(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

The answer is as clear as day. Move your stadium from Statesboro to that Armstrong place y'all just merged with, and you'll get your P5 game. Mid westerners are always looking for a reason to go to the beach, obviously.

(01-12-2017 01:51 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

We can as TK addressed this at least twice. 2 for 1's have been turned down by TK and rightfully so they are horrible financial decisions for us and any team that is close to capacity for most games. If we seat 25K and average 21K why in your right mind would you give up a home game or money game for 4K more in attendance? Some of which are going to be students that get in without a ticket. You are talking about giving away $1M+/- just so you can say a P5 played here, especially a bottom dweller like Kansas. ULM did not even sell out the Wake game, yet they are a P5.

For CCU that has little history or fan base and will be increasing the size of their stadium I can see why one 2-1 early on makes a lot more sense. Just like when UCF did it with Texas when debuting their new stadium.

Plus Houston should be more exciting than Kansas at this point.

Some are just fascinated with the P5 label as if Wake is the same thing as Alabama.

(01-12-2017 02:26 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

The answer is as clear as day. Move your stadium from Statesboro to that Armstrong place y'all just merged with, and you'll get your P5 game. Mid westerners are always looking for a reason to go to the beach, obviously.

We have turned down 2 for 1's with P5's. Getting a 1 for 1 and you may have more of a point.

(01-13-2017 05:05 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 02:26 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

The answer is as clear as day. Move your stadium from Statesboro to that Armstrong place y'all just merged with, and you'll get your P5 game. Mid westerners are always looking for a reason to go to the beach, obviously.

We have turned down 2 for 1's with P5's. Getting a 1 for 1 and you may have more of a point.

Not to hijack but please provide examples of this. It also doesn't make much sense to turn down a 2 for 1 when you clearly have no leverage to get a 1-1. Time for Gillin to host a negotiating master class for the Southern administration.

(01-13-2017 05:04 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:51 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

We can as TK addressed this at least twice. 2 for 1's have been turned down by TK and rightfully so they are horrible financial decisions for us and any team that is close to capacity for most games. If we seat 25K and average 21K why in your right mind would you give up a home game or money game for 4K more in attendance? Some of which are going to be students that get in without a ticket. You are talking about giving away $1M+/- just so you can say a P5 played here, especially a bottom dweller like Kansas. ULM did not even sell out the Wake game, yet they are a P5.

For CCU that has little history or fan base and will be increasing the size of their stadium I can see why one 2-1 early on makes a lot more sense. Just like when UCF did it with Texas when debuting their new stadium.

Plus Houston should be more exciting than Kansas at this point.

Some are just fascinated with the P5 label as if Wake is the same thing as Alabama.

Wake Forest is an ACC school and only about an hour from Boone. North Carolina is ACC through and through and when you get an opportunity for an ACC school to visit a non-ACC school in state, it's a big deal. It isn't likely for UNC or NCSU to travel to Boone however all other P5 and G5 programs in the state will be making the trek (aside from Duke).

Kansas, regardless of if they are a losing program, is a Big XII school that provides a brand game for CCU to host in Myrtle Beach. It will be paramount for CCU to build support for the program in the area and to do that they must get recognized brands in town and beat them. This is a step.

Battle of the Birds

(01-13-2017 05:07 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:05 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 02:26 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

The answer is as clear as day. Move your stadium from Statesboro to that Armstrong place y'all just merged with, and you'll get your P5 game. Mid westerners are always looking for a reason to go to the beach, obviously.

We have turned down 2 for 1's with P5's. Getting a 1 for 1 and you may have more of a point.

Not to hijack but please provide examples of this. It also doesn't make much sense to turn down a 2 for 1 when you clearly have no leverage to get a 1-1. Time for Gillin to host a negotiating master class for the Southern administration.

Since our fans have whined for the last two years he specifically addressed scheduling in an interview(s) I have seen. He has contacts at ESPN and knows exactly who has open dates. He calls them and tries to get a game and gets turned down UNLESS he agreed for a 2 for 1. To paraphrase, he stated he will not put the program at a financial disadvantage to play anyone. So unless he is a bold face liar he will not agree and has turned down 2 for 1's and he should not as it makes zero sense for a team already near capacity.

