(01-18-2017 05:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:02 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Of course recruiting players with multiple stars gets the alumni talking, but I don't put much stock in them. App seems to have a lot of luck recruiting players with few stars.

QB Taylor lamb - 2 stars .78 - Pretty decent QB
RB Marcus Cox - 2 stars .77 - Ditto - App career rushing leader
OLB Devan Stringer - 2 star .77 - started as True Sophomore - 3rd on team in tackles
CB Clifton Duck - 2 stars .75 - Sunbelt Freshman DPOY - USA Today & Football Writers Assn of America Freshman AA Teams
RB / KR Darrynton Evans - barely 2 stars .74 - lowest rated player in 2016 class - 22.5 yds per kick return - 815 All Purpose yards as a Freshman - All Bowl Team Special Teams Selection
ILB Eric Boggs - barely 2 Stars .73 - Started True Freshman - 2nd Team All Sunbelt - App leading tackler
OL Parker Collins - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
OL Colby Gossett - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
RB Jalin Moore - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Latrell Gibbs as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - 2016 Sunbelt Offensive POY
CB Latrell Gibbs - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Jalin Moore as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - Started as true freshman - 1st team All Sunbelt CB in '15 - 5th nationally in INT's

On the other hand
DB Treyon Garnette - 3 star .85 - couldn't get on field, left team
DB Anthony Covington - 3 star .85 - ditto
WR Jaylan Barbour - 3 star .85 - 11th on team in receptions
ATH Nikia Cathy - 3 star .84 - couldn't get on field, left team
RB Josh Boyd - 3 star .82 - back up entire career
RB Terrance Upshaw - 3 star .81 - back up entire career
TE Brandon Walton - 3 star .80 - couldn't get on field, left team

Exceptions to the rule. So was App last year btw. App was the ONLY team in the bottom half of the G5 as far as team talent to win a CC or share one anyway. Also one of very few to have a winning record. The star thing matters a lot for most teams even at our level. Only Navy that has no scholarship limit was probably the bigger outlier that App.


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...son-020116

But what annoys me to no end is the annual lazy narrative that the recruiting rankings at the center of Signing Day are meaningless. A favorite trick is to hold up someone like Houston Texans star J.J. Watt (former two-star recruit) or 2014 Heisman winner Marcus Mariota (three stars) as an indictment of the entire system. Or a school like Boise State that’s won at a high level or without a host of blue-chippers. Or Texas, which has essentially done the opposite.

But what these critics hold up as “evidence,” anyone with a basic understanding of statistics calls “outliers.”

Not an exception at all. The fact of the matter is very few players below 4 stars are sufficiently evaluated. When they are it's by some guy who has probably never snapped on a helmet on past Pop Warner sitting behind a computer screen watching tape. There are a ton of kids who can't make it to camps and never get the opportunity to show their skills. I put far more trust in an actual coach's decision to offer a young man based on what he has seen firsthand. App's staff has been masterful at finding diamonds in the rough at camps. You might could make a case App's coaches just work everyone else, but I don't think so. You could put a majority of 3 and 2 star rated players in a paper bag and dump them out without the stars attached and you couldn't tell a bit of difference. Of the 18 rated players (some played college before the star system was introduced) starting for last year's Super Bowl Champion Broncos, 8 were two star rated.

That is not true at all because most P5 rosters are majority three star kids and three star ratings especially high grade three stars are hard to get. That is what folks like to regurgitate but it is not true. You know little about the three star rating as a three star can be a top recruit with elite P5 offers or barely a three star and just recieving FCS. So yes a person that has never played football can tell a difference between a .894 and a .795 rated kid much less one that is only a two star kid because there is usually a huge difference on size, speed and or what they accomplished in high school. The fact you think the three star rating was a one size fits all tells me all I really need to know. Also the fact you think the guys rating these kids have no idea what they are looking at is also not true most have been doing it for years and are supervised by some guys that have been doing it for decades and many are former players and coaches.

