(02-01-2017 05:59 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:55 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  And when you think it's over FAU add another player.
Juco and former Under Amour All American.

name?

I think the name's Joey Palmer. He's a 9th ranked OT in the nation out of Butler Community College (Oklahoma).

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

(02-01-2017 11:08 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:59 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:55 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  And when you think it's over FAU add another player.
Juco and former Under Amour All American.

name?

I think the name's Joey Palmer. He's a 9th ranked OT in the nation out of Butler Community College (Oklahoma).

A pretty good offer list. Had an offer from Louisville. I don't know if I'd sign with UL but I'd sure as **** take an official visit there.

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

(02-02-2017 03:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

They may be. Tech would be as well! I am very interested to see WKU next season. I assume Brohm called plays? He is going to be tough to replace. Not envious at all of that situation. I am envious of the back to back titles! Who will be play caller this season at WKU?

I'm just glad it's over.

I"m more interested in hoops recruiting. Always have been.

But I'm a rarity in these parts.

(02-02-2017 03:27 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

They may be. Tech would be as well! I am very interested to see WKU next season. I assume Brohm called plays? He is going to be tough to replace. Not envious at all of that situation. I am envious of the back to back titles! Who will be play caller this season at WKU?

The returning starter is Mike White who put up tremendous numbers this year only slightly behind Doughty's senior season. The problem is that there are rumors Brohm is trying to not only steal him to Purdue but also a kid who redshirted last year named Duncan that is the eventual replacement for White.

He just stole our best linebacker in TJ McCollum. Lot of ill feelings towards Brohm right now. Not because he left. They all do that. He got some hate over flipping kids from Western to Purdue. Taking returning players seems to have crossed a line with a lot of the fans.

Brohm is not a fiery recruiter. He came in 14 out of 14 in the B1G. So he appears to be desperate. And that made him willing to do what may not be illegal (could be if he had contact with TJ during dead periods) but certainly hasn't been received well in BG.

(02-02-2017 04:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:27 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

They may be. Tech would be as well! I am very interested to see WKU next season. I assume Brohm called plays? He is going to be tough to replace. Not envious at all of that situation. I am envious of the back to back titles! Who will be play caller this season at WKU?

The returning starter is Mike White who put up tremendous numbers this year only slightly behind Doughty's senior season. The problem is that there are rumors Brohm is trying to not only steal him to Purdue but also a kid who redshirted last year named Duncan that is the eventual replacement for White.

He just stole our best linebacker in TJ McCollum. Lot of ill feelings towards Brohm right now. Not because he left. They all do that. He got some hate over flipping kids from Western to Purdue. Taking returning players seems to have crossed a line with a lot of the fans.

Brohm is not a fiery recruiter. He came in 14 out of 14 in the B1G. So he appears to be desperate. And that made him willing to do what may not be illegal (could be if he had contact with TJ during dead periods) but certainly hasn't been received well in BG.

Sucks that the P5 can recruit off of our teams.

Believe it or not, we even lost a couple to BAMA in the past.

Saw that North Carolina AP Defensive Player of the Year flipped form NC State to Marshall. Congratulations Herd! He's from my alma mater, so I keep up with the goings on (same program that produced Dexter Lawrence (Clemson) and Bryce Love (Stanford)). Cougar Pride!

(02-01-2017 11:08 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:59 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:55 PM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  And when you think it's over FAU add another player.
Juco and former Under Amour All American.

name?

I think the name's Joey Palmer. He's a 9th ranked OT in the nation out of Butler Community College (Oklahoma).

Looks like a solid player.

Most prudent Herd fans have learned to disregard any of this until fall camp gets to game week prep, because half will never see the field.

(02-02-2017 04:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:27 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

They may be. Tech would be as well! I am very interested to see WKU next season. I assume Brohm called plays? He is going to be tough to replace. Not envious at all of that situation. I am envious of the back to back titles! Who will be play caller this season at WKU?

The returning starter is Mike White who put up tremendous numbers this year only slightly behind Doughty's senior season. The problem is that there are rumors Brohm is trying to not only steal him to Purdue but also a kid who redshirted last year named Duncan that is the eventual replacement for White.

He just stole our best linebacker in TJ McCollum. Lot of ill feelings towards Brohm right now. Not because he left. They all do that. He got some hate over flipping kids from Western to Purdue. Taking returning players seems to have crossed a line with a lot of the fans.

Brohm is not a fiery recruiter. He came in 14 out of 14 in the B1G. So he appears to be desperate. And that made him willing to do what may not be illegal (could be if he had contact with TJ during dead periods) but certainly hasn't been received well in BG.