(01-13-2017 05:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:04 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:51 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

We can as TK addressed this at least twice. 2 for 1's have been turned down by TK and rightfully so they are horrible financial decisions for us and any team that is close to capacity for most games. If we seat 25K and average 21K why in your right mind would you give up a home game or money game for 4K more in attendance? Some of which are going to be students that get in without a ticket. You are talking about giving away $1M+/- just so you can say a P5 played here, especially a bottom dweller like Kansas. ULM did not even sell out the Wake game, yet they are a P5.

For CCU that has little history or fan base and will be increasing the size of their stadium I can see why one 2-1 early on makes a lot more sense. Just like when UCF did it with Texas when debuting their new stadium.

Plus Houston should be more exciting than Kansas at this point.

Some are just fascinated with the P5 label as if Wake is the same thing as Alabama.

Wake Forest is an ACC school and only about an hour from Boone. North Carolina is ACC through and through and when you get an opportunity for an ACC school to visit a non-ACC school in state, it's a big deal. It isn't likely for UNC or NCSU to travel to Boone however all other P5 and G5 programs in the state will be making the trek (aside from Duke).

Kansas, regardless of if they are a losing program, is a Big XII school that provides a brand game for CCU to host in Myrtle Beach. It will be paramount for CCU to build support for the program in the area and to do that they must get recognized brands in town and beat them. This is a step.

For various teams the level at which a 2 for 1 makes sense or whether a bottom feeder like Wake or Kansas is a big deal depends on each schools circumstances. I am sure it is much bigger for App for Wake than any other Belt team as ULM did not even sell out the Wake game nor was it sports center leading material they won. Wake coming to GS would be a lot worse than Houston as of today. People are not dumb, if you have to describe a team as a P5 or SEC / ACC team rather than just saying Auburn, Clemson or Alabama etc etc they are probably are not seen as an Auburn, Clemson, UGA, UNC or Alabama level. Nobody would ever say or have to qualify Alabama as a P5 or SEC school, they would just say we got a game with Alabama. For Wake most leave out the name and just go with we got a P5 game. It kinda speaks for itself.

(01-13-2017 05:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:04 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:51 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 07:33 PM)AceEagle Wrote:  I'm jealous... we can't get a P5 to Paulson

We can as TK addressed this at least twice. 2 for 1's have been turned down by TK and rightfully so they are horrible financial decisions for us and any team that is close to capacity for most games. If we seat 25K and average 21K why in your right mind would you give up a home game or money game for 4K more in attendance? Some of which are going to be students that get in without a ticket. You are talking about giving away $1M+/- just so you can say a P5 played here, especially a bottom dweller like Kansas. ULM did not even sell out the Wake game, yet they are a P5.

For CCU that has little history or fan base and will be increasing the size of their stadium I can see why one 2-1 early on makes a lot more sense. Just like when UCF did it with Texas when debuting their new stadium.

Plus Houston should be more exciting than Kansas at this point.

Some are just fascinated with the P5 label as if Wake is the same thing as Alabama.

Wake Forest is an ACC school and only about an hour from Boone. North Carolina is ACC through and through and when you get an opportunity for an ACC school to visit a non-ACC school in state, it's a big deal. It isn't likely for UNC or NCSU to travel to Boone however all other P5 and G5 programs in the state will be making the trek (aside from Duke).

Kansas, regardless of if they are a losing program, is a Big XII school that provides a brand game for CCU to host in Myrtle Beach. It will be paramount for CCU to build support for the program in the area and to do that they must get recognized brands in town and beat them. This is a step.

^What he said. I don't want to start making these 2-1 games commonplace, but for us getting some recognizable games against P5 schools will help out a lot with continuing to build our fanbase. Remember, we've still got some catching up to do in the ticket sales in comparison to many of you guys. The move to the SBC and the National Title in baseball will certainly help, but we need to grab some attention away from some our our Clemson and SCarolina neighbors (who are used to p5 football) if we are to make a respectable member to the conference. I'd rather it have been a regional P5 school like Wake or Duke, but we must take what we can get when it becomes available.

