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While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
How do you rank the SBC coaching staffs.
Off the top of my head I would put Idaho, Troy and AppSt are at the top, and A-State (hurt because they really do not have a HC), and ULL at the bottom, with everyone else somewhere in between.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
I would put Southern's staff at the bottom half simply because of how they mishandled last season's senior class.
Tyson has a long way to go to regain trust of a good bit of the fan base.
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2017 09:32 AM by TheEagleWay.)
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
So you started a thread so you could ***** about Anderson? Jeez, dude, what did he do to you?
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 09:36 AM)sdcritter Wrote: So you started a thread so you could ***** about Anderson? Jeez, dude, what did he do to you?
SemenHole sent Anderson a Valentines card a couple years ago hoping it would get him a "special" invite to a personal one on one interview and Blake wrote "return to sender without even opening it. I tell ya, the guy is obsessed with Anderson like some google eyed teeny bopper.
Meanwhile....ASUs coaching staff, despite their flaws, still led the Red Wolves to their fifth football title in six years in the Sunbelt this year. A shared title this time but a title nonetheless.
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2017 10:06 AM by StAteRedWolf.)
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 09:31 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote: I would put Southern's staff at the bottom half simply because of how they mishandled last season's senior class.
Tyson has a long way to go to regain trust of a good bit of the fan base.
I would put last years coaching staff at the bottom considering they've all been fired save for Tyson Summers. This new staff coming in is unrankable for now
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
1) Anderson: He continues winning conference titles
2) Hud: He has the tightest shirts in the conference
3) Summers: I really love what he's doing at GS
4) Martin: Amazing how he can coach the Aggies and play RB for Tampa Bay
5) Withers: He's an App guy, need I say more?
6) Elliott: (see above)
7) Viator: Inherited dumpster fire but he's found a half used extinguisher
8) Jones: Struggles a bit in conference but does represent OOC. O'fer against the option!
9) Petrino: He Vandalized most of the conference with one hand tied behind his back
10) Moglia: Billionaire!
11) Brown: Struggles to keep his team focused after being ranked
12) Satterfield: Guess App is stuck with him through the end of his contract...please pray for App!
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 10:02 AM)StAteRedWolf Wrote: ASUs coaching staff, despite their flaws, still led the Red Wolves to their fifth football title in six years in the Sunbelt this year. A shared title this time but a title nonetheless.
Winning the Sun Belt is not my ultimate goal for the program. Nor, is it the stated ultimate goal of this coaching staff, or our Athletic Director.
There are a lot of flaws with this coaching staff, which don't require one to be a "google eyed teeny bopper" to see.
Ignoring that reality holds the potential to harm the growth of the program, much like ignoring Dickey Nutt's flaws harmed the basketball program.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 10:32 AM)asuwon Wrote: (01-05-2017 10:02 AM)StAteRedWolf Wrote: ASUs coaching staff, despite their flaws, still led the Red Wolves to their fifth football title in six years in the Sunbelt this year. A shared title this time but a title nonetheless.
Winning the Sun Belt is not my ultimate goal for the program. Nor, is it the stated ultimate goal of this coaching staff, or our Athletic Director.
There are a lot of flaws with this coaching staff, which don't require one to be a "google eyed teeny bopper" to see.
Ignoring that reality holds the potential to harm the growth of the program, much like ignoring Dickey Nutt's flaws harmed the basketball program.
Actually I don't have a strong feel for Anderson other than he comes across as a little thin-skinned, and immature ( says stupid things and makes contradictory excuses) for an FBS HC, and some of his ideas appear a little goofy on the surface.
For the most part the I just pass along what their supporters are saying to me, and some are pretty influential.
Bottom line is that his excuses early on did not add up, and he seemed to contradict himself.
The backup field goal kicker making all his kicks in the bowl game, after their inept starter blew the SBC Championship in the ULL game, really opened Pandora's box for Anderson, among the A-State supporters that I know.
For the most part I don't think they think they have a HC.
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01-05-2017 11:00 AM |
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 10:18 AM)moonshine Wrote: 7) Viator: Inherited dumpster fire but he's found a half used extinguisher
This made me laugh and I thought it deserved to be recognized. Well done.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
1) Apps Satterfield...also rebuilt his program and two 10 win seasons a conference championship and two bowl wins is impressive.
2) Troys Brown and staff. Was one of two programs to only win 4 or fewer games last year to 10 wins this year ( Colorado is other) last year we saw big improvement just the wins didn't show. Vic Koenning the D.C. Is one of the best in the business with multiple top 10 national defenses at multiple schools. Getting a SBC program ranked for the first time in history in 2nd year is impressive too. This staff is probably 1st in the conference but need 1 more year to prove it.