Yep no difference between these top 3's and a two star kid

http://247sports.com/Player/Adarius-Lemons-85884

http://247sports.com/Player/Chuba-Hubbard-89471

for reference here is a kid that barely made the three star cut...Ray Charles can see the difference in the type of schools that are recruiting each and he is blind and dead.

http://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Reagins-92224

You should really let all those P5's like AL to quit wasting time on offering high rated three star kids. Also lets not get it twisted App has done well by Sun Belt standards but nobody is confusing you with Houston or Boise just yet. You shared the Sun Belt CC without playing a title game or playing the team you shared it with as well. My only point is you are the only team to have claim to a conference title being in the bottom half of the ratings one team out of 30 +/- proves my point not the other way around.

Also if you want to talk NFL it backs the rating system not disproves it at all. If you know anything about stats you know population sizes matter when talking about what rating NFL players were.

Look at Western Michigan's recruiting ranking the last 3 years . It's no accident that they were in the Cotton bowl. PJ Fleck isn't some coaching guru.

(01-17-2017 07:10 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 06:57 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  In a concerning, yet expected, development, UTA still has yet to sign anyone.

Your coaches are slackers!

It's like they have given up. Some say they have shown no signs of trying since 1985.

(01-18-2017 05:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Shawn Elliott GSU @CoachSElliott
Locked and loaded...just landed the trigger man!! #STATEment17 #AtownProwl #bethechange
5:33 PM - 18 Jan 2017


http://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Walker-78324

The future looks very bright with this class!
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-...hedule.php
I think 2018, with the stadium revamped, our schedule, and a conf Championship game, will be a special year!

(01-18-2017 09:58 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Shawn Elliott GSU @CoachSElliott
Locked and loaded...just landed the trigger man!! #STATEment17 #AtownProwl #bethechange
5:33 PM - 18 Jan 2017


http://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Walker-78324

The future looks very bright with this class!
http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-18/2018-...hedule.php
I think 2018, with the stadium revamped, our schedule, and a conf Championship game, will be a special year!

We better order steaks for the kids visiting this weekend.


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(01-18-2017 07:43 PM)glsjunior74 Wrote:  Look at Western Michigan's recruiting ranking the last 3 years . It's no accident that they were in the Cotton bowl. PJ Fleck isn't some coaching guru.

You might want to rethink that statement.
WMU hasn't exactly been filling the roster with high 3 star recruits.
Remember 80.00 is the miniimum 3 star rating.

2014: 28 players - 15 - 3 star / 13 - 2 star - Class Ave 79.90
2015: 27 players - 13 - 3 star / 14 - 2 star - Class Ave 80.40
2016: 27 players - 18 - 3 star / 9 - 2 star - Class Ave 81.54
2017: 15 commits so far - 80.06

Cotton Bowl Two Deep
QB: RS Sr - Terrell / 2012 78 2 star
RB: Jr Franklin 2014 79 2 star
WR: Davis Sr / 2013 74 2 star
WR: Thompson Sr / Transfer from D II Northwood University
Slot: Henry Sr / 2012 80 3 star
TE: Earnsberger Jr / Walk on
LT: Okafor Jr / 2014 85 3 star
LG: Day Sr / 2013 80 3 star
C: Keenoy So / 2015 83 3 star
RG: Juriga RFR / 2015 76 2 star
RT: Moton Sr / 2012 76 2 star

DE: Adams Sr / 2 stars 70
DT: Turner Jr / 2013 78 2 star
NG: Curle Sr / 2013 78 2 star
DE: Braster Jr / 2014 82 3 star
OLB: Spilane Jr / 2014 81 3 star
ILB: Bailey RJr / 2013 81 3 star
OLB: Brown Jr / 2014 78 2 star
CB: Phillips Jr / 2013 83 3 star
CB: Beal Sp / 2015 79 2 star
SS: Tranquill RFr / 87 3 star
FS: Ginwright RFr / 2015 .80 3 star

3 star: 10
2 star: 10
Walk on: 1
Transfer from D II: 1

Average rating for Cotton Bowl starting lineup: 79.45

(01-18-2017 05:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Shawn Elliott GSU @CoachSElliott
Locked and loaded...just landed the trigger man!! #STATEment17 #AtownProwl #bethechange
5:33 PM - 18 Jan 2017


http://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Walker-78324

His 2 offers were Akron and FAU?

