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A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
New Big East for everything but football...and Mountain West for football. I think it's a decent plan. I believe us and you guys could get football-only spots in the MW as they would probably allow us the Hawaii rule due to geography. We would help their conference brand-wise and with eastern TV. They would help us by allowing us to keep our football at basically the same level while upgrading our basketball while we wait for a better offer (which we would make clear with them). We would have to give travel subsidies, but we would make much more with the NBE so that would be ok.

The divisions would look like this:
Mountain: UConn, Cincy, Boise State, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, Colorado St.
West: San Jose St., Utah St., UNLV, Fresno St., Nevada, SDSU, Hawaii

Possible schedule down the road (for either of us) in this alignment: NC State, @Purdue, Illinois, @Indiana, UConn/Cincy, @ Boise State, Air Force, @Wyoming, New Mexico, @Colorado St, @UNLV, Nevada

This would pave the way for NBE basketball, which hopefully would still be a massive double round robin with both of us (22 games), which would leave us with 9 OOC games (3 tournament, 3 decent h/h, 3 pay games).
 
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Boy did you suffer in the war. negative twelve rep points.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
(01-14-2017 08:40 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  New Big East for everything but football...and Mountain West for football. I think it's a decent plan. I believe us and you guys could get football-only spots in the MW as they would probably allow us the Hawaii rule due to geography. We would help their conference brand-wise and with eastern TV. They would help us by allowing us to keep our football at basically the same level while upgrading our basketball while we wait for a better offer (which we would make clear with them). We would have to give travel subsidies, but we would make much more with the NBE so that would be ok.

The divisions would look like this:
Mountain: UConn, Cincy, Boise State, Wyoming, Air Force, New Mexico, Colorado St.
West: San Jose St., Utah St., UNLV, Fresno St., Nevada, SDSU, Hawaii

Possible schedule down the road (for either of us) in this alignment: NC State, @Purdue, Illinois, @Indiana, UConn/Cincy, @ Boise State, Air Force, @Wyoming, New Mexico, @Colorado St, @UNLV, Nevada

This would pave the way for NBE basketball, which hopefully would still be a massive double round robin with both of us (22 games), which would leave us with 9 OOC games (3 tournament, 3 decent h/h, 3 pay games).

Shoot, why stop there? Let's add the Sorbonne, Heidleberg, Oxford and Cambridge Universities, the University of Upsala and, just for good measure, the College of Cardinals. Maybe the Electoral College, too.
 
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i'm in
 
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while the AAC isn't perfect, its better than the MWC. Fu%$*& ESPN! The old big east was perfect for UC>.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
In business there was a rule that "there are no stupid idea so".

This idea is so stupid that I must break the real and say "STUPID!"
 
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(01-14-2017 10:35 PM)doss2 Wrote:  In business there was a rule that "there are no stupid idea so".

This idea is so stupid that I must break the real and say "STUPID!"

Explain why you don't like it then. You don't like playing a better basketball schedule? You don't like playing Boise State, Air Force, and UConn every year in football? You don't like your AD (after three years of paying exit fees) to be making $4 million more per year than now?
 
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There are no stupid ideas or questions, just stupid people.
Having said that, all our options suck. I can't really dog anybody for throwing around scenarios when we're stuck.
 
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(01-14-2017 10:50 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 10:35 PM)doss2 Wrote:  In business there was a rule that "there are no stupid idea so".

This idea is so stupid that I must break the real and say "STUPID!"

Explain why you don't like it then. You don't like playing a better basketball schedule? You don't like playing Boise State, Air Force, and UConn every year in football? You don't like your AD (after three years of paying exit fees) to be making $4 million more per year than now?

Football drives the bus. The MW is about a push in FB quality but do we want all away games being 2,3 or even 6 times zones away? I don't.

The new BE is not the old BE in BB. No SU, PU, UL, etc. What makes you think the BE would want a second team in Cincinnati? Also XU would fight it hard.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
MBB and FB should be de-coupled so that both can maximize fan interest and bring in the most $$$. MBB would fare far better right now if it played the current BE schedule vs. what the AAC has to offer.

The FB "bus" for most of the G5 is about to run out of gas, break down, and be abandoned on the side of the road.

