(02-12-2017 11:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

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(02-12-2017 12:53 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 09:41 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  While we'll just have to get used to coaches leaving at some point, the silver lining is that the program will keep attracting great coaches, and we'll keep building upward.

This is where I disagree.. We have given 2 Assistant Coaches with no head Coaching experience a head coaching job and they have both been great hires.. If you keep losing Coaches eventually odds are your gonna hire a mediocre to bad Coach and that could set us back 5 to 10 years.. We nor the administration knew what they had when they hired Fuente and then Norvell.. All it takes is one bad one and we could lose all momentum..Basketball is way easier to get back than Football.. One player can change everything for BB but not FB it takes a bunch of players which can be very difficult here.. I hope Norvell is here for a while but when these P5 schools come calling it's hard for them not to leave.. Good news that some assistants stayed so hopefully if Norvell keeps this rolling he might surprise us and stay a few extra years..This is just my Opinion but I feel strongly about it..

Sorry but you lose all credibility when you say "we nor the administration knew what they had"... BOTH coaches were extensively scouted and measured. Norvell was the absolute first choice of most in the AD, which is why we balked so quickly with Odom.
I agree with everything else, but if you knew the history with our program and Norvell, you would know differently.

Sorry but when you hire someone that has never been a head Coach you are taking a risk or chance no matter how much you scouted and measured someone..

What about when you hire Charlie Strong, Derek Dooley, Tommy Tuberville, Dennis Fanchione, Mike Price, Hugh Freeze, Lane Kiffin, Ed Orgeron, _______ _______. SEC resumes are scattered with failed former coaches. There is no guarantee that they get better. The risk is there no matter what, because people and jobs are unique. Very few can hire away a proven winner HC from another successful job. Most of those listed above thought they hired no-risk guys. Heck, it's still a risk for Fuente and Virginia Tech.

While I'll agree with a lot your saying it is much harder here to get it back than a lot of the schools your talking about..Most of these schools have good to great programs.. We haven't and can't really afford to take a big let down..IMO

(02-12-2017 02:01 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 11:29 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:10 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 12:53 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 09:41 PM)tigergg Wrote:  This is where I disagree.. We have given 2 Assistant Coaches with no head Coaching experience a head coaching job and they have both been great hires.. If you keep losing Coaches eventually odds are your gonna hire a mediocre to bad Coach and that could set us back 5 to 10 years.. We nor the administration knew what they had when they hired Fuente and then Norvell.. All it takes is one bad one and we could lose all momentum..Basketball is way easier to get back than Football.. One player can change everything for BB but not FB it takes a bunch of players which can be very difficult here.. I hope Norvell is here for a while but when these P5 schools come calling it's hard for them not to leave.. Good news that some assistants stayed so hopefully if Norvell keeps this rolling he might surprise us and stay a few extra years..This is just my Opinion but I feel strongly about it..

Sorry but you lose all credibility when you say "we nor the administration knew what they had"... BOTH coaches were extensively scouted and measured. Norvell was the absolute first choice of most in the AD, which is why we balked so quickly with Odom.
I agree with everything else, but if you knew the history with our program and Norvell, you would know differently.

Sorry but when you hire someone that has never been a head Coach you are taking a risk or chance no matter how much you scouted and measured someone..

What about when you hire Charlie Strong, Derek Dooley, Tommy Tuberville, Dennis Fanchione, Mike Price, Hugh Freeze, Lane Kiffin, Ed Orgeron, _______ _______. SEC resumes are scattered with failed former coaches. There is no guarantee that they get better. The risk is there no matter what, because people and jobs are unique. Very few can hire away a proven winner HC from another successful job. Most of those listed above thought they hired no-risk guys. Heck, it's still a risk for Fuente and Virginia Tech.

While I'll agree with a lot your saying it is much harder here to get it back than a lot of the schools your talking about..Most of these schools have good to great programs.. We haven't and can't really afford to take a big let down..IMO

I agree we can't afford the letdown, I am arguing how much research we did on those two coaches. EVERY coach is a bit of a gamble. Will Charlie Strong be successful at USF, he wasn't at Texas?! I think absolutely because he recruits FL well and has a lot of ties there, but it is still a gamble. Coach O is a gamble. Can Hermann coach at Texas even though he did a great job at Houston?!!
Fuente was an assistant head coach at TCU that was HEAVILY involved in that team's operation. It wasn't like he was a position coach with no experience.
Norvell was who Fuente's staff went to in adapting their offense. Norvell was also pursued by multiple teams, for good reason, but was looking for the right fit. This wasn't just a shot in the dark. The administration and people close to the program DID know what they were going to be getting with BOTH of those hires. To say less is just not giving the ADs office, those involved with the coaching search or the coaches themselves any credit.