(01-18-2017 10:39 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:57 PM)panama Wrote:  Shawn Elliott GSU @CoachSElliott
Locked and loaded...just landed the trigger man!! #STATEment17 #AtownProwl #bethechange
5:33 PM - 18 Jan 2017


http://247sports.com/Player/Jack-Walker-78324

His 2 offers were Akron and FAU?

Plus Miami (FL), South Alabama, & Troy

Smart kid, running from Lane Kiffin.

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(01-18-2017 11:36 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  Smart kid, running from Lane Kiffin.

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He committed at FAU to our current OC. Not surprising we flipped him.


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Didn't know that. I still like my story better that kids are staying away from Kiffin.

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Nice narrative but...

http://fau.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Commits


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(01-18-2017 11:44 PM)panama Wrote:  Nice narrative but...

http://fau.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Commits


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It's called joking, not serious, sarcasm, etc...

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(01-18-2017 06:24 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:02 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Of course recruiting players with multiple stars gets the alumni talking, but I don't put much stock in them. App seems to have a lot of luck recruiting players with few stars.

QB Taylor lamb - 2 stars .78 - Pretty decent QB
RB Marcus Cox - 2 stars .77 - Ditto - App career rushing leader
OLB Devan Stringer - 2 star .77 - started as True Sophomore - 3rd on team in tackles
CB Clifton Duck - 2 stars .75 - Sunbelt Freshman DPOY - USA Today & Football Writers Assn of America Freshman AA Teams
RB / KR Darrynton Evans - barely 2 stars .74 - lowest rated player in 2016 class - 22.5 yds per kick return - 815 All Purpose yards as a Freshman - All Bowl Team Special Teams Selection
ILB Eric Boggs - barely 2 Stars .73 - Started True Freshman - 2nd Team All Sunbelt - App leading tackler
OL Parker Collins - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
OL Colby Gossett - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
RB Jalin Moore - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Latrell Gibbs as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - 2016 Sunbelt Offensive POY
CB Latrell Gibbs - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Jalin Moore as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - Started as true freshman - 1st team All Sunbelt CB in '15 - 5th nationally in INT's

On the other hand
DB Treyon Garnette - 3 star .85 - couldn't get on field, left team
DB Anthony Covington - 3 star .85 - ditto
WR Jaylan Barbour - 3 star .85 - 11th on team in receptions
ATH Nikia Cathy - 3 star .84 - couldn't get on field, left team
RB Josh Boyd - 3 star .82 - back up entire career
RB Terrance Upshaw - 3 star .81 - back up entire career
TE Brandon Walton - 3 star .80 - couldn't get on field, left team

Exceptions to the rule. So was App last year btw. App was the ONLY team in the bottom half of the G5 as far as team talent to win a CC or share one anyway. Also one of very few to have a winning record. The star thing matters a lot for most teams even at our level. Only Navy that has no scholarship limit was probably the bigger outlier that App.


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...son-020116

But what annoys me to no end is the annual lazy narrative that the recruiting rankings at the center of Signing Day are meaningless. A favorite trick is to hold up someone like Houston Texans star J.J. Watt (former two-star recruit) or 2014 Heisman winner Marcus Mariota (three stars) as an indictment of the entire system. Or a school like Boise State that’s won at a high level or without a host of blue-chippers. Or Texas, which has essentially done the opposite.

But what these critics hold up as “evidence,” anyone with a basic understanding of statistics calls “outliers.”