(01-13-2017 05:51 PM)CCUBrad Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:11 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(01-13-2017 05:04 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 01:51 PM)slycat Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:54 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  We can as TK addressed this at least twice. 2 for 1's have been turned down by TK and rightfully so they are horrible financial decisions for us and any team that is close to capacity for most games. If we seat 25K and average 21K why in your right mind would you give up a home game or money game for 4K more in attendance? Some of which are going to be students that get in without a ticket. You are talking about giving away $1M+/- just so you can say a P5 played here, especially a bottom dweller like Kansas. ULM did not even sell out the Wake game, yet they are a P5.

For CCU that has little history or fan base and will be increasing the size of their stadium I can see why one 2-1 early on makes a lot more sense. Just like when UCF did it with Texas when debuting their new stadium.

Plus Houston should be more exciting than Kansas at this point.

Some are just fascinated with the P5 label as if Wake is the same thing as Alabama.

Wake Forest is an ACC school and only about an hour from Boone. North Carolina is ACC through and through and when you get an opportunity for an ACC school to visit a non-ACC school in state, it's a big deal. It isn't likely for UNC or NCSU to travel to Boone however all other P5 and G5 programs in the state will be making the trek (aside from Duke).

Kansas, regardless of if they are a losing program, is a Big XII school that provides a brand game for CCU to host in Myrtle Beach. It will be paramount for CCU to build support for the program in the area and to do that they must get recognized brands in town and beat them. This is a step.

^What he said. I don't want to start making these 2-1 games commonplace, but for us getting some recognizable games against P5 schools will help out a lot with continuing to build our fanbase. Remember, we've still got some catching up to do in the ticket sales in comparison to many of you guys. The move to the SBC and the National Title in baseball will certainly help, but we need to grab some attention away from some our our Clemson and SCarolina neighbors (who are used to p5 football) if we are to make a respectable member to the conference. I'd rather it have been a regional P5 school like Wake or Duke, but we must take what we can get when it becomes available.

honestly, this is the attitude GS administration should be taking, they have no leverage to demand a 1 for 1 with a P5 school, they need occasionally to bring in a well known P5 school to excite the fanbase and to generate season ticket sales and donations. Not saying GS should be doing 2 for 1 every chance they get, but its arrogant and short sided of your AD not to do it once every 3 years or so just to keep the fan base excited. Personally, if NC State called tomarrow, and wanted to do a 2 for 1 with App, I would have no problem with it, even if we lost alittle money on it.

(01-14-2017 12:58 PM)moehler Wrote:  Personally, if NC State called tomarrow, and wanted to do a 2 for 1 with App, I would have no problem with it, even if we lost alittle money on it.

I couldn't support that. Not after hosting Miami and Wake, but I do get your point. If neither of those had happened I might agree with you more.

Back to the topic of this thread...this early in CCU's FBS history (knowing the game in Conway will probably be at least 6 years down the road) this is excellent. Especially as a boost to fundraising and expansion. Might be time for GS to do the same but ONLY for the right opponent (Louisville/Oklahoma St) who's on the edge of competing for their conference, not a bottom dweller just for the sake of saying "we're hosting a p5".



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Once you get your first 1 for 1 with a P5 team, you really shouldn't accept another 2 for 1. You need to make it clear to any P5 that calls that only a 1 for 1 is acceptable, or a money game for X amount of money.

It will probably lead to a period similar to what AState is going through in which the only P5 games we can get are Top 15 programs, but eventually it will even out.

We have been offered 2-for1's. Mohajir has said sure, we play a home amd home, then you pay us $1 million+ to come to your place for the third game.

(01-14-2017 02:52 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We have been offered 2-for1's. Mohajir has said sure, we play a home amd home, then you pay us $1 million+ to come to your place for the third game.

We did this with both Oklahoma State and Kansas State.

(01-11-2017 03:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 03:29 PM)slycat Wrote:  Cool that CCU will host a Big XII team. Not a fan of a 2 for 1 with a team as bad as Kansas. At least you should get three wins.

