(01-07-2017 03:29 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  The takeaway from this should be that the 1st article was from Brett McMurray from ESPiN that spoke on behalf of the "World Wide Leader" in bull sh1t and the second article (this one) probably reflects the way the non-privileged actually fell about thus whole bull sh1t.

This reminds me of What the ESPiN did to the BIG EAST with its propaganda machine before residing to destroy the BIG EAST just before the contract was up for renewal.

I refuse to acknowledge ESPiN and any of its labels, in division 1 football they are only 2 labels that distinguish where you play football... FCS or FBS period. Anything else is all made up by ESPiN.

I only watch games on ESPiN that involve the AAC and that won't change until the AAC is rightfully placed at the same level the old BIG EAST was!

I couldn't have said it better.

(01-07-2017 03:45 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The powers to be want to go to an 8 team playoff and when they do this is when they want to make the final separation from the allied power conferences
I think this is why now we are hearing about a separate playoff, their hoping the idea takes off
I just can't believe so many people in college football want to kill off half of college football, it's just ugly
I just hope I live long enough to see it blow up in their faces
I don't think it can be stopped, it's a runaway train, mybe it will wreck and I want to see it happen

This whole process was made possible by the Law Suit against the NCAA by the Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma back in 1982 "Holding that the NCAA's television plan violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and was a restrain of trade".

I'm not a lawyer, but, I think the only way to stop it dead in its tracks is to bring a similar suite against the Privileged 5 and ESPiN and other Networks that practice exactly what they claimed the NCAA was doing back in the days when college football and rivalries were something to be proud of.

ESPiN's Monopoly needs to be stopped.

Yes

I don't think you will see an 8 team playoff any time soon, I think 6 team is on the horizon, the two highest ranked teams will get a bye, 4 teams will play, the winners will play the two bye teams.

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(01-07-2017 06:11 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  This whole process was made possible by the Law Suit against the NCAA by the Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma back in 1982 "Holding that the NCAA's television plan violated the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and was a restrain of trade".

I'm not a lawyer, but, I think the only way to stop it dead in its tracks is to bring a similar suite against the Privileged 5 and ESPiN and other Networks that practice exactly what they claimed the NCAA was doing back in the days when college football and rivalries were something to be proud of.

ESPiN's Monopoly needs to be stopped.

Hear hear!!!

(01-07-2017 06:18 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  I don't think you will see an 8 team playoff any time soon, I think 6 team is on the horizon, the two highest ranked teams will get a bye, 4 teams will play, the winners will play the two bye teams.

I don't think the other four playoff teams will care for that. It gives the top two teams too big of an advantage by not playing the same number of games in a playoff. Especially when their rankings are based on a biased ESPN.

This always was fake news

Obtw, there is a compromise position on this: if TV partners REALLY think that a matchup of conference champs is desirable, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Especially since McMurphy's "sources" mentioned NBC and CBS in addition to the four-letter network.
December deals can be made: witness Houston going to a non-AAC bowl in Vegas to meet MWC champ SDSU. It made for an intriguing matchup, Disney put it on ABC, and even on the unenviable early date it drew 3 million viewers. So pay us to optimize the matchup.

That might be a pretty narrow solution space - generally speaking, I still would rather have a shot at another P6 than a G4, and I agree with Aresco and Gladchuk that we don't want to lock into a JV structure. But the AAC had two instances this year of contract-bowl-conferences not providing an opponent. Looking at the Navy experience this year, we SHOULD have lined up against a BigXII opponent; as it shook out, we got a game between two conference runner-ups: it got some press as an intriguing matchup beforehand, it got good ratings, and it delivered as its last second field goal put it at the top of some pundits' best bowl game lists.

I'm all in favor of NBC or CBS competing with ESPN for bowl content, so go ahead and throw some money at a post-Christmas bowl if matching up conference champs is good. Structure the contract conditionally, with a $2million dollar payout for a champion, $1million for a division champ and less for a lesser participant, and bargain rates for anyone else; at the same time, maybe the AAC thinks that it is still better to get our champ up against a 7-5 or 6-6 contract-bowl-conference opponent in one of four bowls that should get a contract-bowl-conference foe instead of the MAC champ, and then the network can pay on scale for G4 champ/runner-up product.

