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(01-15-2017 11:03 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  
(01-14-2017 03:59 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  @Toledo - Don't count on us winning this one.

Why not? Woodside, Hunt, and Roberts have all moved on. We've beaten them twice in a row. On paper, we return more talent.

I'm not saying chalk it up as a W, but I don't see how we'd be significant underdogs, even on the road.

Woodside was a junior
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I stand corrected. Thanks. And Toledo still has a good RB in Swanson.

All of that said, IMO there's no way the game at Toledo should be viewed as some sort of automatic L for us.
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Toledo outrecruited WMU in Metro Detroit for years, NIU outrecruited us in Metro Chicago. Not surprisingly both of those programs owned us for a long time.

That changed under Fleck, we outrecruited them in both locations. That will be the challenge for Coach Lester, to assure our inroads in those regions remain.

It shouldn't be a big deal, we have a tremendous product to market now. HS recruits who hardly knew WMU existed sure know we exist now. Lester just needs to convince them that we've might have changed coaching staffs but we haven't changed the culture of winning.
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Quote:Further proof he wanted out the door. WMU was used as leverage plain and simple.

To be fair, he did have some personal drama rooted here in Kzoo -- and at the same time, more importantly, I think his Ambition to be not just highly regarded (like making WMU the next Boise) but to be At The Top in the National Championship Hunt was his main focus. If he was 55 and not barely over 35 -- yeah, he would have stayed with that super-solid 10-year deal making P5 money here with aspirations to make us the next Boise.

Quote:There is NO EXCUSE for not getting 8 wins next season. And if we are still on an upward trajectory 9 or 10 wins is not that much of a stretch.

There could be. Injuries + a new QB + new WRs as we're reloading in key spots. We have @USC, @MSU, @Toledo, and @NIU. There's no excuse for us to suck. There's no excuse for us to barely get to 6-6. But there certainly can be reasons why we just get to 7-5 next year with things not falling our way in this transition. Last year -- we weren't 8-4, we were 7-5. And that took us upsetting ranked Toledo to do so, avoiding 6-6. PJ was on his way to have a let-down year before that final regular season game (which was a big win don't get me wrong). Just saying. :)

We'll have to see how our MAC East schedule pans out, but NIU & EMU are going to be better. We play @NIU, @EMU, and @Toledo who will be very good next year. CMU at home, given the rivalry and them losing their senior QB, we should handle that. Just saying that there's plenty of room to lose a barn-burner here and there against formidable opponents.

Quote:All of that said, IMO there's no way the game at Toledo should be viewed as some sort of automatic L for us.

It's not an automatic L, but the way things are looking, it'd take at least a mild upset, it being in Toledo too -- so don't count on it, is all I'm saying (regardless of having Lester or PJ as a coach). Remember folks, PJ is a mere mortal. He's not Jesus H. Christ nor Urban Meyer. Maybe some day he will be, though.
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(01-15-2017 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It's not an automatic L, but the way things are looking, it'd take at least a mild upset, it being in Toledo too -- so don't count on it, is all I'm saying

What exactly has Toledo done recently to justify this? Is the same defense that we put 55 on expected to suddenly rapidly improve?

As you can tell, I don't buy the argument of Toledo as MAC favorite in 2017. I do think there will be more pressure on Toledo to win the MAC than any other team in the conference.

Every school has played in the MACC at least once since 2005 - except for Toledo and EMU.
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(01-16-2017 11:45 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It's not an automatic L, but the way things are looking, it'd take at least a mild upset, it being in Toledo too -- so don't count on it, is all I'm saying

What exactly has Toledo done recently to justify this? Is the same defense that we put 55 on expected to suddenly rapidly improve?

As you can tell, I don't buy the argument of Toledo as MAC favorite in 2017. I do think there will be more pressure on Toledo to win the MAC than any other team in the conference.

Every school has played in the MACC at least once since 2005 - except for Toledo and EMU.


I would put early make favorites as Toledo, us, and Miami of Ohio. In no order.
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Quote:What exactly has Toledo done recently to justify this? Is the same defense that we put 55 on expected to suddenly rapidly improve?

I don't know what you mean by 'recently' exactly -- but they were ranked the year before us (and crushed Temple in its bowl) -- but yes, didn't win the 4-way tie-breaker. What you point out is that Toledo's certainly capable of losing key games, no matter how well they're doing. That's what has cost them over the years from getting to the MACC, despite regularly being around the top of the MAC West.

I think their D will improve -- it can only go that way, it seems. This game's In Toledo, and ONLY recently have we really had their number (beating them Ranked, and then in this past stellar year, beating them well at home, despite them getting more yards on us thanks to 3 turnovers). They ran for 7.6 yards a carry on us. Passing wasn't that great, and I expect it to be a little better at least this time around. If we always beat Toledo (much like NIU has) -- I'd feel more comfortable going into Toledo next year.

In the end after OOC games finish, we'll have a better view of it all. It's going to be So key on our QB+WR situation, and how Lester makes us come together and execute as a whole. Lot to be learned. Just talking about expectations.

Quote:I would put early make favorites as Toledo, us, and Miami of Ohio. In no order.

Same here. We're not what NIU was -- nor in position under PJ TO Definitely be that (but possible). At this point, for this year, for some key positions we're adjusting with... Us, Toledo, Miami as the 3 favorites. It's MAC ball -- who knows what will happen. :)
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(01-16-2017 12:48 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:45 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It's not an automatic L, but the way things are looking, it'd take at least a mild upset, it being in Toledo too -- so don't count on it, is all I'm saying

What exactly has Toledo done recently to justify this? Is the same defense that we put 55 on expected to suddenly rapidly improve?

As you can tell, I don't buy the argument of Toledo as MAC favorite in 2017. I do think there will be more pressure on Toledo to win the MAC than any other team in the conference.

Every school has played in the MACC at least once since 2005 - except for Toledo and EMU.


I would put early make favorites as Toledo, us, and Miami of Ohio. In no order.

Again with dampening of expectations. Jesus. I leave for 4 days and you guys are back to Cubit era. How about early favorites are no doubt WMU - that's it. If we don't win MACC it's a failure. Can we get an amen?
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(01-16-2017 05:26 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 12:48 PM)rsswmu Wrote:  
(01-16-2017 11:45 AM)The Colonel Wrote:  
(01-15-2017 03:20 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  It's not an automatic L, but the way things are looking, it'd take at least a mild upset, it being in Toledo too -- so don't count on it, is all I'm saying

What exactly has Toledo done recently to justify this? Is the same defense that we put 55 on expected to suddenly rapidly improve?

As you can tell, I don't buy the argument of Toledo as MAC favorite in 2017. I do think there will be more pressure on Toledo to win the MAC than any other team in the conference.

Every school has played in the MACC at least once since 2005 - except for Toledo and EMU.


I would put early make favorites as Toledo, us, and Miami of Ohio. In no order.

Again with dampening of expectations. Jesus. I leave for 4 days and you guys are back to Cubit era. How about early favorites are no doubt WMU - that's it. If we don't win MACC it's a failure. Can we get an amen?

PJ was incredibly successful here...but it took awhile. Many folks were not happy with him being hired, and he proved them all wrong by going to three bowls in a row.

Give Lester a chance and support. The staff will materialize and recruiting will be finalized soon. A wait and see approach may be the most common sense perspective to take. Everything is just speculation...and no one really KNOWS what is going to shake out.
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