly, most P5 schools desire to schedule out of conference games that are located in rich recruiting areas when looking at G5 games which is why ODU and Charlotte have had good success with scheduing P5 home and homes. AppState is in a town that has zero recruiting opportunity and it is challenging to get into from air travel. So getting a P5 to Boone for recruiting is not a thing.

GaSo is in a very fruitful recruiting area. P5 Schools like GT, UNCCH, Duke, Wake, NC State, Vandy, Mizzou, OleMiss, Miss St, Kentucky, Virginia, VA Tech, WV all have interest in South Georgia as a recruiting area and GaSo should be able to make a compelling presentation to them to land P5 games just as A-State, Troy, LA, Georgia State, USA, AppState and now even Coastal had done. A two for one may not have a $1.2 to $1.5 payout but the increased revenue of the the P5 at home should offset only getting $1mm for the third game. GaSo should be a very desirable home and home for many of these schools. GaTech to GaSo is no different than UNCCCH to AppState. There is also no reason to think that GaSo can't schedule a home and home with Miami just as A-State and AppState have done.

It is also interesting how A-State is breaking payment recordd on their money/bank games. Go A-State you are the money winners.

AppState's and A-State's athletic director and staff have each done a bang up job. GaSo, your's has not.

I don't know if comparing us to GS in landing a P5 school is the same. Georgia considers themselves a elite program, how accurate that is debatable, but I cant see them anytime soon going to Statesboro just out of arrogance. Now GT, that is one that GS needs to find a way to make happen, even if they play the third game at a discount. I definitely think something strange is going on in Statesboro, I don't know if the AD is weak, or their playing by set of rules the rest of the SBC team aren't, but it just seems weird the only quality team they have able to land is Houston, and their just an AAC school.

GaTech to GaSo is the same as UNCCH to AppState. Georgia is not going to play in any G5 stadium. GaTech and UNCCH rarely sellout their own stadiums except for big rivalry games. We will fill UNCCH stadium just as GaSo would fill GaTech. The income from those extra 10,000 tickets sold is about $500k. GaTech needs that extra money more than UNCCH does but both want full stadiums and every dollar that they can generate.

You are right about the GaSo AD. He makes Charlie Cobb look like a brilliantly charming man.

I think that TK was the right guy to transition from Baker....basically a shock to the system that was the Athletic Dept for SEVENTEEN YEARS. There were a lot of things that needed to change, and a culture was a big one. We needed someone that could come in and be that strong personality to lead change. Things had been status quo in the AD's office for so long, that I don't think anyone realized how far behind they were.

I liken it to The Godfather, when they were talking about the difference in a wartime and peacetime consigliere. TK has gotten us through our wartime (kicking the athletic department in the ass and FBS transition), now it's time to find our peacetime guy to usher in new opportunities. That takes a different approach and different tactics.

However, I think we're approaching (or have approached) where someone with a stronger overall skillset is needed for the next step. Negotiations don't seem to be a strong skill right now. Also, I don't think that we've realized all the potential resources for revenue coming into the Athletic Dept, but I don't really have insight into that so I'm just spitballing for now.

App made a very good decision with Gillin, who I would expect won't be there for too terribly much longer. He has a pretty big future ahead of him in college athletics at the rate he's going.

I didn't mean to imply that the GS AD is good, or isn't good at his job, I'm not there everyday in Statesboro, so how can I make a educated assessment, I'm just saying that his skill set COULD be one of the reasons, only people close to the program really knows. As far as Gillin, no doubt we hit a homerun with him, he really knows what he is doing, and just an observation, he brings a certain professionalism that we haven't had in the past. Whats great about him going forward, is he has already accomplished a great deal, while spending the first 2 years cleaning up after the last AD. Once he gets that done, gets everything in order, and can aggressively implement his own plan, he is going to take us to levels we have never seen. As far as him leaving soon, one thing we have going for us is AD jobs at P5 schools don't come open very often, first you have to really screw up to get fired, and second, most hang on to those "plum jobs" until well into their 60s or even 70s. But, I will admit, every time I hear of an opening, I get worried until its filled, however I don't think only 2 years on the job he is actively seeking to leave, things could change, but I think the odds are in our favor he stays atleast a couple more years.

