If/when the Big 12 expands and takes two members of the AAC, will the leftovers remain so cocky?

(01-19-2017 08:24 PM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  In 2013 bsu was on ESPN 4 times, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, fsn once and cbs sports 4 times FYI. Houston was on ESPN twice, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, ESPN news 4 times, fsm 2 times, and aan once.

1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

Not similar at all; we had 3 games on ABC, including our CCGame...how many games did the MWC have on ABC? Answer: zero

Is that where the extra 200k comes from? Because money is not that different. I figured abc and ESPN would pay a lot more than cbs sports.

(01-19-2017 09:01 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If/when the Big 12 expands and takes two members of the AAC, will the leftovers remain so cocky?

yes, we aren't top heavy ..there is no combination of 2 in this league that'll badly damage us..and if its far in the future like 4-5 years, a worthy g4 might have emerged to take their spot

our flag bearer since creation

year 1: UCF..louisville, cincy
2: Memphis..UCF, Cincy (ECU at the beginning)
3: Houston..Navy, Temple, Memphis
4. USF..Houston, Tulsa, Temple, Navy

whats fun about our league is anyone can compete...no one knowledgeable about football would be shocked if 3 of our bottom feeder teams this year (cincy, smu and tulane) were the top 25 caliber and competing for a league title next year

(01-19-2017 09:01 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  If/when the Big 12 expands and takes two members of the AAC, will the leftovers remain so cocky?

Oh yeah. Over half this league was in cusa 3 years ago and those schools are the biggest talkers so they will still be around.

(01-19-2017 09:20 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:24 PM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  In 2013 bsu was on ESPN 4 times, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, fsn once and cbs sports 4 times FYI. Houston was on ESPN twice, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, ESPN news 4 times, fsm 2 times, and aan once.

1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

Not similar at all; we had 3 games on ABC, including our CCGame...how many games did the MWC have on ABC? Answer: zero

Is that where the extra 200k comes from? Because money is not that different. I figured abc and ESPN would pay a lot more than cbs sports.

tv slots and amount paid are complete separate negotiations...

Edluvar - to directly answer your question, the "P6 Proof" thread starts with a link to the SportsMediaWatch 2016 numbers. That article has links to the 2015 and 2014 numbers.
You have replies in that thread so I know you can find it.

AAC average viewers are over double mwc or mac.

Solid numerical proof that AAC is closer to the five contract-bowl-conferences than to the G4, for years running


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(01-19-2017 09:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Edluvar - to directly answer your question, the "P6 Proof" thread starts with a link to the SportsMediaWatch 2016 numbers. That article has links to the 2015 and 2014 numbers.
You have replies in that thread so I know you can find it.

AAC average viewers are over double mwc or mac.

Solid numerical proof that AAC is closer to the five contract-bowl-conferences than to the G4, for years running


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In television views only.

Not im budget, not in facilities, not in television deals, not in recruiting...

G4 so angry

(01-19-2017 10:10 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Edluvar - to directly answer your question, the "P6 Proof" thread starts with a link to the SportsMediaWatch 2016 numbers. That article has links to the 2015 and 2014 numbers.
You have replies in that thread so I know you can find it.

AAC average viewers are over double mwc or mac.

Solid numerical proof that AAC is closer to the five contract-bowl-conferences than to the G4, for years running


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In television views only.

Not im budget, not in facilities, not in television deals, not in recruiting...

Not even in viewers. They are less than half of the lowest p5's if those numbers are correct.

G4ers be like...

1.4 million per rated game compared to 1.7 million for lowest two "P5" conferences...versus 600k for the mwc

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(01-19-2017 10:10 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Edluvar - to directly answer your question, the "P6 Proof" thread starts with a link to the SportsMediaWatch 2016 numbers. That article has links to the 2015 and 2014 numbers.
You have replies in that thread so I know you can find it.

AAC average viewers are over double mwc or mac.

Solid numerical proof that AAC is closer to the five contract-bowl-conferences than to the G4, for years running


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In television views only.

Not im budget, not in facilities, not in television deals, not in recruiting...

we have drastically bigger budgets..its not close

we have drastically better facilities, its not close (most AAC average 100-1500 mil in facilities upgrades the last 5 years alone)

recruiting its like a mile difference ..navy our worst recruitng teams for obvious reasons would be a top 5 recruiting team in every other g4

the national AAc recruiting average is in the 60s-70s, the national average for the other g4 s in the 100's

please show any prove otherwise...
literally half the AAC is having coaching changes and thus lost tons of recruits and i bet the top 15 g5 recruiting classes will be 80-85% AAC teams

One thing about this thread thAt bugs me. Aren't all rectums boneless, be they porcine or hominid

(01-19-2017 10:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  One thing about this thread thAt bugs me. Aren't all rectums boneless, be they porcine or hominid

lmao...I'm POSTing the pic of the POSTeriors for POSTerity's sake...

