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How to Save EMU Basketball This Season
All of us gave Murphy the benefit of the doubt on having a successful 2016-17 season based on the returning talent on the roster. However, after close to 6 seasons, we have seen absolutely no improvement in running a structured offense or adjustments made on defense. On defense it's the same ol same ol zone that our league has figured out. Man to man defense doesn't mean we would win all of our games but it does give you the best chance to win. That is why 97℅ of coaches play M2M vs zone.

The last thing we want to do is have a coach like Jim Boone back at EMU. He could not recruit enough D1 athletes. It gave me nightmares watching his teams play. To Coach Murphy's credit, he has a legitimate MAC roster of talented players that operates in a poorly structured strategy and system. This reminds me of the time when Jim Boyce was coaching EMU in the mid 80s. The team was talented but Boyce couldn't get them to perform. We had a bright AD who took advantage of evaluating Boyce's staff while a head coaching search was underway. Gene Smith, the AD, executed a win - win. During 1985-86? midseason, Smith dismissed Boyce but kept him on payroll. He then promoted Ben Braun to head coach and the rest is history. So let's repeat history and find out if Mike Brown is head coaching material. If not we hire a new coach after the season. If Brown works out, then we would most likely keep the roster and recruits.

I am in favor of the following:

1) Demote Coach Murphy to an administrator position until his contract expires.
2) Promote Coach Brown on the condition he doesn't keep the zone strategy and runs a structured offense.

I think EMU has nothing to lose and can only win with the above action. I've heard Brown is a great recruiter so let's give him a shot.
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Sounds like you are a doctor wannabe, wanting to do organ transplant surgery.

You want to keep the selective parts of the current coaching staff and their abilities.

It doesn't work that way.

IF there is a coaching staff change, after the season is over, it would almost certainly be the entire staff. The new hire brings in his own staff.

I would suggest that we all take a deep breath like last year and see if the season turns around.
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Last season's "turnaround" was insufficient. This year's debacle is unacceptable. If things aren't working, you have to make a change. Good programs don't fear change.
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(02-08-2017 12:44 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Last season's "turnaround" was insufficient. This year's debacle is unacceptable. If things aren't working, you have to make a change. Good programs don't fear change.

Then why hasn't cmu fired keno?
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(02-08-2017 01:47 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno_Davis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Murphy_(basketball)

It is very very sad to say ... but quite clear in just about every form of our society today ... people don't want to wait for the steak, they want the instant sizzle.

CMU has no better record than the bulk of the MAC, but Davis caters himself to the easy 3-point shooting game ... fire as many and as often as possible and see if the opposition can keep up ... defense be damned.

Their own fans don't even completely buy into it ...

but it is quite easy (very easy) to get kids to buy into this philosophy over actually playing both ends of the court and focusing on rebounding ...

It's also easy to get the opposition sucked into playing their game ... and TV to rush and put them on the air ... Like football, it's how the NCAA wants the game played ... but like football it's not the game most purists really want to see.

And it actually bores most fans beyond their own favorite team.
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Lyke should not squander this talent and let the season tank. This squad needs structure and a new look. If I were Lyke, I would promote Mike Brown as head coach and demote Murphy effective immediately. Maybe some fans would show up for a few games this season, we might play inspired, and maybe Brown could try a new defense and offense that could swing the pendulum back to the winning side.
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(02-08-2017 11:40 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I am in favor of the following:

1) Demote Coach Murphy to an administrator position until his contract expires.
2) Promote Coach Brown on the condition he doesn't keep the zone strategy and runs a structured offense.

I think EMU has nothing to lose and can only win with the above action. I've heard Brown is a great recruiter so let's give him a shot.

Luckey, that is silly.

Coach Brown doesn't text his wife: "Honey, do you have my playbooks from my days at Schoolcraft? Can you have them by time I get home. Think we are going to have to use them tomorrow..."

As far as being a great recruiter what does that have to do with a COACHING change?

If Murphy is replaced it is probable that the entire staff is gone. I believe asst coach contracts are usually only one year and expire I believe March 30.