To App folks....Congrats on your scheduling coup. Why not celebrate your scheduling coup without disparaging other programs?

Understand that you're in a different situation than other teams. Your flagship university doesn't put football first. Your flagship university is a 'diffuse' flagship (NC has multiple 'top' in state teams - unlike other flagship schools in the footprint). The team that you are bragging about scheduling already signed an away game at UNCC, and is so desperate to 'stay local' that they've scheduled a NON-CONFERENCE game series with an in conference team.

Georgia Southern will NEVER get a home game with Georgia. And neither will App. USA will NEVER get a home game with Alabama or Auburn, and neither will App. Georgia Tech has fewer 'slots' for OOC games because they have to play one top level team OOC every year.

Getting a home and home with Georgia Tech is not the same as getting a home and home with UNC. Its much harder to get GT.

Again, congrats on your scheduling coup. It is a great 'get'. But it isn't replicable to other programs.

I'll give you the SEC teams, but GT "much harder" to get a H&H with than GT. That is quite a statement.

Tom - App and GS fans give each other hell about everything, it's what rivals do. If we didn't I'd start to worry about apathy on both sides.

where are we in this post casting disparaging remarks at GS? Ya, a few digs, but nothing even remotely over the top, we are just asking the question why isn't GS landing more P5, or even quality G5 schools? Yes, there are some small differences between App and GS that could effect them landing a P5 school, but there are much more similarities that should help them land more P5 schools. Again, the facts are your watching a new day where P5/AAC schools are willing to play at G5 schools on a regular basis, not just App, or Ark State, but across the country at other G5 schools, what would have been a rare thing 10 years ago is now happing on a regular basis. Which brings us back to GS, looking at them objectively, they are at no real disadvantage, that I can see, that shouldn't keep them from jumping on the gravy train, and bringing some these schools, great facilities, school within a decent driving distance, a recruiting area that should appeal to P5/AAC school, and a fanbase that will go out of its way to pack the stadium, and make the opposing teams fanbase feel welcome. Sorry, I just don't see how App and other schools have such an advantage over GS.

(02-16-2017 10:07 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  To App folks....Congrats on your scheduling coup. Why not celebrate your scheduling coup without disparaging other programs?

Understand that you're in a different situation than other teams. Your flagship university doesn't put football first. Your flagship university is a 'diffuse' flagship (NC has multiple 'top' in state teams - unlike other flagship schools in the footprint). The team that you are bragging about scheduling already signed an away game at UNCC, and is so desperate to 'stay local' that they've scheduled a NON-CONFERENCE game series with an in conference team.

Georgia Southern will NEVER get a home game with Georgia. And neither will App. USA will NEVER get a home game with Alabama or Auburn, and neither will App. Georgia Tech has fewer 'slots' for OOC games because they have to play one top level team OOC every year.

Getting a home and home with Georgia Tech is not the same as getting a home and home with UNC. Its much harder to get GT.

Again, congrats on your scheduling coup. It is a great 'get'. But it isn't replicable to other programs.

Thanks, I have congratulated all the other programs and the reason that I make digs at GaSo is because I have read the threads on their message boars about AppState and everyone else's successes in which they disparage all of us and state crazy excuses as to why no one will play them.

I do disagree. GT = UNCCH. Why do you think otherwise?

It just seems too tough to compare the two situations (GS/GT/App/UNC). Tech also has a national championship within the lifetime of most fans, a fairly recent BCS bowl appearance, and a very recent New Year's Six win. You're almost certainly going to find more GT than UNC fans that think of their school as football first. Maybe I'm underestimating the dedication of Tar Hell football fans, but I know that the Ramblin' Wreck does have some pretty rabid (and near-delusional) support in this state. And since that 2011 Middle Tennessee trip, Tech doesn't seem quite as willing as UNC to "lower" themselves too far in their OOC travels.

It is entirely possible that GS's AD is terrible at figuring out these deals, but if I were a GS fan I think I'd have a hard time figuring out how far that's true and how far all of the usual concerns (small stadium, small town, funny offense, no big upside) actually do keep P5s away from Statesboro.