We haven't come to grips yet with the fact that FB is on life support and will become a less viable option as time goes by and the $$ gap splits the P5 and everyone else to the point that the non-P5 programs may have to start shutting down or scaling down. Some DI's have done this already.

What nobody on this board can seem to wrap their heads around is that the "haves" don't want to share with the "have-nots". Likely the only future re-alignment will be the shedding of schools from the P5 so that the $$ is split between fewer schools to jack up both ESPN's and the P5's profit margin.

The only way this changes is if an act of Congress mandates a nationwide DI FB tourney in which every DI conference sends their champion with maybe a few wild-cards, and then you play for a NC.

Won't happen though.
 
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Whether or not you agree with Shizzle's post, it clearly demonstrates that there is no easy answer at this point.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
One good game between Georgetown and UConn, and UConn people go clamoring for the BigEast again. I don't fully blame them, I miss playing 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt, Georgetown, etc but come on the current BigEast is not what it was... not close.
 
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(01-15-2017 12:25 PM)nati streets Wrote:  One good game between Georgetown and UConn, and UConn people go clamoring for the BigEast again. I don't fully blame them, I miss playing 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt, Georgetown, etc but come on the current BigEast is not what it was... not close.

Perception wise it is still a power conference, and better than the SEC and Pac-12. They get high seeds in the NCAA tourney, unlike us. Watch you guys will get no better than a four or five seed if you go 30-4 or 29-5. Do that in the BE and you get no worse than a two seed. On Selection Sunday, the BE is one of the six power conferences. The AAC is not.
 
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The reality is that the Big East is NOT adding dis-similar institutions. So that door is shut. (Not to mention they've got Xavier already in that conference and so long as X is in there, UC will not be...)

So...yeah...Not happening.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
(01-15-2017 12:25 PM)nati streets Wrote:  One good game between Georgetown and UConn, and UConn people go clamoring for the BigEast again. I don't fully blame them, I miss playing 'Cuse, Louisville, Pitt, Georgetown, etc but come on the current BigEast is not what it was... not close.

Let's see...last year the BEast sent 5 teams to the tourney including the National champion, Villanova....the BEast recorded 8 victories in the tourney, which is quite respectable among the conferences that sent multiple members.

As far as current conference strength goes, in 2017, the BEast is ranked 4th out of 64 DI conferences, while the American sits at somewhere between 7th and 9th as determined by projected conference bids.

The Big East is doing just fine...especially considering that it has fewer members than several of the schools in front of it.

UC could do far worse than playing MBB in the BEast if that were an option.
 
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I think the AAC is having a down year in basketball. There are some traditional powers and rivals that haven't been performing up to par the past few years, including Temple, Memphis, etc. SMU and UConn should be perennial quality programs in the AAC. I don't think we can ever really count on Tulane, UCF, USF, or ECU in basketball. If UCF / USF could step up, it would minimize the low end of our conference, but we should be producing four or five tourney bids with that group.

I think this past season we saw the AAC reload on coaching talent. I don't think the football is going to get any better outside the P5. I think the American should be looking to poach Boise or BYU if they're interested in joining a conference now that the B12 has closed up.
 
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RE: A proposition for UConn and Cincy:
I see this topic coming up on the UCONN board on occasion as well. It's so far from reality that any discussion of it is fruitless.

The Catholic Seven bought the Big East name and took a pile of cash from Fox Sports One on the bet they could drive viewership to a fledgling cable network. The verdict is still out on that. The remaining old Big East schools (AAC) took a pile of cash by selling the conference name and retaining millions in exit fees. And the AAC did an initial cable deal with ESPN which was low on cash but high on exposure.

Villanova won a title in the new Big East; UCONN won a title in the new American. UCONN women won the title and still dominate the national championship conversation. After solid performances by SMU, UCONN and UC last season, basketball is experiencing a downturn this season. It happens. Those programs will bounce back along with Tubby Smith's Memphis and Kelvin Sampson's Houston team. There will be plenty of quality competition again. There are down cycles for every conference (let's see how many B10 teams are ranked this week after Minnesota's loss yesterday).

American football's short history has posted some impressive wins during the regular seasons and in the Fiesta and Cotton Bowls. Does the AAC lack brand awareness? Absolutely; much work needs to be done in that area.

