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(01-06-2017 06:21 PM)NYbronco Wrote:  I would be interested in seeing how long he wants to keep coaching, He is getting older. I would love to have him come in and build in an OC as a replacement in the future. I think the idea of bringing in Miles and try to get him to hire Lester as a future replacement and perhaps be the lead on recruiting would be great.

This right here is a damn fine idea.

Les said today he'd consider a G5 job. Is there a better G5 job in the country right now? I don't think so. So was he posturing for a shot here? I'd like to know that for starters.

(01-06-2017 07:14 PM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 06:21 PM)NYbronco Wrote:  I would be interested in seeing how long he wants to keep coaching, He is getting older. I would love to have him come in and build in an OC as a replacement in the future. I think the idea of bringing in Miles and try to get him to hire Lester as a future replacement and perhaps be the lead on recruiting would be great.

This right here is a damn fine idea.

(01-06-2017 07:14 PM)stdatwmu Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 06:21 PM)NYbronco Wrote:  I would be interested in seeing how long he wants to keep coaching, He is getting older. I would love to have him come in and build in an OC as a replacement in the future. I think the idea of bringing in Miles and try to get him to hire Lester as a future replacement and perhaps be the lead on recruiting would be great.

This right here is a damn fine idea.

On board. All of these no name hires are great when your 4-8.... but we're not, and the talent is there for serious sustained success. I.e - Tanner Morgan etc. We can compete for 12-14 wins annually - that means possible CFP implications (Houston 2016) - so no - Miles isn't talking MAC Championships (which don't mean anything) he'd be a hero bringing that to G5 - with foundation here - he has pathway for national success.

No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

(01-06-2017 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

Recruiting... retain Ciarrocca as OC and it's a slam dunk.

(01-06-2017 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

Exactly - so the opportunity to bring a National Champ coach in is what is needed. We don't need rah rah - we need quality coach. Fleck was necessary to get us engaged and over hump - we don't need a fleck 2.0 now - we need a coach who can continue to grow and develop the program.

(01-06-2017 07:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

Recruiting... retain Ciarrocca as OC and it's a slam dunk.

You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

(01-06-2017 07:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

Recruiting... retain Ciarrocca as OC and it's a slam dunk.

I'd give him a shot at the top job if he's interested and not going to Minnesota with PJ.

(01-06-2017 07:28 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:23 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No to Les Miles. Nothing against him personally but he's in his 60s. We need a younger more energetic coach. Also there might be some significant financial obstacles. I don't know any details, but had read elsewhere that there may be a buyout type scenario involved, as LSU owes him significant $$$.

Unlike last time we hired a coach, the landscape and reputation of WMU may have changed quite a bit. Not many were interested last time. I suspect it may be different this time around.

I hope, at least.....

Recruiting... retain Ciarrocca as OC and it's a slam dunk.

I'd give him a shot at the top job if he's interested and not going to Minnesota with PJ.

Sigh.

(01-06-2017 07:27 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

Sorry but I disagree with the whole Les Miles push. He got fired from one of the big football factories. His offense was a dinosaur and a joke and boring as hell to watch. Can an old dog learn new tricks? It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. Can he relate to today's players? He's old school but you know that.

We're going to lose a significant chunk of this recruiting class anyway. PJ will probably take a few of them with him. Others will shop around.

Que Sera, Sera

(01-06-2017 07:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:27 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

Sorry but I disagree with the whole Les Miles push. He got fired from one of the big football factories. His offense was a dinosaur and a joke and boring as hell to watch. Can an old dog learn new tricks? It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. Can he relate to today's players? He's old school but you know that.

We're going to lose a significant chunk of this recruiting class anyway. PJ will probably take a few of them with him. Others will shop around.

Que Sera, Sera

Yeah because our offense was so special to watch... did you watch the explosive 10 min 4th quarter drive in Cotton Bowl?

