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I am going to the beauty and the beast in bowen.
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(02-07-2017 10:36 PM)Time2Fly Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:19 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:08 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 08:58 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm now putting my 'Sunshine Steve" hat on... I know. Not easy to do...

Last year we did the same thing. We lost 5 straight before righting the ship and finishing strong...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../year/2016
Winning one tourny game is not finishing strong.

Actually, if you go back 365 days, EMU finished 7 - 3 from Feb. 7, 2016 through the MAC tourney.

Let's say Murphy gest to 20 wins somehow this year. Would you want him back for another year?

Not even a little. Unless he finds a way to win the MAC at this point, he's gotta go.

Agree.... When the MAC conference picks you to win your division and you have the best NBA prospect and can't be .500 in a weak conference, it's time to find the next coach.
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(02-07-2017 10:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 10:36 PM)Time2Fly Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:19 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:08 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Winning one tourny game is not finishing strong.

Actually, if you go back 365 days, EMU finished 7 - 3 from Feb. 7, 2016 through the MAC tourney.

Let's say Murphy gest to 20 wins somehow this year. Would you want him back for another year?

Not even a little. Unless he finds a way to win the MAC at this point, he's gotta go.

Agree.... When the MAC conference picks you to win your division and you have the best NBA prospect and can't be .500 in a weak conference, it's time to find the next coach.

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I think Murphy has lost control of this team both coaches and players appear to have no pride except to see how they look as individuals in the box score, they're not a team just a rambling group of one on five players and they and the coaches should be ashamed of their performance

If Murphy has one more year on his contract expect us to honor that the AD department is strapped for cash.
02-08-2017 05:16 AM
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If Heather Lyke had any sense of trying to save this season, she would fire Murphy today. But then again she should have done that after the Kent game. With as much talent that is on this roster, Rob has shown again and again that he refuses to change. Just like someone said here, if a forward can get anywhere near the baseline or paint they are guaranteed to have a wide open layup or get fouled. No adjustments ever. Maybe, uh, try man to man again and see how it goes? Definitely threw Ball State off during the game.

This is just too frustrating to watch anymore
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(02-07-2017 10:38 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 10:36 PM)Time2Fly Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:19 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:17 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-07-2017 09:08 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Winning one tourny game is not finishing strong.

Actually, if you go back 365 days, EMU finished 7 - 3 from Feb. 7, 2016 through the MAC tourney.

Let's say Murphy gest to 20 wins somehow this year. Would you want him back for another year?

Not even a little. Unless he finds a way to win the MAC at this point, he's gotta go.

Agree.... When the MAC conference picks you to win your division and you have the best NBA prospect and can't be .500 in a weak conference, it's time to find the next coach.

"Best NBA prospect in the MAC" is kind of the "biggest Chihuahua", as Thompson has no real chance to play in the NBA. He doesn't have the athleticism to be an inside-out power forward at the next level, and he is WAY too small to be a center. Very good player for the MAC, but won't get a sniff in the league. Could be a stud somewhere in Europe, though, where the defense is much more laid back.

Tim Bond is the only guy that I think would have a prayer of playing professionally in the US (D-league far more likely than NBA). If he learned how to shoot from the outside, he'd be an intriguing prospect. That's a big "if", though, since there are plenty of long athletes that can handle the ball, but can't knock down a jumper consistently. He seems like a kid who works hard, and he'll probably be our stud next year, so that'll at least be something to look forward to.
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Yeah, there's no way we will shell out the cash for a buyout. I'm disappointed too and think a new coaching staff is a good idea. But Murphy will get his last chance next year, for better or worse. Anyone know how much his buyout would be? With the scrutiny on our athletic budget, I don't think there's anyway we'd be willing to pay the buyout AND a new coach's salary.
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(02-07-2017 09:13 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  It pains me to say it because we have kept much worst coaches around for about same time as Murph but it is time to try a different concept. Coach Murphy should have all of our respect because he has done a good job overall in my opinion. I just do not think he can be great here at EMU.