Not an exception at all. The fact of the matter is very few players below 4 stars are sufficiently evaluated. When they are it's by some guy who has probably never snapped on a helmet on past Pop Warner sitting behind a computer screen watching tape. There are a ton of kids who can't make it to camps and never get the opportunity to show their skills. I put far more trust in an actual coach's decision to offer a young man based on what he has seen firsthand. App's staff has been masterful at finding diamonds in the rough at camps. You might could make a case App's coaches just work everyone else, but I don't think so. You could put a majority of 3 and 2 star rated players in a paper bag and dump them out without the stars attached and you couldn't tell a bit of difference. Of the 18 rated players (some played college before the star system was introduced) starting for last year's Super Bowl Champion Broncos, 8 were two star rated.

That is not true at all because most P5 rosters are majority three star kids and three star ratings especially high grade three stars are hard to get. That is what folks like to regurgitate but it is not true. You know little about the three star rating as a three star can be a top recruit with elite P5 offers or barely a three star and just recieving FCS. So yes a person that has never played football can tell a difference between a .894 and a .795 rated kid much less one that is only a two star kid because there is usually a huge difference on size, speed and or what they accomplished in high school. The fact you think the three star rating was a one size fits all tells me all I really need to know. Also the fact you think the guys rating these kids have no idea what they are looking at is also not true most have been doing it for years and are supervised by some guys that have been doing it for decades and many are former players and coaches.

Yep no difference between these top 3's and a two star kid

http://247sports.com/Player/Adarius-Lemons-85884

http://247sports.com/Player/Chuba-Hubbard-89471

for reference here is a kid that barely made the three star cut...Ray Charles can see the difference in the type of schools that are recruiting each and he is blind and dead.

http://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Reagins-92224

You should really let all those P5's like AL to quit wasting time on offering high rated three star kids. Also lets not get it twisted App has done well by Sun Belt standards but nobody is confusing you with Houston or Boise just yet. You shared the Sun Belt CC without playing a title game or playing the team you shared it with as well. My only point is you are the only team to have claim to a conference title being in the bottom half of the ratings one team out of 30 +/- proves my point not the other way around.

Also if you want to talk NFL it backs the rating system not disproves it at all. If you know anything about stats you know population sizes matter when talking about what rating NFL players were.

OK Einstein. So, population now helps to determine a player's rating? That's one I've not heard in my 35+ years of following recruiting. Guess that's why DeShaun Watson garnered 4 star status coming out of that major metropolitan area Gainesville.GA, population 35,000. Stats and math do NOT determine a players ability. A lot of really good players play on really bad teams. A WR can't catch balls if he doesn't have a QB who can throw it to him. A RB can't make a ton of yards unless he has a line. You're just like so many other guys who fancy them self as a self proclaimed recruiting guru. Mostly a bunch of facts and figures that amount to nothing.

(01-19-2017 10:37 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 06:24 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:02 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Of course recruiting players with multiple stars gets the alumni talking, but I don't put much stock in them. App seems to have a lot of luck recruiting players with few stars.

QB Taylor lamb - 2 stars .78 - Pretty decent QB
RB Marcus Cox - 2 stars .77 - Ditto - App career rushing leader
OLB Devan Stringer - 2 star .77 - started as True Sophomore - 3rd on team in tackles
CB Clifton Duck - 2 stars .75 - Sunbelt Freshman DPOY - USA Today & Football Writers Assn of America Freshman AA Teams
RB / KR Darrynton Evans - barely 2 stars .74 - lowest rated player in 2016 class - 22.5 yds per kick return - 815 All Purpose yards as a Freshman - All Bowl Team Special Teams Selection
ILB Eric Boggs - barely 2 Stars .73 - Started True Freshman - 2nd Team All Sunbelt - App leading tackler
OL Parker Collins - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
OL Colby Gossett - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
RB Jalin Moore - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Latrell Gibbs as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - 2016 Sunbelt Offensive POY
CB Latrell Gibbs - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Jalin Moore as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - Started as true freshman - 1st team All Sunbelt CB in '15 - 5th nationally in INT's