I'm NOT signing up for an NIT like structure, but if there really is TV interest, show me the money.

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(01-07-2017 10:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Obtw, there is a compromise position on this: if TV partners REALLY think that a matchup of conference champs is desirable, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Especially since McMurphy's "sources" mentioned NBC and CBS in addition to the four-letter network.
December deals can be made: witness Houston going to a non-AAC bowl in Vegas to meet MWC champ SDSU. It made for an intriguing matchup, Disney put it on ABC, and even on the unenviable early date it drew 3 million viewers. So pay us to optimize the matchup.

That might be a pretty narrow solution space - generally speaking, I still would rather have a shot at another P6 than a G4, and I agree with Aresco and Gladchuk that we don't want to lock into a JV structure. But the AAC had two instances this year of contract-bowl-conferences not providing an opponent. Looking at the Navy experience this year, we SHOULD have lined up against a BigXII opponent; as it shook out, we got a game between two conference runner-ups: it got some press as an intriguing matchup beforehand, it got good ratings, and it delivered as its last second field goal put it at the top of some pundits' best bowl game lists.

I'm all in favor of NBC or CBS competing with ESPN for bowl content, so go ahead and throw some money at a post-Christmas bowl if matching up conference champs is good. Structure the contract conditionally, with a $2million dollar payout for a champion, $1million for a division champ and less for a lesser participant, and bargain rates for anyone else; at the same time, maybe the AAC thinks that it is still better to get our champ up against a 7-5 or 6-6 contract-bowl-conference opponent in one of four bowls that should get a contract-bowl-conference foe instead of the MAC champ, and then the network can pay on scale for G4 champ/runner-up product.

I'm NOT signing up for an NIT like structure, but if there really is TV interest, show me the money.

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This guy is smart.

This is the ESPN folks and their usual "Say it enough and it become true" mentality.
BCS v non-BCS
P5 v G5
Now it the whole "G5 playoffs being considered..." I have seen everlasting of these articles this year. They desperately want another Division to be accepted by the G5. This way they can expand to 8 or 16 teams from the blue bloods without including a G5 team AND not getting sued.

Yeah. That's what it's looking like

There should be no P5 or G5 all 10 FBS conferences should all be CFP and only conference champions should be considered for playoff. Given a chance the so called G5 will hold their own if playing on a level field without the ESPiN "FIX" in affect. It's time to breakup the Mickey Mouse Monopoly.

(01-07-2017 10:33 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Obtw, there is a compromise position on this: if TV partners REALLY think that a matchup of conference champs is desirable, then they should put their money where their mouth is. Especially since McMurphy's "sources" mentioned NBC and CBS in addition to the four-letter network.
December deals can be made: witness Houston going to a non-AAC bowl in Vegas to meet MWC champ SDSU. It made for an intriguing matchup, Disney put it on ABC, and even on the unenviable early date it drew 3 million viewers. So pay us to optimize the matchup.

That might be a pretty narrow solution space - generally speaking, I still would rather have a shot at another P6 than a G4, and I agree with Aresco and Gladchuk that we don't want to lock into a JV structure. But the AAC had two instances this year of contract-bowl-conferences not providing an opponent. Looking at the Navy experience this year, we SHOULD have lined up against a BigXII opponent; as it shook out, we got a game between two conference runner-ups: it got some press as an intriguing matchup beforehand, it got good ratings, and it delivered as its last second field goal put it at the top of some pundits' best bowl game lists.

I'm all in favor of NBC or CBS competing with ESPN for bowl content, so go ahead and throw some money at a post-Christmas bowl if matching up conference champs is good. Structure the contract conditionally, with a $2million dollar payout for a champion, $1million for a division champ and less for a lesser participant, and bargain rates for anyone else; at the same time, maybe the AAC thinks that it is still better to get our champ up against a 7-5 or 6-6 contract-bowl-conference opponent in one of four bowls that should get a contract-bowl-conference foe instead of the MAC champ, and then the network can pay on scale for G4 champ/runner-up product.