I can't disagree with any of this. Personally, I think Murphy would have to have a massive finish this year, with at least a trip to the MAC championship game, to earn a new contract. Since I can't see that happening, I don't think Murphy should be renewed.

Lyke should take note that we have what looks to be a talented recruiting class, with talented sit-outs, that would look mighty good to any prospective coaches. Assuming at least one of Bond and Thompson comes back, you should have a very competitive team.

I gave Murphy the benefit of the doubt last year, with having a relatively new team and no true center, but we returned 6 out of 7 rotation players this season, and added a talented (but raw) big man. We should be a lot better right now, yet it's the same problems that have plagued us since his first season, and no players have really improved significantly enough to take notice.

This offseason would be the best time to make a move in order to avoid a full rebuild.
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(02-08-2017 10:35 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Yeah, there's no way we will shell out the cash for a buyout. I'm disappointed too and think a new coaching staff is a good idea. But Murphy will get his last chance next year, for better or worse. Anyone know how much his buyout would be? With the scrutiny on our athletic budget, I don't think there's anyway we'd be willing to pay the buyout AND a new coach's salary.

I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?
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(02-07-2017 09:17 PM)RamyEMU Wrote:  I have been a devoted EMU basketball fan- all through some absurdly bad seasons. But I have completely lost interest in this team. Murphy raised my expectations too high.

Sadly, I'm starting to as well. It only took two weeks of bad basketball to do so. It's crazy how, after the WMU win, we all had a bit of a different tone: beating a team that shot the lights out was a hopeful sign. Since then, our offense has been truly abhorrent, and we keep losing.

So disappointing.
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What in the hell is with Ray Lee?

CMU 1-10
Buff 1-6
WMU 1-1
AKR 2-5
Ball State 6-17
Miami 1-5
Kent 1-7
NIU 1-5
Toledo 1-8

He was a 20-point scorer until conference play started.
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(02-08-2017 10:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?

I wasn't sure, so I googled it. You're right that the 2012 contract extension ends in 2016-2017. But (being the nerd I am) I did a little reading and in section 2.2 it says "Each season the team wins 20+ games and/or reaches postseason play, the term of this agreement shall automatically be extended by one year."

So, his term was extended through 2018-19 with those two 20-win seasons? Am I missing anything somewhere else?

Here's the contract, if anyone's curious: http://www.annarbor.com/Rob-Murphy-contr...ension.pdf
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Unless I missed something, looks like the buy-out would be the remainder of his as annual salary that hasn't been paid to date.
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(02-08-2017 11:36 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 10:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?

I wasn't sure, so I googled it. You're right that the 2012 contract extension ends in 2016-2017. But I did a little reading and in section 2.2 it says "Each season the team wins 20+ games and/or reaches postseason play, the term of this agreement shall automatically be extended by one year."

So, his term was extended through 2018-19 with those two 20-win seasons? Am I missing anything somewhere else?

Here's the contract, if anyone's curious: http://www.annarbor.com/Rob-Murphy-contr...ension.pdf
That's interesting. Maybe that is why Murphy likes too many cupcakes during preseason.

It's also interesting that the Athletic Department is going to start controlling our schedule in the future. I wonder if the contract States 20+ wins against D1?
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(02-08-2017 11:48 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:36 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 10:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?

I wasn't sure, so I googled it. You're right that the 2012 contract extension ends in 2016-2017. But I did a little reading and in section 2.2 it says "Each season the team wins 20+ games and/or reaches postseason play, the term of this agreement shall automatically be extended by one year."

So, his term was extended through 2018-19 with those two 20-win seasons? Am I missing anything somewhere else?

Here's the contract, if anyone's curious: http://www.annarbor.com/Rob-Murphy-contr...ension.pdf
That's interesting. Maybe that is why Murphy likes too many cupcakes during preseason.

