(01-28-2017 07:22 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 02:42 PM)cmt Wrote:  UTM Medical school is here.

We should concentrate on other types of more cutting edge academics. The world is in need of lots of educated people in fields ew barely understand yet. The University of Memphis should be trying its best to figure out the next big thing and jump on that. Why fight with UTM? The University of Memphis supplies a good percentage of undergrads into the UTM programs already.

I guess you didn't really read the post ... "it was about what will it take." The medical school that you're referring too is called The UT Health Science Center. It changed its name from UT-Memphis several years ago.

You sound a little defensive. Are you a UTHSC aspirant? Personally, I don't think that it would hurt the Memphis metropolitan area to have another medical. Additionally, I don't think that it would hurt The UofM image wise. Universities with medical tend to receive a little more approbation (i.e., Tulane, SMU, Rice) than 4 year institutions that do not ... .

Not defensive and not an aspirant at all, whatever that comment was for, way too old to aspire to go to medical school lol. We live in Memphis, which is also in Tennessee. I think the state (we're part of that too, you know) should strive to make UT in Memphis "UTHSC" as great as possible (good for Memphis and the state) Weakening the whole by adding another in town seems wasteful, small-minded and selfish. There are plenty of other needed academic "aspirations" that the University of Memphis could pursue other than duplicating what is already here, splitting resources and fighting over territory.

BTW, someone can say something you don't agree with without being defensive. Just saying.

How about in Jackson? Lambuth campus ...... ding ding ding ding

(01-29-2017 11:42 AM)MemphisRob Wrote:  How about in Jackson? Lambuth campus ...... ding ding ding ding

Partner with this hospital - Jackson-Madison Co. General Hospital. Already established public hospital.

(01-28-2017 07:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 01:58 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  I've always been wondered why we (i.e., The University of Memphis) doesn't have a medical school?

The UofM is located in a city where biomedical research and development is a major industry; has a plethora of major medical providers ... St. Jude, Baptist, Methodist, and St. Francis; but only one medical school. By contrast, Nashville has three ... Vanderbilt, Fisk, and Meharry ...

If you want another medical school in Memphis, you need to hope a private school is founded (or Rhodes or CBU added) and partners with St. Jude or something. Cuz it makes no sense for the U of M to have one when there is already a state school here.

Hate to say it, but I agree. Memphis is not large enough to justify having more than one public med school. Also, the private schools (Christian Brothers and Rhodes) probably don't have the financial wherewithal to start one.

Rhodes is also extremely undergrad-centric.

(01-28-2017 07:29 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 05:22 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Ohhh bout $500M.

Why, got some extra cash lyin' around?

Sorry, I'm just a lowly graduate student ... LOL. I just get tired of seeing us (i.e., The UofM) roasted every time sports columnists start talking about candidates for addition into one of the top five division 1 football conferences ... .

All of the power 5 teams are tier 1 universities. We're tier 2. A med school is highly unlikely, so we should focus on what can be done to move us up to tier 1 status.

(01-29-2017 02:55 PM)jamgut Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 07:29 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 05:22 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Ohhh bout $500M.

Why, got some extra cash lyin' around?

Sorry, I'm just a lowly graduate student ... LOL. I just get tired of seeing us (i.e., The UofM) roasted every time sports columnists start talking about candidates for addition into one of the top five division 1 football conferences ... .

All of the power 5 teams are tier 1 universities. We're tier 2. A med school is highly unlikely, so we should focus on what can be done to move us up to tier 1 status.

In your opinion, what do you think that it will take for The University of Memphis to become a "Tier 1" university?

Be mindful, however, that we do not have the luxury of time. Consequently, whatever direction you propose must yield the desired result within a relatively short period of time ...

Shirley Raines wanted the U of M to become a top research university. The biggest obstacle? $$$$ Then the Board of Regents at the time. Granted, the new School of Nursing is impressive, but the Executive Masters Program and the Fed Ex Center of Technology have been big improvements over the last 30 years.

We need to pursue new venues of study and be aggressive. Worked on establishing more Chairs of Excellence in existing academic programs...that will help raise our academic perception.

When college tuition became much more expensive, what, about 10 years ago, many parents decided Memphis was suddenly a more acceptable school for their children. We need to get away from the commuter school mentality as well. Realistically, all this can't be done overnight.

This would be a good partner.

https://www.stjude.org/education-trainin...ences.html

(01-29-2017 05:15 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-29-2017 02:55 PM)jamgut Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 07:29 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 05:22 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Ohhh bout $500M.