On the other hand
DB Treyon Garnette - 3 star .85 - couldn't get on field, left team
DB Anthony Covington - 3 star .85 - ditto
WR Jaylan Barbour - 3 star .85 - 11th on team in receptions
ATH Nikia Cathy - 3 star .84 - couldn't get on field, left team
RB Josh Boyd - 3 star .82 - back up entire career
RB Terrance Upshaw - 3 star .81 - back up entire career
TE Brandon Walton - 3 star .80 - couldn't get on field, left team

Exceptions to the rule. So was App last year btw. App was the ONLY team in the bottom half of the G5 as far as team talent to win a CC or share one anyway. Also one of very few to have a winning record. The star thing matters a lot for most teams even at our level. Only Navy that has no scholarship limit was probably the bigger outlier that App.


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...son-020116

But what annoys me to no end is the annual lazy narrative that the recruiting rankings at the center of Signing Day are meaningless. A favorite trick is to hold up someone like Houston Texans star J.J. Watt (former two-star recruit) or 2014 Heisman winner Marcus Mariota (three stars) as an indictment of the entire system. Or a school like Boise State that’s won at a high level or without a host of blue-chippers. Or Texas, which has essentially done the opposite.

But what these critics hold up as “evidence,” anyone with a basic understanding of statistics calls “outliers.”

Not an exception at all. The fact of the matter is very few players below 4 stars are sufficiently evaluated. When they are it's by some guy who has probably never snapped on a helmet on past Pop Warner sitting behind a computer screen watching tape. There are a ton of kids who can't make it to camps and never get the opportunity to show their skills. I put far more trust in an actual coach's decision to offer a young man based on what he has seen firsthand. App's staff has been masterful at finding diamonds in the rough at camps. You might could make a case App's coaches just work everyone else, but I don't think so. You could put a majority of 3 and 2 star rated players in a paper bag and dump them out without the stars attached and you couldn't tell a bit of difference. Of the 18 rated players (some played college before the star system was introduced) starting for last year's Super Bowl Champion Broncos, 8 were two star rated.

That is not true at all because most P5 rosters are majority three star kids and three star ratings especially high grade three stars are hard to get. That is what folks like to regurgitate but it is not true. You know little about the three star rating as a three star can be a top recruit with elite P5 offers or barely a three star and just recieving FCS. So yes a person that has never played football can tell a difference between a .894 and a .795 rated kid much less one that is only a two star kid because there is usually a huge difference on size, speed and or what they accomplished in high school. The fact you think the three star rating was a one size fits all tells me all I really need to know. Also the fact you think the guys rating these kids have no idea what they are looking at is also not true most have been doing it for years and are supervised by some guys that have been doing it for decades and many are former players and coaches.

Yep no difference between these top 3's and a two star kid

http://247sports.com/Player/Adarius-Lemons-85884

http://247sports.com/Player/Chuba-Hubbard-89471

for reference here is a kid that barely made the three star cut...Ray Charles can see the difference in the type of schools that are recruiting each and he is blind and dead.

http://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Reagins-92224

You should really let all those P5's like AL to quit wasting time on offering high rated three star kids. Also lets not get it twisted App has done well by Sun Belt standards but nobody is confusing you with Houston or Boise just yet. You shared the Sun Belt CC without playing a title game or playing the team you shared it with as well. My only point is you are the only team to have claim to a conference title being in the bottom half of the ratings one team out of 30 +/- proves my point not the other way around.

Also if you want to talk NFL it backs the rating system not disproves it at all. If you know anything about stats you know population sizes matter when talking about what rating NFL players were.

OK Einstein. So, population now helps to determine a player's rating? That's one I've not heard in my 35+ years of following recruiting. Guess that's why DeShaun Watson garnered 4 star status coming out of that major metropolitan area Gainesville.GA, population 35,000. Stats and math do NOT determine a players ability. A lot of really good players play on really bad teams. A WR can't catch balls if he doesn't have a QB who can throw it to him. A RB can't make a ton of yards unless he has a line. You're just like so many other guys who fancy them self as a self proclaimed recruiting guru. Mostly a bunch of facts and figures that amount to nothing.