3) Idaho Patrino. Can't deny a 9 win season is probably nearly impossible at Idaho right now but he pulled it off. Recruiting has to be one of the toughest in the country there.
4) stAtes Anderson. Has won 2 conference championships but can't win many of the OOC games... I feel this program has regressed a bit under Anderson. I could see them regressing even more next year as the fans are already a bit restless.
5) USAs Jones... tho his peak seems to be 6 wins he has a couple bowls and OOC wins under his belt. The seat is getting warmer for him to win more tho.
6) ULL hudspith... really I don't want to put him this high but he has won more at ULL than any other coach I believe. But the NCAA violations hold him down here. Several bowls and wins. Was surprised he was able to get to 6 wins this year.
7) ULM Viator... don't know a lot about him or whatnot, ULM fans seem to like what he's done so far so I guess he's shown a bit of improvement in his first year.
8) GS Summers... I feel like GS is re arranging the deck chairs on the titanic. This guy has lied to the administration and fans on what he's gonna do. I probably should put him last.
9) Texas state Withers... first year head coach with a depleted team. About what everyone expected this year.
10) NMSU Martin... had been good for about 3 wins a year at NMSU... with a overall HC record of a wonderful 421–616–30 he's dead last in SBC.
GA State Elliott not ranked as he's not proved anything year
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
1. Petrino...Idaho is trending upward since he arrived. Winning where it's not easy to win.
2. Brown...he has made the rebuilding quicker than it should've been at Troy. Don't think they have peaked yet.
3. Satterfield...App fans might complain he isn't higher, but to say he's the best coach in the SBC might be taking too much credit from App's program.
4. Moglia...really seems to be picking up momentum. Should be a mid-level SBC team in their first season.
5. Hudspeth...how easily some Cajun fans forget what their program was before he arrived.
6. Anderson...very dismal start, but at least he blew things up and started over from scratch and finished strong.
7. Jones...could probably recruit a little better than he does, but at least puts some good game plans together for nice wins.
8. Martin...poor record at a school where it's tough to win...has squeezed out some decent wins.
9. Viator...not overly impressed so far, but it's only one season.
10. Withers...sorry, but I think Texas State ought to be able to do better than they did. Maybe JMU made him look better than he really is? JMU is dominating FCS now that they have Mike Houston.
11. Summers....It's not close. Took the guy who was leading the FBS all time in career yards per carry and made him look like a scrub, took a core of offensive players that lead the country over two seasons by a significant margin and made them look inept. Said he wanted our defensive linemen to trim down and most of them more chunky.
Not counted: Sean Elliot.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 12:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: 10. Withers...sorry, but I think Texas State ought to be able to do better than they did. Maybe JMU made him look better than he really is? JMU is dominating FCS now that they have Mike Houston.
I don't know about the JMU comparison... I'd almost argue Mike Houston is doing well because Withers knew how to recruit.
But in placement? I actually agree. It wasn't that we lost 10 games, it was how we weren't competitive in any of them. Reminded me of Fran's first season here, where he basically just mailed in the first season. I recognize the cupboard was bare, and that he inherited a 3-9 team, but at least in many of those games (USM to start), we weren't just blown out.
Not ready to call him a failure... But 2-10 just isn't acceptable.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
I believed Neal Brown deserved COY for this year but I don't know how anyone could argue that there's anyone in this conference doing a better job than Paul Petrino. For crying out loud, the guy just won 9 games while his conference was chopping his nuts off and his own school president was holding his head in a toilet.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 12:51 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote: (01-05-2017 12:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: 10. Withers...sorry, but I think Texas State ought to be able to do better than they did. Maybe JMU made him look better than he really is? JMU is dominating FCS now that they have Mike Houston.
I don't know about the JMU comparison... I'd almost argue Mike Houston is doing well because Withers knew how to recruit.
But in placement? I actually agree. It wasn't that we lost 10 games, it was how we weren't competitive in any of them. Reminded me of Fran's first season here, where he basically just mailed in the first season. I recognize the cupboard was bare, and that he inherited a 3-9 team, but at least in many of those games (USM to start), we weren't just blown out.
Not ready to call him a failure... But 2-10 just isn't acceptable.
Give him another year. Texas State 2016 reminded me of Idaho 2014. They played hard, they just didn't have enough guys to keep it going and wore out (lack of depth would also partially explain the better results earlier in the year). I bet they're a lot more competitive this year with Withers getting a chance to stock up on some more of his guys.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 12:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: 1. Petrino...Idaho is trending upward since he arrived. Winning where it's not easy to win.