(02-11-2017 11:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 09:41 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 05:57 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 05:17 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  The assistants have caught on with Norvell and are smart to stay on his staff. Loyalty displayed to him now will be rewarded when he gets his next job.

Sure I'd like Norvell to stay, but The University of Memphis isn't a destination job and coaches are all mercenaries.

Should be

While we'll just have to get used to coaches leaving at some point, the silver lining is that the program will keep attracting great coaches, and we'll keep building upward.

This is where I disagree.. We have given 2 Assistant Coaches with no head Coaching experience a head coaching job and they have both been great hires.. If you keep losing Coaches eventually odds are your gonna hire a mediocre to bad Coach and that could set us back 5 to 10 years.. We nor the administration knew what they had when they hired Fuente and then Norvell.. All it takes is one bad one and we could lose all momentum..Basketball is way easier to get back than Football.. One player can change everything for BB but not FB it takes a bunch of players which can be very difficult here.. I hope Norvell is here for a while but when these P5 schools come calling it's hard for them not to leave.. Good news that some assistants stayed so hopefully if Norvell keeps this rolling he might surprise us and stay a few extra years..This is just my Opinion but I feel strongly about it..

You have the same risk everywhere. There's no guarantees even at the very top schools. They screw it up all the time. Bama before Saban hired a lot of guys that didn't work out. Michigan, Notre Dame, USC - all experienced a lot of mediocrity, even while hiring established coaches. Look at both UT's.

Average college coach tenure is like 4 years. We're not really shouldering any more risk than most others out there. What matters now is we have proven it can be done, and we've invested in the program. So we get a lot more good candidates. We will probably make a mistake - just like everyone else does. But there's no reason it will set us back 10 years.

I totally agree. 4 years is about average and the worst that can happen is that a bad coach gets a long term deal and gets fired. If the coach stays any longer after success it usually turns out bad. If we win the conference or a national championship chance even. The coach will be paid lots of money to go to another program. Face it, it happens all the time.

We COULD build a program that would be very hard to leave. The coach at Boise State didn't leave, even with repeated offers from P5s, until one of his desired jobs opened. The coach at TCU was the same case until they got into the BE... Big 12.

Memphis can build a fan base if we keep winning that could support the program and allow us to pay coaches considerably more. Especially in the case of a coach like Coach Norvell who really likes Memphis and all it has to offer!!!

It is not realistic to think that Memphis is a "final destination" for a hot young coach. But, all is not lost even thought we are not that destination.

We think that we are a step up from Arkansas State, but remember that they were able to mop up the field with us not so long ago (Larry Porter vs. Hugh Freeze). Even at their level, ASU has hired successful coach after successful coach. We at Memphis should be able to do that, but do it even better.

i am optimistic that we can continue to hire the "brightest and best" young coaches to come in and continue our recent success. Remember that each time we win a few more games, we get more attractive to the potential coaching candidates out there.

(02-13-2017 05:58 PM)covingtontiger Wrote:  It is not realistic to think that Memphis is a "final destination" for a hot young coach. But, all is not lost even thought we are not that destination.

We think that we are a step up from Arkansas State, but remember that they were able to mop up the field with us not so long ago (Larry Porter vs. Hugh Freeze). Even at their level, ASU has hired successful coach after successful coach. We at Memphis should be able to do that, but do it even better.

i am optimistic that we can continue to hire the "brightest and best" young coaches to come in and continue our recent success. Remember that each time we win a few more games, we get more attractive to the potential coaching candidates out there.

While I agree with most everything you said, I think there are hot young coaches out there that we very well could be a "final destination". This isn't a coaching graveyard anymore, far from it. With the support the football team has and even more promised, this IS a sleeping giant that is getting very close to being fully awake.

While I am not promising Coach Norvell views us that way, I don't think he will jump at the first P5 offer, since he has already turned down other offers before he came here.