LOL...Einstein...

I'm sure that poster will be here shortly to disembowel you, but he clearly meant that the high population of 2-stars (they are BY FAR the biggest group in the star levels) will ensure that a number of them end up on NFL teams and Super Bowl squads. It's numbers.

Elliot in a short time has done an excellent job on his first class.

(01-19-2017 10:44 AM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 10:37 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 06:24 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:02 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Exceptions to the rule. So was App last year btw. App was the ONLY team in the bottom half of the G5 as far as team talent to win a CC or share one anyway. Also one of very few to have a winning record. The star thing matters a lot for most teams even at our level. Only Navy that has no scholarship limit was probably the bigger outlier that App.


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...son-020116

But what annoys me to no end is the annual lazy narrative that the recruiting rankings at the center of Signing Day are meaningless. A favorite trick is to hold up someone like Houston Texans star J.J. Watt (former two-star recruit) or 2014 Heisman winner Marcus Mariota (three stars) as an indictment of the entire system. Or a school like Boise State that’s won at a high level or without a host of blue-chippers. Or Texas, which has essentially done the opposite.

But what these critics hold up as “evidence,” anyone with a basic understanding of statistics calls “outliers.”

Not an exception at all. The fact of the matter is very few players below 4 stars are sufficiently evaluated. When they are it's by some guy who has probably never snapped on a helmet on past Pop Warner sitting behind a computer screen watching tape. There are a ton of kids who can't make it to camps and never get the opportunity to show their skills. I put far more trust in an actual coach's decision to offer a young man based on what he has seen firsthand. App's staff has been masterful at finding diamonds in the rough at camps. You might could make a case App's coaches just work everyone else, but I don't think so. You could put a majority of 3 and 2 star rated players in a paper bag and dump them out without the stars attached and you couldn't tell a bit of difference. Of the 18 rated players (some played college before the star system was introduced) starting for last year's Super Bowl Champion Broncos, 8 were two star rated.

That is not true at all because most P5 rosters are majority three star kids and three star ratings especially high grade three stars are hard to get. That is what folks like to regurgitate but it is not true. You know little about the three star rating as a three star can be a top recruit with elite P5 offers or barely a three star and just recieving FCS. So yes a person that has never played football can tell a difference between a .894 and a .795 rated kid much less one that is only a two star kid because there is usually a huge difference on size, speed and or what they accomplished in high school. The fact you think the three star rating was a one size fits all tells me all I really need to know. Also the fact you think the guys rating these kids have no idea what they are looking at is also not true most have been doing it for years and are supervised by some guys that have been doing it for decades and many are former players and coaches.

Yep no difference between these top 3's and a two star kid

http://247sports.com/Player/Adarius-Lemons-85884

http://247sports.com/Player/Chuba-Hubbard-89471

for reference here is a kid that barely made the three star cut...Ray Charles can see the difference in the type of schools that are recruiting each and he is blind and dead.

http://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Reagins-92224

You should really let all those P5's like AL to quit wasting time on offering high rated three star kids. Also lets not get it twisted App has done well by Sun Belt standards but nobody is confusing you with Houston or Boise just yet. You shared the Sun Belt CC without playing a title game or playing the team you shared it with as well. My only point is you are the only team to have claim to a conference title being in the bottom half of the ratings one team out of 30 +/- proves my point not the other way around.

Also if you want to talk NFL it backs the rating system not disproves it at all. If you know anything about stats you know population sizes matter when talking about what rating NFL players were.