For Cincinnati, this is and will be home for the moment. UC needs to start winning AAC championships in men's basketball on a regular basis, beginning now. There are positive signs that the football 'Cats will get their mojo back with new leadership. It's far from perfect but many of us believe Cincinnati will still get a P5 call-up in the next few years.

Competitively, too much is made of conferences in some cases. DePaul never became competitive with all the money and exposure of the old Big East. And they're still lousy because they aren't committed to their own program. I choose to focus on what we have: a ranked team, a rich basketball tradition and a brighter future in football starting on signing day.
 
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I think the AAC should be open to non-football expansion. I'm not saying it's 100% the right move, but it at least needs to be considered/discussed.
 
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(01-15-2017 02:32 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I see this topic coming up on the UCONN board on occasion as well. It's so far from reality that any discussion of it is fruitless.

The Catholic Seven bought the Big East name and took a pile of cash from Fox Sports One on the bet they could drive viewership to a fledgling cable network. The verdict is still out on that. The remaining old Big East schools (AAC) took a pile of cash by selling the conference name and retaining millions in exit fees. And the AAC did an initial cable deal with ESPN which was low on cash but high on exposure.

Villanova won a title in the new Big East; UCONN won a title in the new American. UCONN women won the title and still dominate the national championship conversation. After solid performances by SMU, UCONN and UC last season, basketball is experiencing a downturn this season. It happens. Those programs will bounce back along with Tubby Smith's Memphis and Kelvin Sampson's Houston team. There will be plenty of quality competition again. There are down cycles for every conference (let's see how many B10 teams are ranked this week after Minnesota's loss yesterday).

American football's short history has posted some impressive wins during the regular seasons and in the Fiesta and Cotton Bowls. Does the AAC lack brand awareness? Absolutely; much work needs to be done in that area.

For Cincinnati, this is and will be home for the moment. UC needs to start winning AAC championships in men's basketball on a regular basis, beginning now. There are positive signs that the football 'Cats will get their mojo back with new leadership. It's far from perfect but many of us believe Cincinnati will still get a P5 call-up in the next few years.

Competitively, too much is made of conferences in some cases. DePaul never became competitive with all the money and exposure of the old Big East. And they're still lousy because they aren't committed to their own program. I choose to focus on what we have: a ranked team, a rich basketball tradition and a brighter future in football starting on signing day.

If the better AAC programs spent as much effort on building their own conference as looking to bolt for a new one, we'd all be better off. The ratings are decent, and next TV contract should be a lot bigger.
 
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(01-15-2017 05:52 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 02:32 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  I see this topic coming up on the UCONN board on occasion as well. It's so far from reality that any discussion of it is fruitless.

The Catholic Seven bought the Big East name and took a pile of cash from Fox Sports One on the bet they could drive viewership to a fledgling cable network. The verdict is still out on that. The remaining old Big East schools (AAC) took a pile of cash by selling the conference name and retaining millions in exit fees. And the AAC did an initial cable deal with ESPN which was low on cash but high on exposure.

Villanova won a title in the new Big East; UCONN won a title in the new American. UCONN women won the title and still dominate the national championship conversation. After solid performances by SMU, UCONN and UC last season, basketball is experiencing a downturn this season. It happens. Those programs will bounce back along with Tubby Smith's Memphis and Kelvin Sampson's Houston team. There will be plenty of quality competition again. There are down cycles for every conference (let's see how many B10 teams are ranked this week after Minnesota's loss yesterday).

American football's short history has posted some impressive wins during the regular seasons and in the Fiesta and Cotton Bowls. Does the AAC lack brand awareness? Absolutely; much work needs to be done in that area.

For Cincinnati, this is and will be home for the moment. UC needs to start winning AAC championships in men's basketball on a regular basis, beginning now. There are positive signs that the football 'Cats will get their mojo back with new leadership. It's far from perfect but many of us believe Cincinnati will still get a P5 call-up in the next few years.

Competitively, too much is made of conferences in some cases. DePaul never became competitive with all the money and exposure of the old Big East. And they're still lousy because they aren't committed to their own program. I choose to focus on what we have: a ranked team, a rich basketball tradition and a brighter future in football starting on signing day.

If the better AAC programs spent as much effort on building their own conference as looking to bolt for a new one, we'd all be better off. The ratings are decent, and next TV contract should be a lot bigger.

Time will tell, but I suspect that we disagree on what "a lot bigger" means, exactly.
 
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