(01-19-2017 10:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 10:10 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 09:39 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Edluvar - to directly answer your question, the "P6 Proof" thread starts with a link to the SportsMediaWatch 2016 numbers. That article has links to the 2015 and 2014 numbers.
You have replies in that thread so I know you can find it.

AAC average viewers are over double mwc or mac.

Solid numerical proof that AAC is closer to the five contract-bowl-conferences than to the G4, for years running


Sent from my XT1526 using CSNbbs mobile app

In television views only.

Not im budget, not in facilities, not in television deals, not in recruiting...

we have drastically bigger budgets..its not close

we have drastically better facilities, its not close (most AAC average 100-1500 mil in facilities upgrades the last 5 years alone)

recruiting its like a mile difference ..navy our worst recruitng teams for obvious reasons would be a top 5 recruiting team in every other g4

the national AAc recruiting average is in the 60s-70s, the national average for the other g4 s in the 100's

please show any prove otherwise...
literally half the AAC is having coaching changes and thus lost tons of recruits and i bet the top 15 g5 recruiting classes will be 80-85% AAC teams

Yes, you have bigger budgets, better facilities and better recruiting, but all of those metrics are closer to the rest of the G5 than they are to the P5.

(01-19-2017 10:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  One thing about this thread thAt bugs me. Aren't all rectums boneless, be they porcine or hominid

I suppose it depends on how literal you're being...

(01-19-2017 08:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  In 2013 bsu was on ESPN 4 times, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, fsn once and cbs sports 4 times FYI. Houston was on ESPN twice, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, ESPN news 4 times, fsm 2 times, and aan once.

1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

How are they similar???? why do people pretend money is the only factor in a tv deal

the AAC:
3 ABC regular season games
CCG on ABC
5-8 Required on ESPN
25+ on ESPN2 or higher
Every single AAC game, not vs FCS, that is in AAC control will 85% of the time on a espn tv network 15% on cbsports (100% national televised) all fcs games will be on espn3, aswell as local


The MWC:
0 ABC
CCG on ESPN2
0 required for ESPN
6-8 on ESPN2 or higher
15% of games on a espn network, 50% on cbsports, 20% on espn3 15% arent air nationally or on espn3 (mixture of local, and campus insider) ...

how is that pretty similar?????

CBS-SN owns the MWC media deal. Normally I'd pretend and go along with all of you and be silent, but come on. Boise has all their games on espn because they have a seperate contract with ESPN. The others have to play on cbs-SN. Comparing conferences by who has more games on espn? The ACC has more games on ESPN than the Big 10. So what? This works both ways. In 2020, if the AAC decides to go in with NBC-SN or Fox, the MAC can say, "we have more games on ESPN then you do which proves something"--that means nothing if the MAC has a contract with espn and we don't. Strange metric to use when there's other honest ones that proof our worth.
Cheers!

(01-19-2017 11:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  In 2013 bsu was on ESPN 4 times, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, fsn once and cbs sports 4 times FYI. Houston was on ESPN twice, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, ESPN news 4 times, fsm 2 times, and aan once.

1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

How are they similar???? why do people pretend money is the only factor in a tv deal

the AAC:
3 ABC regular season games
CCG on ABC
5-8 Required on ESPN
25+ on ESPN2 or higher
Every single AAC game, not vs FCS, that is in AAC control will 85% of the time on a espn tv network 15% on cbsports (100% national televised) all fcs games will be on espn3, aswell as local


The MWC:
0 ABC
CCG on ESPN2
0 required for ESPN
6-8 on ESPN2 or higher
15% of games on a espn network, 50% on cbsports, 20% on espn3 15% arent air nationally or on espn3 (mixture of local, and campus insider) ...

how is that pretty similar?????

CBS-SN owns the MWC media deal. Normally I'd pretend and go along with all of you and be silent, but come on. Boise has all their games on espn because they have a seperate contract with ESPN. The others have to play on cbs-SN. Comparing conferences by who has more games on espn? The ACC has more games on ESPN than the Big 10. So what? This works both ways. In 2020, if the AAC decides to go in with NBC-SN or Fox, the MAC can say, "we have more games on ESPN then you do which proves something"--that means nothing if the MAC has a contract with espn and we don't. Strange metric to use when there's other honest ones that proof our worth.
Cheers!