OK Einstein. So, population now helps to determine a player's rating? That's one I've not heard in my 35+ years of following recruiting. Guess that's why DeShaun Watson garnered 4 star status coming out of that major metropolitan area Gainesville.GA, population 35,000. Stats and math do NOT determine a players ability. A lot of really good players play on really bad teams. A WR can't catch balls if he doesn't have a QB who can throw it to him. A RB can't make a ton of yards unless he has a line. You're just like so many other guys who fancy them self as a self proclaimed recruiting guru. Mostly a bunch of facts and figures that amount to nothing.

LOL...Einstein...

I'm sure that poster will be here shortly to disembowel you, but he clearly meant that the high population of 2-stars (they are BY FAR the biggest group in the star levels) will ensure that a number of them end up on NFL teams and Super Bowl squads. It's numbers.

Exactly
Don't know why people want to fight recruiting systems so much. They've been around for a long time now and the body of evidence that they know what they're doing is considerable.

(01-18-2017 05:45 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Recruiting rankings and winning -- correlation or causation?

Take a high school kid and tell the scouting services he's deciding between Alabama, Georgia & Florida State. Automatic 4 stars at least. Take that exact same kid and tell them he's deciding between Idaho, Montana and New Mexico State. 2 stars, maybe 3 if he really, really stands out. And hey, that first group of schools wins a lot more than the 2nd group, so the ranking services must be great.

I've seen tons of guys get downgraded as soon as they sign with Idaho. And the services are right to be suddenly suspicious -- if the guy is so great, why isn't he going to a better program? But that doesn't mean they're actually "evaluating talent." They're just playing the odds.

Are you sure you're seeing player rankings get downgraded? Two and three star players don't get reevaluated very often unless they suddenly get a top-rated offer and then they're moving up. Perhaps what you saw was other recruiting service ratings being added into a composite score and changing how your player was scored.Usually when someone commits anywhere, the staff at 247 will go look for other service rankings and add them into the player's composite.

(01-19-2017 10:58 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Elliot in a short time has done an excellent job on his first class.

If these guys can actually coach in games, things could get interesting.

(01-19-2017 10:37 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 06:24 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 05:05 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(01-18-2017 01:02 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-17-2017 08:15 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Of course recruiting players with multiple stars gets the alumni talking, but I don't put much stock in them. App seems to have a lot of luck recruiting players with few stars.

QB Taylor lamb - 2 stars .78 - Pretty decent QB
RB Marcus Cox - 2 stars .77 - Ditto - App career rushing leader
OLB Devan Stringer - 2 star .77 - started as True Sophomore - 3rd on team in tackles
CB Clifton Duck - 2 stars .75 - Sunbelt Freshman DPOY - USA Today & Football Writers Assn of America Freshman AA Teams
RB / KR Darrynton Evans - barely 2 stars .74 - lowest rated player in 2016 class - 22.5 yds per kick return - 815 All Purpose yards as a Freshman - All Bowl Team Special Teams Selection
ILB Eric Boggs - barely 2 Stars .73 - Started True Freshman - 2nd Team All Sunbelt - App leading tackler
OL Parker Collins - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
OL Colby Gossett - barely 2 star .70 - 1st Team All Sunbelt
RB Jalin Moore - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Latrell Gibbs as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - 2016 Sunbelt Offensive POY
CB Latrell Gibbs - barely 2 stars .70 (tied with Jalin Moore as lowest rated recruit in '14 class) - Started as true freshman - 1st team All Sunbelt CB in '15 - 5th nationally in INT's

On the other hand
DB Treyon Garnette - 3 star .85 - couldn't get on field, left team
DB Anthony Covington - 3 star .85 - ditto
WR Jaylan Barbour - 3 star .85 - 11th on team in receptions
ATH Nikia Cathy - 3 star .84 - couldn't get on field, left team
RB Josh Boyd - 3 star .82 - back up entire career
RB Terrance Upshaw - 3 star .81 - back up entire career
TE Brandon Walton - 3 star .80 - couldn't get on field, left team

Exceptions to the rule. So was App last year btw. App was the ONLY team in the bottom half of the G5 as far as team talent to win a CC or share one anyway. Also one of very few to have a winning record. The star thing matters a lot for most teams even at our level. Only Navy that has no scholarship limit was probably the bigger outlier that App.


http://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footbal...tComposite

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...son-020116

But what annoys me to no end is the annual lazy narrative that the recruiting rankings at the center of Signing Day are meaningless. A favorite trick is to hold up someone like Houston Texans star J.J. Watt (former two-star recruit) or 2014 Heisman winner Marcus Mariota (three stars) as an indictment of the entire system. Or a school like Boise State that’s won at a high level or without a host of blue-chippers. Or Texas, which has essentially done the opposite.