2. Brown...he has made the rebuilding quicker than it should've been at Troy. Don't think they have peaked yet.
3. Satterfield...App fans might complain he isn't higher, but to say he's the best coach in the SBC might be taking too much credit from App's program.
4. Moglia...really seems to be picking up momentum. Should be a mid-level SBC team in their first season.
5. Hudspeth...how easily some Cajun fans forget what their program was before he arrived.
6. Anderson...very dismal start, but at least he blew things up and started over from scratch and finished strong.
7. Jones...could probably recruit a little better than he does, but at least puts some good game plans together for nice wins.
8. Martin...poor record at a school where it's tough to win...has squeezed out some decent wins.
9. Viator...not overly impressed so far, but it's only one season.
10. Withers...sorry, but I think Texas State ought to be able to do better than they did. Maybe JMU made him look better than he really is? JMU is dominating FCS now that they have Mike Houston.
11. Summers....It's not close. Took the guy who was leading the FBS all time in career yards per carry and made him look like a scrub, took a core of offensive players that lead the country over two seasons by a significant margin and made them look inept. Said he wanted our defensive linemen to trim down and most of them more chunky.
Not counted: Sean Elliot.
I don't think any Cajun fans have forgotten what Hud has accomplished. He inherited more (resource wise) than any other coach, and came in with a lot of enthusiasm, building excitement and winning early. He just stagnated too quickly, and in the process had the NCAA violations and has pissed off a lot of high rollers on the donation side. Sadly, this is a "what have you done for me lately" business; and his "lately" is NOT very good.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
Satt deserves to be in the top 2 he took over a program that not only was making the transition to FBS, but also was in a serious decline due to the last 3 or 4 years of Moore's tenure as HC. SS and his staff basically took a team, with slightly above average FCS talent, and in two years was competing for the SBC championship, cant wait to see what he does now that he has FBS talent at every starting position, and depth at almost every position
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
The top 3 or 4 coaches in the SBC are pretty obvious.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 10:32 AM)asuwon Wrote: (01-05-2017 10:02 AM)StAteRedWolf Wrote: ASUs coaching staff, despite their flaws, still led the Red Wolves to their fifth football title in six years in the Sunbelt this year. A shared title this time but a title nonetheless.
Winning the Sun Belt is not my ultimate goal for the program. Nor, is it the stated ultimate goal of this coaching staff, or our Athletic Director.
There are a lot of flaws with this coaching staff, which don't require one to be a "google eyed teeny bopper" to see.
Ignoring that reality holds the potential to harm the growth of the program, much like ignoring Dickey Nutt's flaws harmed the basketball program.
I never said to ignore the flaws. Just pointing out that despite the flaws they can still win conference titles. Which is still certainly better than having flaws AND not winning league titles.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
(01-05-2017 12:41 PM)EigenEagle Wrote: 1. Petrino...Idaho is trending upward since he arrived. Winning where it's not easy to win.
2. Brown...he has made the rebuilding quicker than it should've been at Troy. Don't think they have peaked yet.
3. Satterfield...App fans might complain he isn't higher, but to say he's the best coach in the SBC might be taking too much credit from App's program.
4. Moglia...really seems to be picking up momentum. Should be a mid-level SBC team in their first season.
5. Hudspeth...how easily some Cajun fans forget what their program was before he arrived.
6. Anderson...very dismal start, but at least he blew things up and started over from scratch and finished strong.
7. Jones...could probably recruit a little better than he does, but at least puts some good game plans together for nice wins.
8. Martin...poor record at a school where it's tough to win...has squeezed out some decent wins.
9. Viator...not overly impressed so far, but it's only one season.
10. Withers...sorry, but I think Texas State ought to be able to do better than they did. Maybe JMU made him look better than he really is? JMU is dominating FCS now that they have Mike Houston.
11. Summers....It's not close. Took the guy who was leading the FBS all time in career yards per carry and made him look like a scrub, took a core of offensive players that lead the country over two seasons by a significant margin and made them look inept. Said he wanted our defensive linemen to trim down and most of them more chunky.
Not counted: Sean Elliot.
Thanks for shedding a little on why you ranked them.
All I've ever gone by was the roster talent comparisons between the teams in SBC, and was in the dark on coaching, other than what the A-State fans that interact with me think about theirs.
I do think going forward, coaching is going to be a bigger factor in winning championships than is has been the last 5-6 years. The FBS newbies are getting their rosters up to snuff with every recruiting class.
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RE: While you guys/gals are ranking things in the SBC
The real question here is Blake Anderson: great coach or greatest coach? Am I right Seminole Indian?
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