It's also interesting that the Athletic Department is going to start controlling our schedule in the future. I wonder if the contract States 20+ wins against D1?

Now you're spreading alternative facts. Murphy has been vocal about hating the cupcake games. That's entirely on Lyke trying to save money and the MAC forcing teams to play a certain amount of non-con home games.

I wonder the same thing about that note in the contract as well. Is there a smaller buyout then? I don't know.
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(02-08-2017 11:43 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Unless I missed something, looks like the buy-out would be the remainder of his as annual salary that hasn't been paid to date.

Very affordable buyout, then. Could be done at the end of season with no extra money spent.
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(02-08-2017 11:53 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:43 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Unless I missed something, looks like the buy-out would be the remainder of his as annual salary that hasn't been paid to date.

Very affordable buyout, then. Could be done at the end of season with no extra money spent.

Yep, each term ends on March 31. So it's doable.
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(02-08-2017 11:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:48 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:36 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 10:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?

I wasn't sure, so I googled it. You're right that the 2012 contract extension ends in 2016-2017. But I did a little reading and in section 2.2 it says "Each season the team wins 20+ games and/or reaches postseason play, the term of this agreement shall automatically be extended by one year."

So, his term was extended through 2018-19 with those two 20-win seasons? Am I missing anything somewhere else?

Here's the contract, if anyone's curious: http://www.annarbor.com/Rob-Murphy-contr...ension.pdf
That's interesting. Maybe that is why Murphy likes too many cupcakes during preseason.

It's also interesting that the Athletic Department is going to start controlling our schedule in the future. I wonder if the contract States 20+ wins against D1?

Now you're spreading alternative facts. Murphy has been vocal about hating the cupcake games. That's entirely on Lyke trying to save money and the MAC forcing teams to play a certain amount of non-con home games.

I wonder the same thing about that note in the contract as well. Is there a smaller buyout then? I don't know.

Indeed.

We've already tilled this ground.

We must have a min. I believe of 15 home games so we schedule whom we can afford.

We can't afford 6 D-I teams.
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(02-08-2017 12:04 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:50 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:48 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 11:36 AM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  
(02-08-2017 10:39 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I could be wrong, Frank, but isn't this Murphy's last year on his contract?

I wasn't sure, so I googled it. You're right that the 2012 contract extension ends in 2016-2017. But I did a little reading and in section 2.2 it says "Each season the team wins 20+ games and/or reaches postseason play, the term of this agreement shall automatically be extended by one year."

So, his term was extended through 2018-19 with those two 20-win seasons? Am I missing anything somewhere else?

Here's the contract, if anyone's curious: http://www.annarbor.com/Rob-Murphy-contr...ension.pdf
That's interesting. Maybe that is why Murphy likes too many cupcakes during preseason.

It's also interesting that the Athletic Department is going to start controlling our schedule in the future. I wonder if the contract States 20+ wins against D1?

Now you're spreading alternative facts. Murphy has been vocal about hating the cupcake games. That's entirely on Lyke trying to save money and the MAC forcing teams to play a certain amount of non-con home games.

I wonder the same thing about that note in the contract as well. Is there a smaller buyout then? I don't know.

Indeed.

We've already tilled this ground.

We must have a min. I believe of 15 home games so we schedule whom we can afford.

We can't afford 6 D-I teams.
I am not sure exactly how the scheduling is generated but I did hear first hand recently that the Athletic Department is going to control the future schedules. I did not get the details but the gist of it was Murphy has more control of the schedule. Of course if he only gets so much money to work with then he can only schedule the lesser teams.

When the AD takes control there's more flexibility in scheduling home and home with similar G5 programs plus when a school visits UofM for example maybe they play us before or shortly thereafter since they're in town.
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Then either Murphy flat-out lied in the press conference where he complained about having to play so many non-D1 games, or your first-hand hearing of stuff, without any details, is inaccurate.
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