But what these critics hold up as “evidence,” anyone with a basic understanding of statistics calls “outliers.”

Not an exception at all. The fact of the matter is very few players below 4 stars are sufficiently evaluated. When they are it's by some guy who has probably never snapped on a helmet on past Pop Warner sitting behind a computer screen watching tape. There are a ton of kids who can't make it to camps and never get the opportunity to show their skills. I put far more trust in an actual coach's decision to offer a young man based on what he has seen firsthand. App's staff has been masterful at finding diamonds in the rough at camps. You might could make a case App's coaches just work everyone else, but I don't think so. You could put a majority of 3 and 2 star rated players in a paper bag and dump them out without the stars attached and you couldn't tell a bit of difference. Of the 18 rated players (some played college before the star system was introduced) starting for last year's Super Bowl Champion Broncos, 8 were two star rated.

That is not true at all because most P5 rosters are majority three star kids and three star ratings especially high grade three stars are hard to get. That is what folks like to regurgitate but it is not true. You know little about the three star rating as a three star can be a top recruit with elite P5 offers or barely a three star and just recieving FCS. So yes a person that has never played football can tell a difference between a .894 and a .795 rated kid much less one that is only a two star kid because there is usually a huge difference on size, speed and or what they accomplished in high school. The fact you think the three star rating was a one size fits all tells me all I really need to know. Also the fact you think the guys rating these kids have no idea what they are looking at is also not true most have been doing it for years and are supervised by some guys that have been doing it for decades and many are former players and coaches.

Yep no difference between these top 3's and a two star kid

http://247sports.com/Player/Adarius-Lemons-85884

http://247sports.com/Player/Chuba-Hubbard-89471

for reference here is a kid that barely made the three star cut...Ray Charles can see the difference in the type of schools that are recruiting each and he is blind and dead.

http://247sports.com/Player/Billy-Reagins-92224

You should really let all those P5's like AL to quit wasting time on offering high rated three star kids. Also lets not get it twisted App has done well by Sun Belt standards but nobody is confusing you with Houston or Boise just yet. You shared the Sun Belt CC without playing a title game or playing the team you shared it with as well. My only point is you are the only team to have claim to a conference title being in the bottom half of the ratings one team out of 30 +/- proves my point not the other way around.

Also if you want to talk NFL it backs the rating system not disproves it at all. If you know anything about stats you know population sizes matter when talking about what rating NFL players were.

OK Einstein. So, population now helps to determine a player's rating? That's one I've not heard in my 35+ years of following recruiting. Guess that's why DeShaun Watson garnered 4 star status coming out of that major metropolitan area Gainesville.GA, population 35,000. Stats and math do NOT determine a players ability. A lot of really good players play on really bad teams. A WR can't catch balls if he doesn't have a QB who can throw it to him. A RB can't make a ton of yards unless he has a line. You're just like so many other guys who fancy them self as a self proclaimed recruiting guru. Mostly a bunch of facts and figures that amount to nothing.

Wow....I just dont know where to start. Population is a stats term, meaning the raw number of one particular star rating representation to do with anything in the NFL is meaningless as the POPULATION sizes of each star group is vastly different.........If I mention sample size it has nothing to do with people handing out free crap at a grocery store...

I guess since there are more three star players in the NFL by far than four and especially five it means ratings dont mean much right?

FYI Einstein is old school please refer to me as Neal deGrasse Tyson.