Why, got some extra cash lyin' around?

Sorry, I'm just a lowly graduate student ... LOL. I just get tired of seeing us (i.e., The UofM) roasted every time sports columnists start talking about candidates for addition into one of the top five division 1 football conferences ... .

All of the power 5 teams are tier 1 universities. We're tier 2. A med school is highly unlikely, so we should focus on what can be done to move us up to tier 1 status.

In your opinion, what do you think that it will take for The University of Memphis to become a "Tier 1" university?

Be mindful, however, that we do not have the luxury of time. Consequently, whatever direction you propose must yield the desired result within a relatively short period of time ...

Get into a P5 conference...

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(01-28-2017 09:18 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Our best hope is to do what the State of Georgia did with Augusta University. [1]

"On January 8, 2012, the Georgia Board of Regents unanimously approved the consolidation of Augusta State University and Georgia Health Sciences University.[13] Ricardo Azziz was appointed president of the new institution."

The big difference is that Georgia only has one board and one University doesn't carry all the weight.


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_University

Will take the elimination of a lot of politics. Our Science Park and Nursing School sit across Decatur Street in downtown Atlanta from Grady Hospital (fifth-largest public hospital in the United States, as well as one of the busiest Level I trauma centers in the country) and I don't see us getting a medical school any time soon.

I'm going to do these numbers off the top of my head.

ETSU department of IM has about 50-60 docs
ETSU entire college of medicine (including IM) 260~

UT Memphis department of IM has about 150 docs
UT Memphis college of medicine 750 docs this is a guess, don't want waste time looking it up.


These are incredibly small, with that smallest comes incredible disadvantages in acquiring research dollars. Neither school has a hospital (not really), I won't go into the problems with that. The state of TN low balled the setting up of their schools of medicine and has placed them in the position of forever being bottom tier.

Most state departments of Internal Medicine probably average around 600 docs.

Most state colleges of medicine probably average in the thousands of docs.

UNC department of IM has 400 docs

Duke department of IM has 800 docs

You figure that IM departments are about I/5 of a school and you can do the math

Vanderbilt is larger than Duke.

The research infrastructure costs alone would stagger the imagination.

St. Jude is an interesting idea, but I don't see them wanting to incur the additional costs and drain on their mission.

Now you can start a school of medicine, build a building, put up a sign. But most scenario's just set up that school vying for the bottom spot in research dollars not the top.

UT and ETSU's research dollars are near the bottom in US med schools. It doesn't mean they don't have good doctors or do good research, just that everything is stacked against them.

The Memphis medical along with state politics alone would be a knife fight.

Now if Buffet or Gates want to donate a billion dollars, then scrap what I just wrote.

Don't have time to write more.

(01-29-2017 10:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 09:18 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Our best hope is to do what the State of Georgia did with Augusta University. [1]

"On January 8, 2012, the Georgia Board of Regents unanimously approved the consolidation of Augusta State University and Georgia Health Sciences University.[13] Ricardo Azziz was appointed president of the new institution."

The big difference is that Georgia only has one board and one University doesn't carry all the weight.


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_University

Will take the elimination of a lot of politics. Our Science Park and Nursing School sit across Decatur Street in downtown Atlanta from Grady Hospital (fifth-largest public hospital in the United States, as well as one of the busiest Level I trauma centers in the country) and I don't see us getting a medical school any time soon.

Fun Fact: Grady died at Grady Hospital.

(01-30-2017 12:27 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  I'm going to do these numbers off the top of my head.

ETSU department of IM has about 50-60 docs
ETSU entire college of medicine (including IM) 260~

UT Memphis department of IM has about 150 docs
UT Memphis college of medicine 750 docs this is a guess, don't want waste time looking it up.


These are incredibly small, with that smallest comes incredible disadvantages in acquiring research dollars. Neither school has a hospital (not really), I won't go into the problems with that. The state of TN low balled the setting up of their schools of medicine and has placed them in the position of forever being bottom tier.

Most state departments of Internal Medicine probably average around 600 docs.

Most state colleges of medicine probably average in the thousands of docs.

UNC department of IM has 400 docs

Duke department of IM has 800 docs

You figure that IM departments are about I/5 of a school and you can do the math

Vanderbilt is larger than Duke.

The research infrastructure costs alone would stagger the imagination.

St. Jude is an interesting idea, but I don't see them wanting to incur the additional costs and drain on their mission.