Yeah we're going to lose a huge chunk of recruiting class if we go after a hire we would make if we were 4-8. But we're not. So how about we get some stones and get after the coach that drives us further and is actually a better coach (I.e. 77% win percentage in SEC) that will out recruit Fleck. How about that?

He's old school with more players in the NFL than any other program. Yeah - he can't relate.

(01-06-2017 07:43 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:27 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

Sorry but I disagree with the whole Les Miles push. He got fired from one of the big football factories. His offense was a dinosaur and a joke and boring as hell to watch. Can an old dog learn new tricks? It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. Can he relate to today's players? He's old school but you know that.

We're going to lose a significant chunk of this recruiting class anyway. PJ will probably take a few of them with him. Others will shop around.

Que Sera, Sera

Yeah because our offense was so special to watch... did you watch the explosive 10 min 4th quarter drive in Cotton Bowl?

Yeah we're going to lose a huge chunk of recruiting class if we go after a hire we would make if we were 4-8. But we're not. So how about we get some stones and get after the coach that drives us further and is actually a better coach (I.e. 77% win percentage in SEC) that will out recruit Fleck. How about that?

He's old school with more players in the NFL than any other program. Yeah - he can't relate.

I would be happy with Les Miles.

(01-06-2017 07:43 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:27 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

Sorry but I disagree with the whole Les Miles push. He got fired from one of the big football factories. His offense was a dinosaur and a joke and boring as hell to watch. Can an old dog learn new tricks? It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. Can he relate to today's players? He's old school but you know that.

We're going to lose a significant chunk of this recruiting class anyway. PJ will probably take a few of them with him. Others will shop around.

Que Sera, Sera

Yeah because our offense was so special to watch... did you watch the explosive 10 min 4th quarter drive in Cotton Bowl?

Yeah we're going to lose a huge chunk of recruiting class if we go after a hire we would make if we were 4-8. But we're not. So how about we get some stones and get after the coach that drives us further and is actually a better coach (I.e. 77% win percentage in SEC) that will out recruit Fleck. How about that?

He's old school with more players in the NFL than any other program. Yeah - he can't relate.

Our offense set all kinds of records this year. And yes, I did see that drive in the Cotton Bowl - I was there. We weren't trying to score quickly but rather do what we do, which is to control the ball and clock. Yeah, I realize it doesn't work quite the same when you are trailing in the game.

You really think that a former SEC coach that says he wants to coach again and win championships and NATIONAL championships will really want to coach in the MAC? REALLY? You really think that he can out-recruit what Fleck did - at a MAC school? You're delusional. Pretty easy to recruit to an SEC school. Not the same here in the MAC, pal.

You really are earning your money as his agent. One trick pony. There are plenty of other candidates out there. I'm trusting that KB and Dr. Dunn have a short list and contingency plans for the search.

(01-06-2017 08:02 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:43 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 07:27 PM)lancergolf1 Wrote:  You think an OC is key to recruiting? They didn't sign to play for OC - they signed to play for Fleck - any half effort won't keep the majority of these kids.

Sorry but I disagree with the whole Les Miles push. He got fired from one of the big football factories. His offense was a dinosaur and a joke and boring as hell to watch. Can an old dog learn new tricks? It's possible but I wouldn't bet on it. Can he relate to today's players? He's old school but you know that.

We're going to lose a significant chunk of this recruiting class anyway. PJ will probably take a few of them with him. Others will shop around.

Que Sera, Sera

Yeah because our offense was so special to watch... did you watch the explosive 10 min 4th quarter drive in Cotton Bowl?

Yeah we're going to lose a huge chunk of recruiting class if we go after a hire we would make if we were 4-8. But we're not. So how about we get some stones and get after the coach that drives us further and is actually a better coach (I.e. 77% win percentage in SEC) that will out recruit Fleck. How about that?

He's old school with more players in the NFL than any other program. Yeah - he can't relate.