And we aren't getting a new offense and defense installed in a week or two...
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We are now projected to only get a 10th seed which means no home game for the tournament.
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(02-15-2017 06:34 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:40 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  I am in favor of the following:

1) Demote Coach Murphy to an administrator position until his contract expires.
2) Promote Coach Brown on the condition he doesn't keep the zone strategy and runs a structured offense.

I think EMU has nothing to lose and can only win with the above action. I've heard Brown is a great recruiter so let's give him a shot.

Luckey, that is silly.

Coach Brown doesn't text his wife: "Honey, do you have my playbooks from my days at Schoolcraft? Can you have them by time I get home. Think we are going to have to use them tomorrow..."

As far as being a great recruiter what does that have to do with a COACHING change?

If Murphy is replaced it is probable that the entire staff is gone. I believe asst coach contracts are usually only one year and expire I believe March 30.

And we aren't getting a new offense and defense installed in a week or two...

Not silly at all.

1) The players already practice man to man everyday in practice.

2) A few offensive plays could be added quite easily. Basketball is not calculus not even algebra. Spacing and ball movement without over dribbling would be a couple of easy changes to implement.
3) Brown has head coaching experience.

This would duplicate the same manner in which Braun got the coaching job.
Bottom line is EMU has nothing to lose because our current trajectory has us on a first game tournament loss.
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I hear you, but Braun was not brought in after Valentine's Day and he did not save THAT season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Braun

That season was a dumpster fire and a change was made early on.

This season is different. It is a late season collapse. A month ago we thought we were the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference.

That said, the AD did have the opportunity to use the balance of the season as a chance to see what Braun could do.
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(02-15-2017 11:10 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I hear you, but Braun was not brought in after Valentine's Day and he did not save THAT season.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Braun

That season was a dumpster fire and a change was made early on.

This season is different. It is a late season collapse. A month ago we thought we were the 2nd or 3rd best team in the conference.

That said, the AD did have the opportunity to use the balance of the season as a chance to see what Braun could do.

Steve,

EMU is the second best team in this conference!!! I thought that our talent would over compensate Murphy's lack of coaching ability.

Unfortunately he has brought down EMU basketball.
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If only Murphy wouldn't have shot 2-10 from the field. Or turned it over 15 times. Or not hustled back on defense.

Luckeyone is the type of fan to paint a picture in either black or white. Basketball isn't one or the other; it's a combination of many factors that determine a season. Murphy has coached poorly this year, but putting ALL the blame on him utterly ridiculous. The players need to bear some of the responsibility. Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. Thompson loses his head at least every other game.

Murphy hasn't been good at leading this horse to water, but the players don't always seem like they want to drink anyway.
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"Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.
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(02-15-2017 12:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  "Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.

Maybe they are just not that good basketball players? Ability to make the right decision in the right situations is what makes great players in my opinion. Unfortunately this team is full of very low basketball IQ guys. Yes they are very talented but so what?

And in the Ray Lee vs. Murphy feud - I think if you guys had some insight in the reality of the situation, your perception would be VERY different.
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(02-15-2017 01:42 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  "Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.

Maybe they are just not that good basketball players? Ability to make the right decision in the right situations is what makes great players in my opinion. Unfortunately this team is full of very low basketball IQ guys. Yes they are very talented but so what?

And in the Ray Lee vs. Murphy feud - I think if you guys had some insight in the reality of the situation, your perception would be VERY different.

I AGREE with you on the Lee vs. Murphy issue.

Unless one is in the locker room or practices one doesn't know. How would 99% of EMU MBB fans know????

I stay completely out of issues RE: coaches and players (or players and other players) be it MBB, FB, etc.

Sometimes I hear a snippet but I leave it at that. I prefer to confine myself to what I can observe on the court...
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(02-15-2017 01:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 01:42 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  "Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.

Maybe they are just not that good basketball players? Ability to make the right decision in the right situations is what makes great players in my opinion. Unfortunately this team is full of very low basketball IQ guys. Yes they are very talented but so what?

And in the Ray Lee vs. Murphy feud - I think if you guys had some insight in the reality of the situation, your perception would be VERY different.

I AGREE with you on the Lee vs. Murphy issue.