Wow I haven't follow that closely. Is White set to graduate? McCollum I assume is a g assuage transfer? Incredible

(02-03-2017 06:45 AM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 04:14 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:27 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 03:07 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

So they're screwed?

They may be. Tech would be as well! I am very interested to see WKU next season. I assume Brohm called plays? He is going to be tough to replace. Not envious at all of that situation. I am envious of the back to back titles! Who will be play caller this season at WKU?

The returning starter is Mike White who put up tremendous numbers this year only slightly behind Doughty's senior season. The problem is that there are rumors Brohm is trying to not only steal him to Purdue but also a kid who redshirted last year named Duncan that is the eventual replacement for White.

He just stole our best linebacker in TJ McCollum. Lot of ill feelings towards Brohm right now. Not because he left. They all do that. He got some hate over flipping kids from Western to Purdue. Taking returning players seems to have crossed a line with a lot of the fans.

Brohm is not a fiery recruiter. He came in 14 out of 14 in the B1G. So he appears to be desperate. And that made him willing to do what may not be illegal (could be if he had contact with TJ during dead periods) but certainly hasn't been received well in BG.

Wow I haven't follow that closely. Is White set to graduate? McCollum I assume is a g assuage transfer? Incredible

WHite will be an upcoming senior....McCollum is a grad transfer...Wouldn't be shocked if Purdue takes a couple more of our guys...

(02-02-2017 05:13 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  Saw that North Carolina AP Defensive Player of the Year flipped form NC State to Marshall. Congratulations Herd! He's from my alma mater, so I keep up with the goings on (same program that produced Dexter Lawrence (Clemson) and Bryce Love (Stanford)). Cougar Pride!

Very good player, congrats. He'll need to sit out a year to bring his grades up first though:

Darius Hodge linebacker ends up at Marshall after academic issue

Ah darn it. "The ACC does not allow its schools to accept non-qualifiers and Conference USA does."

I am not sure if that's true may be on the contrary it doesn't stop schools from taking them. Don't want to stir the pot but what all schools in our conference take non-qualified kids?

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle...rylink=cpy

I believe what the article is eluding to is there is no conference rule preventing it as they do in the ACC.

In C-USA, some schools have policies against and for. I don't know each school's policy. At Middle Tennessee, we do not accept NQ's as a matter of practice which has been in place since 2005. The President and head coach have said they have no interest in changing this but also said it's not set in stone and that if there was a compelling reason to consider a recruit who did not qualify they would do so on a case by case basis. To date going back 12 years no such examples have come to fruition. I believe Stockstill generally just doesn't even recruit kids that have yet to qualify academically.

This discussion shockingly has happened before. If you want to revisit...
http://csnbbs.com/thread-693697.html

REALLY pleased with USM's class of signees. This Spring will highly a few.

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

Good post Collin, rankings at this level are meaningless. Recruiting players where the team is thin; also finding athletic players that are under the radar or underdeveloped and developing those players is more important.

(02-05-2017 12:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(02-02-2017 02:33 PM)Collin_Ellis Wrote:  

(02-01-2017 05:58 PM)zharkins Wrote:  The last 5 recruiting classes at...
WKU = 7, 8, 6, 11, and 6.
Marshall = 3, 1, 1, 1, and 1.

Maybe rankings mean something at a high P5 level, but at this level, it is meaningless.

You are dead on. Probably outside of the top 15-20 classes (which are the same schools year after year) it's a crap shoot and it becomes way more about developing/game planning along with the mental state of a bunch of 18-22 year olds. Who knows what they are thinking! Also you have to have a really good QB at this level. If UTEP has top notch QB play along with dynamic play calling next year they will be competing for the CUSA title despite the low recruiting rankings. WKU has had just that the past 2 seasons and look where they are.

IMO, looking at Tech's class we fell short in recruiting the LB position but did great recruiting the secondary. IF J'Mar Smith plays well the next 3 seasons I have no doubt we will be A team to beat in CUSA.

Good post Collin, rankings at this level are meaningless. Recruiting players where the team is thin; also finding athletic players that are under the radar or underdeveloped and developing those players is more important.

We had a good run because we had Cato, Johnson, and Shuler. We don't have any player development here, anymore. So recruits are important but coaching them up and preparing for opponents is a bigger piece of the puzzle. Something Brohm did well and Doc does not. It's really that simple. When Pruett coached here during the transition to 1-A (FBS),1995-2002, we likely didn't have any stars on most of our players but 10-win seasons were a disappointment. We had good development, redshirted with purpose, and were prepped for whomever we were playing. Snyder years were mediocre talent and mediocre development and prep, Doc years are better than average players with below average development and prep. Clearly development and prep are key.