I'm NOT signing up for an NIT like structure, but if there really is TV interest, show me the money.

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Which is the main reason I have zero concern that this is on the way. Beside the fact that nobody can find any ADs that seem to be supportive of this so called "growing" idea of a non-power playoff---There are also no networks throwing big money at the idea. Without the money, this kids table playoff idea goes nowhere---even if it really did have some support (which it doesn't).

(01-07-2017 09:17 AM)luvyosef Wrote:  I love these G5 yes-men stating how they "compete" for the same national title. Yeah, sure we all do. Right..............Just say you ain't giving up that CFP money and call it a day. Sick of the G5 being the P5's hooker.

Spot on...

No chance the G5 wins a natty...

Let alone secure a playoff spot - with ZERO room for error.

No separate playoff, but expand the current system to level the playing field (8 team 5/2/1 format)

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Slightly off topic, while watching the Memphis/Tulane game, they referred to some of the Privileged 5 schools as P5. Just goes to show how stupid the people that are supposed to be well informed professionals are, the ESPiN P5 label does not apply to basketball. Basketball is still controlled by the NCAA... just makes me wonder if the idiots that vote for the poles think the same way.

(01-08-2017 04:56 PM)BEAST Football Wrote:  ... just makes me wonder if the idiots that vote for the poles think the same way.

I'm hoping you did that on purpose.

Just a question for the board. Let's say it was like this - if you are in the top 4, 6, 8 or whatever the current playoff becomes, you go to the playoff. However, say no non-contract school qualifies for the playoff, then you end up with the best 8 non-contract schools in a tournament. Those 8 teams are guaranteed $1MM for making it in. The four teams that make the second round are guaranteed an additional $2MM per team. Make the final and you get another $3MM and the winner gets a $1MM bonus.

So, if you win the thing you earn $7MM. The total purse is $23MM, which is a reasonable sum for a network to pay for a 7 game package and about 28 hours of programming (32 hours with pre and post game shows). Would that be enough payout to make any kind of difference?

G5 PLAYOFFS BABY!
And the crowd goes wild!


Seriously, perfect world 8 team CFP:
6 P6 Teams (one from each conference)
1 G4
1 At large

I like the idea of two divisions in FBS, I mean why not?
As long as we remain FBS
We the allied power division will be making our own rules
I can't stand the axis power punks telling us what we can and can't do
It's just like the Boston Tea Party
It's time to bite the bullet, get some recruits and coaches and a bunch more fans and in about maybe 5 years a whole lot more money
Then at this point a championship game will be necessary becouse of all the bickering about the AP poll
Allied power division
Vs
Axis power division

(01-07-2017 09:40 AM)Phil Lacio Wrote:  

(01-07-2017 09:22 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The whole idea is idiotic. Need to stand pat, and if playoff goes to 8 when this deal is up then demand a spot for G5 in the 8, plus and Access bowl. 5 P5 champs, Top ranked G5, and 2 at large.

Agreed

Quote:The G5 to date has not had a team that should have been considered top 4.

Houston almost did it.

Which season are you referring to? They had the schedule to get there this year, but 3 losses isn't very close. They've had the record in the past, but against much weaker schedules.

It seems like only a matter of time before someone actually runs the table on a worthy schedule to push the issue, but I agree that it hasn't happened yet.

I don't care about the blue bloods of college football
I want to see the new bloods of college football
I want to see the allied power new bloods division defeat the evil axis power
Tear down the Wall
We can do this, I mean if an African swallow can carry a 16 ounce coconut 4000 miles from the tropics to England at velocitys unheard of the n we as a people can rise up and become our own masters.

(01-09-2017 08:48 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't care about the blue bloods of college football
I want to see the new bloods of college football
I want to see the allied power new bloods division defeat the evil axis power
Tear down the Wall
We can do this, I mean if an African swallow can carry a 16 ounce coconut 4000 miles from the tropics to England at velocitys unheard of the n we as a people can rise up and become our own masters.

African swallows are nonmigratory.