Unless one is in the locker room or practices one doesn't know. How would 99% of EMU MBB fans know????

I stay completely out of issues RE: coaches and players (or players and other players) be it MBB, FB, etc.

Sometimes I hear a snippet but I leave it at that. I prefer to confine myself to what I can observe on the court...

Yeah but it is hard not to observe that when a player is suspended every other game and no reason is given on why.

All I will say on this issue is that there is a reason why not many schools wanted to take a risk on Mr. Lee. I will let the rest of you fill in the blanks.
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(02-15-2017 12:50 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  If only Murphy wouldn't have shot 2-10 from the field. Or turned it over 15 times. Or not hustled back on defense.

Luckeyone is the type of fan to paint a picture in either black or white. Basketball isn't one or the other; it's a combination of many factors that determine a season. Murphy has coached poorly this year, but putting ALL the blame on him utterly ridiculous. The players need to bear some of the responsibility. Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. Thompson loses his head at least every other game.

Murphy hasn't been good at leading this horse to water, but the players don't always seem like they want to drink anyway.
Sam,

You like to put words into my mouth.

Ultimately this is Murphy's system, his offense, his defense, his transition between O & D, the allowance of bad shots taken, his allowance for lack of effort, his assitant coaches, and overall his players. The coach makes $250 k per year to shoulder the blame or credit. Ultimately it is on Murphy.

Of course there are an infinite number of decisions made during a game but how you prepare with the system He put in place with His players will proportionately determine wins and losses.
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(02-15-2017 01:42 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  "Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.

Maybe they are just not that good basketball players? Ability to make the right decision in the right situations is what makes great players in my opinion. Unfortunately this team is full of very low basketball IQ guys. Yes they are very talented but so what?

And in the Ray Lee vs. Murphy feud - I think if you guys had some insight in the reality of the situation, your perception would be VERY different.

Regarding Ray Lee vs Murphy feud it's a very simple solution. If Ray Lee was not hustling in practice, he shouldn't play period ever. However, Murphy has played Lee and which one can only derive that Lee practices hard. When Lee has played and performed well there are times he sits for a dozen minutes or so. Why?

This was the same situation with Derek Thompson. He was our best scorer and player but would often sit for unknown reasons. The players told me DT was a very hard worker in practice.

The bottom line is if Ray Lee doesn't play hard in games or practices, he shouldn't ever see the floor period but since Murphy plays him, I don't think that's the case.
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(02-15-2017 03:07 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 01:42 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-15-2017 12:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  "Many times, there are better passes for Toney/Mangum/Lee to make, yet they force up an awful shot. "

I watch a lot of our opponents pass the ball like it is a hot potato. Pass it every second until someone sees a shot they like.

We dribble, dribble, dribble... and end up with a forced shot, frequently in traffic.

That's was drives me 03-banghead

I'm not as frustrated by the defense because they scramble so much, trying to jump the passing lanes, that open shots are the natural result.

To me, jumping the passing lane is like jumping the route in FB. If you are successful, possible INT. If unsuccessful, maybe long gainer or TD for the offense.

Maybe they are just not that good basketball players? Ability to make the right decision in the right situations is what makes great players in my opinion. Unfortunately this team is full of very low basketball IQ guys. Yes they are very talented but so what?

And in the Ray Lee vs. Murphy feud - I think if you guys had some insight in the reality of the situation, your perception would be VERY different.

Regarding Ray Lee vs Murphy feud it's a very simple solution. If Ray Lee was not hustling in practice, he shouldn't play period ever. However, Murphy has played Lee and which one can only derive that Lee practices hard. When Lee has played and performed well there are times he sits for a dozen minutes or so. Why?

This was the same situation with Derek Thompson. He was our best scorer and player but would often sit for unknown reasons. The players told me DT was a very hard worker in practice.

The bottom line is if Ray Lee doesn't play hard in games or practices, he shouldn't ever see the floor period but since Murphy plays him, I don't think that's the case.

Luckey, I think that is simplistic. There are a lot of reasons why a player can get in the coaches' dog house or get suspended.

I would think lack of effort in practice would most likely get reduced PT but not a suspension.
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