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Just discussing for the sake of discussion. No harm in that.

A few in this forum have a narrower tolerance zone to any change than my wife, and that's pretty damn narrow! 03-lmfao
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Put the play in but to totally change the offense? philly get your electric football game out of storage and run it there
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(01-17-2017 06:19 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  Put the play in but to totally change the offense? philly get your electric football game out of storage and run it there

Yeah ok, let's run the same offense as USC and MSU. The same one their Defense sees in practice every day, 13 games a year. That'll get it done!


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Easy to be a genius as a fan when you have nothing to lose. I may be wrong (often) but I think Urban Meyer at Bowling Green was the first, or one of them, to use the qb option out of the shotgun that is a staple these days (probably have the wording wrong) Seems to me that went in gradually. Too much risk, too many jobs on the line to totally just go crazy. If you are throwing caution to the wind, go for it on 4th down every time, like that one high school coach, who wins state titles that way.
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(01-17-2017 06:49 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  Easy to be a genius as a fan when you have nothing to lose. I may be wrong (often) but I think Urban Meyer at Bowling Green was the first, or one of them, to use the qb option out of the shotgun that is a staple these days (probably have the wording wrong) Seems to me that went in gradually. Too much risk, too many jobs on the line to totally just go crazy. If you are throwing caution to the wind, go for it on 4th down every time, like that one high school coach, who wins state titles that way.

Are you thinking "spread option" offense? I think we need to stick with a variation on that as we've started to really take off with it...

Mobile QB - check
Strong Blocking TE - huge check
Mobile OL - check
Good RB - Check and check...
WR's who can catch - TBD

I think we need to throw some wrinkles in there but our opponents knew what we were running as an offense last year for the most part and for the most part it was advantage WMU. I think this year the QB will be much more of a running threat and that adds an even more dynamic piece to an already stout ground game![/i]
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(01-17-2017 06:49 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  Easy to be a genius as a fan when you have nothing to lose. I may be wrong (often) but I think Urban Meyer at Bowling Green was the first, or one of them, to use the qb option out of the shotgun that is a staple these days (probably have the wording wrong) Seems to me that went in gradually. Too much risk, too many jobs on the line to totally just go crazy. If you are throwing caution to the wind, go for it on 4th down every time, like that one high school coach, who wins state titles that way.

Gary Darnell/Brian Rock introduced some Single Wing plays at the end of their tenure-they nearly always gained significant yards. You don't have to 'go crazy' and convert 100%, all I'm suggesting we explore something, a new wrinkle. Stay ahead of the curve, not behind it.

Nearly every time Broncos run the Polecat they gain good yards. Why? Because most opposing teams rarely see it or study how to defend it. It's different.

We're not going to win consistently running the same basic offense as Toledo and NIU. Over time the law of Averages on injuries, breaks, penalties, quality recruits, execution, etc. will generate an average outcome for all of us. Yet most coaches today seem to feel:

1. I can work harder than the other guys.
2. We can grab a few more top recruits.
3. We can eliminate costly errors and penalties by practicing harder and better.
4. Our selection of the right play at the right time will be better than the other Coaches, ie we will coach smarter than the guys across the field.

Nothing wrong with that, but the coaching staffs at NIU and Toledo are thinking along the same lines.

I'm no expert on college football, but it seems there is more variety in schemes on the Defense side of the ball these days than you have with most Offenses. With the exception of an occasional Option attack, nearly everyone is running basically the same offense. Only difference perhaps is the 'weight' between running plays and passing plays.
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(01-17-2017 07:12 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 06:49 AM)uclabruin Wrote:  Easy to be a genius as a fan when you have nothing to lose. I may be wrong (often) but I think Urban Meyer at Bowling Green was the first, or one of them, to use the qb option out of the shotgun that is a staple these days (probably have the wording wrong) Seems to me that went in gradually. Too much risk, too many jobs on the line to totally just go crazy. If you are throwing caution to the wind, go for it on 4th down every time, like that one high school coach, who wins state titles that way.