Actually, the fact that the non BSU MWC games are all CBSSN contracted proves that the AAC is better, because only our scrub/2nd tier games are sub licensed to CNSSN, but our better games are on ESPN; additionally, BSU is on ESPN, because they are considered on par with us.

(01-19-2017 11:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  In 2013 bsu was on ESPN 4 times, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, fsn once and cbs sports 4 times FYI. Houston was on ESPN twice, ESPN 2 twice, ESPN 3 once, ESPN u once, ESPN news 4 times, fsm 2 times, and aan once.

1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

How are they similar???? why do people pretend money is the only factor in a tv deal

the AAC:
3 ABC regular season games
CCG on ABC
5-8 Required on ESPN
25+ on ESPN2 or higher
Every single AAC game, not vs FCS, that is in AAC control will 85% of the time on a espn tv network 15% on cbsports (100% national televised) all fcs games will be on espn3, aswell as local


The MWC:
0 ABC
CCG on ESPN2
0 required for ESPN
6-8 on ESPN2 or higher
15% of games on a espn network, 50% on cbsports, 20% on espn3 15% arent air nationally or on espn3 (mixture of local, and campus insider) ...

how is that pretty similar?????

CBS-SN owns the MWC media deal. Normally I'd pretend and go along with all of you and be silent, but come on. Boise has all their games on espn because they have a seperate contract with ESPN. The others have to play on cbs-SN. Comparing conferences by who has more games on espn? The ACC has more games on ESPN than the Big 10. So what? This works both ways. In 2020, if the AAC decides to go in with NBC-SN or Fox, the MAC can say, "we have more games on ESPN then you do which proves something"--that means nothing if the MAC has a contract with espn and we don't. Strange metric to use when there's other honest ones that proof our worth.
Cheers!

we are are debating who had a better tv deal..not who has more games on ESPN..

your entire response was meaningless

but to your point...we have more games on CBS main (who controls only about 15-20% of our rights) than the MWC who control 85% of theirs

ESPN also controls about 40% of the mwc despite not choosing to air it..The MWC could have negotiated a ton more required tv games if they were valued..espn owns both our CCG, espn chooses to put ours on ABC but puts the MWC on espn2

i still dont get your meaningless point
if we switched to nbc-sn and they switched to full espn my point would still remain

as NBC would almost certainly give us a 5+ min NBC broadcast games..and espn would still almost certainly give the MWC no required ABC games...we are talking exposure..if you noticed in a response i made earlier in the debate i credited c-usa with having one FS1 game when comparing espn2 or higher games, because i was aware they dont have a deal with espn

but cheers to you too..

(01-19-2017 11:53 PM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 11:18 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:10 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(01-19-2017 08:06 PM)pesik Wrote:  1) we are comparing conferences not teams.. we are all aware of boises sweetheart deal

2) in 2013 houston fired a coach and wasnt hyped or touted at all...not sure why you are comparing houston to boise in 2013...you can compare in 2016 if you like (ps 3 ABC GAMES)

Bsu was 8-5 that year. AAC folks are quick to pound their chests, give it a few years. If the AAC tv deal is much better next round and the mwc's isn't then you may be on to something. Right now they are pretty similar.

How are they similar???? why do people pretend money is the only factor in a tv deal

the AAC:
3 ABC regular season games
CCG on ABC
5-8 Required on ESPN
25+ on ESPN2 or higher
Every single AAC game, not vs FCS, that is in AAC control will 85% of the time on a espn tv network 15% on cbsports (100% national televised) all fcs games will be on espn3, aswell as local


The MWC:
0 ABC
CCG on ESPN2
0 required for ESPN
6-8 on ESPN2 or higher
15% of games on a espn network, 50% on cbsports, 20% on espn3 15% arent air nationally or on espn3 (mixture of local, and campus insider) ...

how is that pretty similar?????

CBS-SN owns the MWC media deal. Normally I'd pretend and go along with all of you and be silent, but come on. Boise has all their games on espn because they have a seperate contract with ESPN. The others have to play on cbs-SN. Comparing conferences by who has more games on espn? The ACC has more games on ESPN than the Big 10. So what? This works both ways. In 2020, if the AAC decides to go in with NBC-SN or Fox, the MAC can say, "we have more games on ESPN then you do which proves something"--that means nothing if the MAC has a contract with espn and we don't. Strange metric to use when there's other honest ones that proof our worth.
Cheers!

Actually, the fact that the non BSU MWC games are all CBSSN contracted proves that the AAC is better, because only our scrub/2nd tier games are sub licensed to CNSSN, but our better games are on ESPN; additionally, BSU is on ESPN, because they are considered on par with us.

Except they aren't. Does anyone actually check facts before they post?