(01-06-2017 09:18 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I didn't expect us to be 11-4 at this point.

I look forward to our winning a couple games we're not "supposed" to win. Like the old days.

South Carolina and Oklahoma were 2 of those not supposed to's. Houston, SMU and Cincy will provide 4 more opportunities.

(01-06-2017 11:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:59 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Dedric is certainly an NBA prospect - just think is lack of athleticism is a real issue. Length, skillset, and age are all positives though ...

He is a younger version of Zach Randolph ... imo ... Just more length ... Offensive moves are similar, and the ability to rebound without jumping out of the gym ... Being in the right position at the right time ...

I love Dedric, but I just don't see that comp. Just because they're both not athletic, but still rebound well?

Dedric's stock probably goes down every year he gets older. Plsu, his shot has fallen off this year. IMO, I think he's a great 4-year college basketball player who will make a lot of money oversees after getting a look from some NBA teams.

Just not quick enough to guard modern day 3s or 4s. Not enough offensive versatility to make up for that IMO

I think his stock his risen this year. He was on no draft boards last year. This year, he's starting to get looks.

Could this be the peak of his NBA stock? Yes it could be. Will have to see how it plays out, though.

(01-06-2017 09:18 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I didn't expect us to be 11-4 at this point.

Weird.

I mean, I guess so.

They were 10-5 last year at nearly the same exact point. 12-5 going to Cincinnati.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../year/2016

(01-06-2017 11:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:59 AM)DDrum1961 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 10:18 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Dedric is certainly an NBA prospect - just think is lack of athleticism is a real issue. Length, skillset, and age are all positives though ...

He is a younger version of Zach Randolph ... imo ... Just more length ... Offensive moves are similar, and the ability to rebound without jumping out of the gym ... Being in the right position at the right time ...

I love Dedric, but I just don't see that comp. Just because they're both not athletic, but still rebound well?

Dedric's stock probably goes down every year he gets older. Plsu, his shot has fallen off this year. IMO, I think he's a great 4-year college basketball player who will make a lot of money oversees after getting a look from some NBA teams.

Just not quick enough to guard modern day 3s or 4s. Not enough offensive versatility to make up for that IMO

I can see the similarities and why he would say that...But the huge difference is Zach is strong as an Ox and always has been...Dedric falls over with contact. If Dedric could absorb contact and move people like Zach he would be a solid NBA prospect.

(01-06-2017 12:24 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:18 AM)holyterror Wrote:  I didn't expect us to be 11-4 at this point.

Weird.

I mean, I guess so.

They were 10-5 last year at nearly the same exact point. 12-5 going to Cincinnati.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb.../year/2016

I wonder what Tubby would have done with last year's roster that included Goodwin, Burrell, Tarrant, Woodson, and Marshall in addition to pretty much everybody that plays major minutes now except for Rivers and Clergeot.

Goodwin/Marshal or Chad R - advantage Goodwin/Marshal
Burrell or Rivers - advantage Burrell
Tarrant or Clergeot - advantage Tarrant
Woodson or Kessee - advantage Woodson

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

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I think the obvious comparison is Tayshaun Prince. But I think Prince had a higher defensive IQ and was able to compensate for his athletic deficiencies on the defensive end by being in the right position and sound fundamentally similar to how Mark Gasol is a top defender in the league without elite athleticism.

(01-06-2017 12:39 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

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I agree.

But in the post I was replying to you compared last years record to this years record as if to say this year's was not much better (forgive me if that was not your intent) I was simply pointing out that Josh had more to work with. Tubby has done more (slightly at this point but I expect them to continue to improve) with less.

(01-06-2017 12:44 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:39 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

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I agree.

But in the post I was replying to you compared last years record to this years record as if to say this year's was not much better (forgive me if that was not your intent) I was simply pointing out that Josh had more to work with. Tubby has done more (slightly at this point but I expect them to continue to improve) with less.

Josh had more to work with, but Tubby got guys with more experience.

Josh had 17 year old freshman Dedric Lawson. Tubby got Dedric after a freshman first team AA campaign.

That and Tubby is light years ahead of Josh as a floor coach and obviously player development as well.

My point wasn't who had more talent, but that the team is still talented and the schedule was not that challenging overall - as I said all summer - for about the top 6-7 players, Memphis will have better talent than about 85% of their schedule.

11-4 isn't too shocking to some, others I guess.

(01-06-2017 12:53 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:44 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:39 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

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I agree.

But in the post I was replying to you compared last years record to this years record as if to say this year's was not much better (forgive me if that was not your intent) I was simply pointing out that Josh had more to work with. Tubby has done more (slightly at this point but I expect them to continue to improve) with less.

Josh had more to work with, but Tubby got guys with more experience.

Josh had 17 year old freshman Dedric Lawson. Tubby got Dedric after a freshman first team AA campaign.

That and Tubby is light years ahead of Josh as a floor coach and obviously player development as well.

My point wasn't who had more talent, but that the team is still talented and the schedule was not that challenging overall - as I said all summer - for about the top 6-7 players, Memphis will have better talent than about 85% of their schedule.