9/7/19 at Kansas
9/26/20 at CCU
9/11/21 at Kansas

https://twitter.com/FBSchedules/status/8...0770891784

That's a pretty good get for a newbie. A beatable P5, a nice check for the second game, and a home game...

cool

(01-14-2017 02:52 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  We have been offered 2-for1's. Mohajir has said sure, we play a home amd home, then you pay us $1 million+ to come to your place for the third game.

Which isn't a true 2 for 1. Coastal's deal I'm sure includes a huge discount on the guarantee for the extra game in Kansas.

Its why Mohajir will never accept a 2 for 1. We need roughly 1.5 million to make sacrificing the home game worthwhile financially.

I wish South Alabama could get a 2 for 1 special with Kansas, Iowa State, Wake Forest, or Virginia. Those games usually are winnable for G5 schools year in and year out.

(01-14-2017 01:32 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:58 PM)moehler Wrote:  Personally, if NC State called tomarrow, and wanted to do a 2 for 1 with App, I would have no problem with it, even if we lost alittle money on it.

I couldn't support that. Not after hosting Miami and Wake, but I do get your point. If neither of those had happened I might agree with you more.

Back to the topic of this thread...this early in CCU's FBS history (knowing the game in Conway will probably be at least 6 years down the road) this is excellent. Especially as a boost to fundraising and expansion. Might be time for GS to do the same but ONLY for the right opponent (Louisville/Oklahoma St) who's on the edge of competing for their conference, not a bottom dweller just for the sake of saying "we're hosting a p5".



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Yea but you know why you got Miami and that it'll never happen again under those circumstances so I wouldn't even count that game. Realistically, if you want a P5 at your stadium you WILL do 2 for 1's. And schools like Louisville are only going to have so many openings anyways.

(01-14-2017 01:32 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:58 PM)moehler Wrote:  Personally, if NC State called tomarrow, and wanted to do a 2 for 1 with App, I would have no problem with it, even if we lost alittle money on it.

I couldn't support that. Not after hosting Miami and Wake, but I do get your point. If neither of those had happened I might agree with you more.

Back to the topic of this thread...this early in CCU's FBS history (knowing the game in Conway will probably be at least 6 years down the road) this is excellent. Especially as a boost to fundraising and expansion. Might be time for GS to do the same but ONLY for the right opponent (Louisville/Oklahoma St) who's on the edge of competing for their conference, not a bottom dweller just for the sake of saying "we're hosting a p5".



twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

Can't support hosting the second flagship school of the UNC system in Boone? Wake and Miami are private schools which entitles them to act autonomous from a system. NC State, benign quite literally the big brother in this system, would be a huge draw in Boone and a two for one would definitely be warranted. If there were talks t also provides App a chance to get NC State to Boone for basketball and baseball.

(01-15-2017 12:04 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 01:32 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 12:58 PM)moehler Wrote:  Personally, if NC State called tomarrow, and wanted to do a 2 for 1 with App, I would have no problem with it, even if we lost alittle money on it.

I couldn't support that. Not after hosting Miami and Wake, but I do get your point. If neither of those had happened I might agree with you more.

Back to the topic of this thread...this early in CCU's FBS history (knowing the game in Conway will probably be at least 6 years down the road) this is excellent. Especially as a boost to fundraising and expansion. Might be time for GS to do the same but ONLY for the right opponent (Louisville/Oklahoma St) who's on the edge of competing for their conference, not a bottom dweller just for the sake of saying "we're hosting a p5".



twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

Yea but you know why you got Miami and that it'll never happen again under those circumstances so I wouldn't even count that game. Realistically, if you want a P5 at your stadium you WILL do 2 for 1's. And schools like Louisville are only going to have so many openings anyways.

Louisville wouldn't do a 2-1 with anyone in the SBC. It just doesn't bring anything for them. WKU is instate so that makes sense and the only school that maybe could get Louisville in this conference would be GA State because of location. That is highly unlikely though because they would only do it for recruiting but the ACC has GT in ATL.