Now you can start a school of medicine, build a building, put up a sign. But most scenario's just set up that school vying for the bottom spot in research dollars not the top.

UT and ETSU's research dollars are near the bottom in US med schools. It doesn't mean they don't have good doctors or do good research, just that everything is stacked against them.

The Memphis medical along with state politics alone would be a knife fight.

Now if Buffet or Gates want to donate a billion dollars, then scrap what I just wrote.

Don't have time to write more.

I wouldn't expect St. Jude to open a med school.

I'm saying a private entity would have to open a med school in Memphis and partner with St. Jude. That would be the only way Memphis gets another med school.

$500 million would not even scratch the surface towards building a medical school. All the size and competition arguement made here are valid.

We have and are expanding partnerships with UT Med and with St Jude. That will continue. But that's all we can hope for.

(01-28-2017 01:58 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  I've always been wondered why we (i.e., The University of Memphis) doesn't have a medical school?

The UofM is located in a city where biomedical research and development is a major industry; has a plethora of major medical providers ... St. Jude, Baptist, Methodist, and St. Francis; but only one medical school. By contrast, Nashville has three ... Vanderbilt, Fisk, and Meharry ...

I think it's more likely CBU or Rhodes get one, because they are private and independent of state interference and approval. Otherwise, it will take money. Even then, the state will likely c-block it.

(01-29-2017 12:34 PM)presskh Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 07:34 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 01:58 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  I've always been wondered why we (i.e., The University of Memphis) doesn't have a medical school?

The UofM is located in a city where biomedical research and development is a major industry; has a plethora of major medical providers ... St. Jude, Baptist, Methodist, and St. Francis; but only one medical school. By contrast, Nashville has three ... Vanderbilt, Fisk, and Meharry ...

If you want another medical school in Memphis, you need to hope a private school is founded (or Rhodes or CBU added) and partners with St. Jude or something. Cuz it makes no sense for the U of M to have one when there is already a state school here.

Hate to say it, but I agree. Memphis is not large enough to justify having more than one public med school. Also, the private schools (Christian Brothers and Rhodes) probably don't have the financial wherewithal to start one.

The region is large enough for at least 2. I hate the limited focus of Rhodes, because I think if they were a full fledged research university, it would enhance the region, including the U of M. One of my moon shots has been to see Rhodes and CBU collaborate on schools of law and medicine, and see regional population of college students at all colleges in the region grow dramatically (ie double).

In the meantime, focus on STEAM fields at the U of M, as well as IP licensing. Maybe build a closer relationship with Southwest ( I recall discussions on this board about integrating students from high school, to U of M, with Southwest as a part of it). Is there a relationship with the Naval installation to help solve any problems they might face thru research grants? Build those ties, like they did with the Symphony, St. Jude, and I think Kitchen Community Gardens, among others. Students will be enhanced with real world practical application of their studies. I have faith in and support for the current leadership.

(01-30-2017 05:41 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 01:58 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  I've always been wondered why we (i.e., The University of Memphis) doesn't have a medical school?

The UofM is located in a city where biomedical research and development is a major industry; has a plethora of major medical providers ... St. Jude, Baptist, Methodist, and St. Francis; but only one medical school. By contrast, Nashville has three ... Vanderbilt, Fisk, and Meharry ...

I think it's more likely CBU or Rhodes get one, because they are private and independent of state interference and approval. Otherwise, it will take money. Even then, the state will likely c-block it.

CBU would have issue raising a football program, let alone a freaking medical school.

Rhodes isn't in the business of taking away from its undergrad focus.

(01-31-2017 12:14 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 05:41 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(01-28-2017 01:58 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  I've always been wondered why we (i.e., The University of Memphis) doesn't have a medical school?

The UofM is located in a city where biomedical research and development is a major industry; has a plethora of major medical providers ... St. Jude, Baptist, Methodist, and St. Francis; but only one medical school. By contrast, Nashville has three ... Vanderbilt, Fisk, and Meharry ...

I think it's more likely CBU or Rhodes get one, because they are private and independent of state interference and approval. Otherwise, it will take money. Even then, the state will likely c-block it.

CBU would have issue raising a football program, let alone a freaking medical school.

Rhodes isn't in the business of taking away from its undergrad focus.

This is a pie in the sky discussion. The question is, if a Walton died and left $3 billion to Rhodes or CBU to start a medical school, would either school be willing to do it?

Well we could certainly have an Osteopathic School of Medicine at UM
Hattiesburg has one, Chattanoona has one
No reason UM couldn't have one