11-4 isn't too shocking to some, others I guess.

True...11-4 isn't shocking. Am I a bit surprised? I would say YES. I didn't think the turnaround in the team's play would happen this quick.

(01-06-2017 01:17 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:53 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:44 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:39 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

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I agree.

But in the post I was replying to you compared last years record to this years record as if to say this year's was not much better (forgive me if that was not your intent) I was simply pointing out that Josh had more to work with. Tubby has done more (slightly at this point but I expect them to continue to improve) with less.

Josh had more to work with, but Tubby got guys with more experience.

Josh had 17 year old freshman Dedric Lawson. Tubby got Dedric after a freshman first team AA campaign.

That and Tubby is light years ahead of Josh as a floor coach and obviously player development as well.

My point wasn't who had more talent, but that the team is still talented and the schedule was not that challenging overall - as I said all summer - for about the top 6-7 players, Memphis will have better talent than about 85% of their schedule.

11-4 isn't too shocking to some, others I guess.

True...11-4 isn't shocking. Am I a bit surprised? I would say YES. I didn't think the turnaround in the team's play would happen this quick.

Surprised in turnaround in team play, sure...heck, after the first month, I was beginning to think it was going to take the season to break those bad habits...but record is about where I thought it would be...if you go back and look at it realistically...I think most thought road game at Ole Miss and game against SMU were probably Ls...most prob would've guessed that OU and USC were losses instead of Monmouth and Providence.

Some prob had Providence as an L. I thought it would be a W based on watching them against Rhode Island.

So, about in the ballpark of record.

Nobody on this roster will have a long NBA career

And there's not a thing wrong with it

(01-06-2017 02:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Nobody on this roster will have a long NBA career

And there's not a thing wrong with it

Nothing wrong with that at all.

In today's CBB especially.

How many NBA guys on Butler, Wichita, Dayton, VCU, etc.

(01-06-2017 12:53 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:44 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:39 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 12:38 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I wonder what Tubby would have done with the rosters from 2010 through last year.

Fixed

I agree.

But in the post I was replying to you compared last years record to this years record as if to say this year's was not much better (forgive me if that was not your intent) I was simply pointing out that Josh had more to work with. Tubby has done more (slightly at this point but I expect them to continue to improve) with less.

Josh had more to work with, but Tubby got guys with more experience.

Josh had 17 year old freshman Dedric Lawson. Tubby got Dedric after a freshman first team AA campaign.

That and Tubby is light years ahead of Josh as a floor coach and obviously player development as well.

My point wasn't who had more talent, but that the team is still talented and the schedule was not that challenging overall - as I said all summer - for about the top 6-7 players, Memphis will have better talent than about 85% of their schedule.

11-4 isn't too shocking to some, others I guess.

My first post but I disagree with this post so much

I think this posts wreaks of entitlement and arrogance that no one in the country has players. Bud we have 4 starters on this team not five

Of the starters oh main starter is a sophomore that should be a freshman in Dedric
Martin is a sophomore that received few minutes and inconsistent minutes last year building zero confidence
KJ a player that played 10 games last year
Crawford who shot 3% from three last year
And then seriously who is the fifth??? Rivers a juco first year guy, randle who most didn't realize was apart of the roster until this year or cler... who is a freshman

Fact is we are young. These players had zero coaching last year so not only are we young but are inexperienced in how to play the game. I cannot believe how negative you have been on Tubby and this roster. They continue to improve with an incomplete roster

Tarrant and Shaq had more D1 experience going into last season than our entire roster this year.

(01-06-2017 02:37 PM)UpperTiger Wrote:  Tarrant and Shaq had more D1 experience going into last season than our entire roster this year.

Yeah...and...

Pretty sure East Carolina and Tulane and Hawaii and Drake and Fresno State and Charlotte others start plenty of juniors and seniors yet they lose a lot of games.

Experience isn't everything.

It's certainly nice to have, but it's not the end all be all.

What a lot of teams don't have is a 6-9 McDonald's AA who averages 20 and 10.

Those teams also don't have a 6'9 McD All-American averaging 16 and 9. And another senior top 50 big man averaging 14 and 8. The comparison here seems to be last year's team to this year's. Has nothing to do with ECU or Fresno???

I think it's hard to argue this team is more experienced, which is the tangent that the last few posts got on.

Other dude brought up experience. I factor that little when looking at talent disparities.

Give me Kentucky or Duke over a senior laden Illinois team...etc.

(01-06-2017 02:25 PM)TubbyBall Wrote:  I think this posts wreaks of entitlement and arrogance that no one in the country has players. Bud we have 4 starters on this team not five

They actually have 5 starters.

Unlike Hoosiers the movie you kind of have to have 5 players on the floor in DI.

And Rivers, that juco you don't know about...he scored 16 points last night.

He was also rated top 20 in JC.

NEXT

Which reminds me anybody got an update...How is Rivers limp? Wasn't he limping off