I'm no expert on college football, but it seems there is more variety in schemes on the Defense side of the ball these days than you have with most Offenses. With the exception of an occasional Option attack, nearly everyone is running basically the same offense. Only difference perhaps is the 'weight' between running plays and passing plays.

This is just so wrong it hurts.
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(01-17-2017 12:35 PM)JDBRONCO Wrote:  Looks like Kevin John's will be the new OC

Dude - read the thread "Speculating on Lester's staff..."
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Problem with running QB's is they get hurt. Navy runs an offense like that and was down to their 4th QB V army and in the bowl game.
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(01-17-2017 01:07 PM)NYbronco Wrote:  Problem with running QB's is they get hurt. Navy runs an offense like that and was down to their 4th QB V army and in the bowl game.

same with NIU a couple years ago
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(01-17-2017 02:41 PM)Bronc33 Wrote:  
(01-17-2017 01:07 PM)NYbronco Wrote:  Problem with running QB's is they get hurt. Navy runs an offense like that and was down to their 4th QB V army and in the bowl game.

same with NIU a couple years ago

We don't even have 4 scholarship QBs on the roster...

Not even sure we have 3 on Scholarship. Is the transfer from Illinois?

We really need a QB in this recruiting class for depth.
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I know Mussat was a walk on at Illinois but haven't heard anything about his status at WMU
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I know this is an offense thread but curious if anyone has heard any news on the DC positions? not sure why we haven't locked our current one down yet. thanks
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Quote:if anyone has heard any news on the DC positions? not sure why we haven't locked our current one down yet. thanks

Yeah, it seems like we're keeping Pinkham, the current DC, but as older he's going to transition with help from a Davenport HC we hired who used to work on our D years ago (Lou "Pizzeria") to be seemingly a Co-DC learning under and with Pinkham.
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Ok, ok guys. I know most of you probably think I'm full of chit, but that's what discussion boards are for-to discuss. I am under no illusions the coaching staff would ever take this sort of proposal seriously-but remember this, at one time passing the football was a novel wrinkle that somebody came up with.

End of discussion.
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Grandville early 60's we ran Michigan State split T multiple offense. 7 man unbalanced line. Trap blocking was the main stay running plan, reverse pivet, weak side guard pulling across the hole, fullback leading into the hole, tight end sweeping across looking for a linebacker. We only had three pass plays, a jump pass to that tight end off play action, wingback across the middle, and a fake handoff to the halfback who would then float into the flat just behind the linebacker, what they might call read option stuff now. You used those passes a few times each game.

This was the usual fair in our Class B league, Grandville, Rockford, Godwin, East Grand Rapids, Lowell, Hudsonvile, West Ottawa. The Grand Valley was a good league in that day. EGR (what we called "cake eaters" in our crowd) would sometimes get all crazy and throw a 15 yard sideline button hook, but never until they were midfield.

There was some talk of a "lonesome end" somewhere in the college game, a split receiver, but that was considered heresy to even mention around our coach. He thought that 5 yard jump pass to the tight end was daring.
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(01-17-2017 04:41 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  Ok, ok guys. I know most of you probably think I'm full of chit, but that's what discussion boards are for-to discuss. I am under no illusions the coaching staff would ever take this sort of proposal seriously-but remember this, at one time passing the football was a novel wrinkle that somebody came up with.

End of discussion.

This isn't a "novel wrinkle", its an old relic the game has passed by. Passing the football was an advancement, this is going backwards. Awful analogy.
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(01-17-2017 04:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  
Quote:if anyone has heard any news on the DC positions? not sure why we haven't locked our current one down yet. thanks

Yeah, it seems like we're keeping Pinkham, the current DC, but as older he's going to transition with help from a Davenport HC we hired who used to work on our D years ago (Lou "Pizzeria") to be seemingly a Co-DC learning under and with Pinkham.
Great! That's what I was hoping for. Good coaches and stability!
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