You really think that a former SEC coach that says he wants to coach again and win championships and NATIONAL championships will really want to coach in the MAC? REALLY? You really think that he can out-recruit what Fleck did - at a MAC school? You're delusional. Pretty easy to recruit to an SEC school. Not the same here in the MAC, pal.

You really are earning your money as his agent. One trick pony. There are plenty of other candidates out there. I'm trusting that KB and Dr. Dunn have a short list and contingency plans for the search.

You are so low expectation. If Les Miles and PJ recruit you, who will they choose? Are you out of your mind? Les every day every time. These kids want to win, be the best and hopefully go pro. Les provides all three in spades to Fleck.

And he wants to coach and said doesn't have to be P5 - said today - he's asking for the job.

What you forget, skippy, is that Les won't be recruiting kids to LSU any more. That alone (SEC) gave him a huge leg up on competition for kids.

I'm not low expectation at all. I try to be realistic. Just because we went to the Cotton Bowl does not mean that we are big time. If we hired Miles, after a few years he will realize the futility of trying to get a shot at a National Championship from this conference. He will bolt for the first P5 job that looks like a decent platform for what he desires. He doesn't have much time left. Do we want to roll the dice and hope it works out?

(01-06-2017 08:19 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  What you forget, skippy, is that Les won't be recruiting kids to LSU any more. That alone (SEC) gave him a huge leg up on competition for kids.

I'm not low expectation at all. I try to be realistic. Just because we went to the Cotton Bowl does not mean that we are big time. If we hired Miles, after a few years he will realize the futility of trying to get a shot at a National Championship from this conference. He will bolt for the first P5 job that looks like a decent platform for what he desires. He doesn't have much time left. Do we want to roll the dice and hope it works out?

Yes

(01-06-2017 08:19 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  What you forget, skippy, is that Les won't be recruiting kids to LSU any more. That alone (SEC) gave him a huge leg up on competition for kids.

I'm not low expectation at all. I try to be realistic. Just because we went to the Cotton Bowl does not mean that we are big time. If we hired Miles, after a few years he will realize the futility of trying to get a shot at a National Championship from this conference. He will bolt for the first P5 job that looks like a decent platform for what he desires. He doesn't have much time left. Do we want to roll the dice and hope it works out?

Sounds familiar. . .. . .. . .That's life in the MAC.

Fleck did it in 4 years, maybe Les will get it done in 3.

Les Miles is just an old UM has been.
Let him retire with his existing paycheck.

(01-06-2017 08:19 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  What you forget, skippy, is that Les won't be recruiting kids to LSU any more. That alone (SEC) gave him a huge leg up on competition for kids.

I'm not low expectation at all. I try to be realistic. Just because we went to the Cotton Bowl does not mean that we are big time. If we hired Miles, after a few years he will realize the futility of trying to get a shot at a National Championship from this conference. He will bolt for the first P5 job that looks like a decent platform for what he desires. He doesn't have much time left. Do we want to roll the dice and hope it works out?

Yes, of course - that's what we're doing with any coach - did we not just learn our lesson? So get the best damn coach you can. To hell if he leaves in a year or two - if they're good they're going to leave anyway apparently.

And please - there are 10 programs you go to for the name - other than that - it's who is coaching - if a kid isn't getting recruited to Alabama, Mich, OSU, ND etc. - but they are a heck of an athlete - are you going to go to Minnesota, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, etc. if you get to play under Les Miles? Who has more students in the NFL than anyone else? I.e. someone who can see talent? Coach matters almost more than the school.

(01-06-2017 08:24 PM)okgc Wrote:  Les Miles is just an old UM has been.
Let him retire with his existing paycheck.

Les Miles has won multiple SEC championships... a NATIONAL championship and has huge pull in the coaching circles....

Stop diluting yourselves to think a guy like Les Miles would be a step down...

PJ gives us one MAC championship and all of a sudden we are too good for Les Miles? What the hell has happened here?