(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Last 7 minutes looked like Forrest Gump was coaching.
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Last 7 minutes looked like Forrest Gump was coaching.
I was stunned when he chose not to punt the ball. "Stupid is as stupid does"
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
That's been the Joey Jones show for every FBS seasons save one. We fade in the 4th quarter and we fade as the season progresses.
CJJ cannot recruit a running back, so we rely on a gimmicky, gambling offense that sometimes clicks but frequently fails. We've never beaten any team that runs an option. It wouldn't surprise me if the data showed that the reason for that is that since we cannot run the ball (and we can't), that our defense gets burned out against teams that play grind it out football.
I'm glad we beat Troy, but I'll reserve judgement on whether Jones has earned an extension until after the ULM, Ga State, and ULL games.
Here's my criteria for keeping Jones
1) He must have at least 7 regular season wins. 8 would be better.
2) He needs to figure out how to produce a consistent offense.
3) We need to figure out how to hold leads
4) If he stays, he needs to figure out how to get some sort of running game going...and X man and or OL ain't getting the job done. And they probably won't. We need to place a very high priority on recruiting some decent running backs and OL. Both QBs leave after next year. If we're breaking in a new QB that isn't all that without a running game....its going to get really, really ugly.
(This post was last modified: 10-14-2017 02:10 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
I watched the clip and I heard a lot of UAB names. how many game would jones have won without getting a bunch of starters off UAB?
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
I watched the clip and I heard a lot of UAB names. how many game would jones have won without getting a bunch of starters off UAB?
We'll never know. Your school quit, so we gave some guys a home. It is what it is.
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
That's been the Joey Jones show for every FBS seasons save one. We fade in the 4th quarter and we fade as the season progresses.
CJJ cannot recruit a running back, so we rely on a gimmicky, gambling offense that sometimes clicks but frequently fails. We've never beaten any team that runs an option. It wouldn't surprise me if the data showed that the reason for that is that since we cannot run the ball (and we can't), that our defense gets burned out against teams that play grind it out football.
I'm glad we beat Troy, but I'll reserve judgement on whether Jones has earned an extension until after the ULM, Ga State, and ULL games.
Here's my criteria for keeping Jones
1) He must have at least 7 regular season wins. 8 would be better.
2) He needs to figure out how to produce a consistent offense.
3) We need to figure out how to hold leads
4) If he stays, he needs to figure out how to get some sort of running game going...and X man and or OL ain't getting the job done. And they probably won't. We need to place a very high priority on recruiting some decent running backs and OL. Both QBs leave after next year. If we're breaking in a new QB that isn't all that without a running game....its going to get really, really ugly.
Xavier Johnson is a really good running back and Tre Minter will prove to be one as well.
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
I watched the clip and I heard a lot of UAB names. how many game would jones have won without getting a bunch of starters off UAB?
Interesting question. I wonder if he might have won a couple more in that first year. With your former QB - all the opposing secondary coaches had to do was look for the former UAB receivers to cover since he rarely ever threw to the South receivers who were there before he arrived. Can't blame him for tossing the ball to Gerald Everett though...that's a no-brainer right there.
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2017 02:32 PM by airtroop.)
(10-12-2017 04:46 AM)Usajags Wrote: We don't put teams away, ever. Last night Joey out thought the situation instead of putting the game away. We haven't been in that situation in the past 5 plus years, no experience with it. Bad play calling for sure, even with the big win, we have bone head play calling to end what was a great game.
Watching the game, you go wow, he's got it figured out, last 7 minutes, "No he doesn't".......
Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
That's been the Joey Jones show for every FBS seasons save one. We fade in the 4th quarter and we fade as the season progresses.
CJJ cannot recruit a running back, so we rely on a gimmicky, gambling offense that sometimes clicks but frequently fails. We've never beaten any team that runs an option. It wouldn't surprise me if the data showed that the reason for that is that since we cannot run the ball (and we can't), that our defense gets burned out against teams that play grind it out football.
I'm glad we beat Troy, but I'll reserve judgement on whether Jones has earned an extension until after the ULM, Ga State, and ULL games.
Here's my criteria for keeping Jones
1) He must have at least 7 regular season wins. 8 would be better.
2) He needs to figure out how to produce a consistent offense.
3) We need to figure out how to hold leads
4) If he stays, he needs to figure out how to get some sort of running game going...and X man and or OL ain't getting the job done. And they probably won't. We need to place a very high priority on recruiting some decent running backs and OL. Both QBs leave after next year. If we're breaking in a new QB that isn't all that without a running game....its going to get really, really ugly.
Xavier Johnson is a really good running back and Tre Minter will prove to be one as well.
Here are our rushing figures for the year so far against FBS competition
Ole Miss - XJ 33, Minter 83, total 170
Okla State - XJ 36,Minter 12, total FORTY ONE
Idaho XJ 155, Minter 48, total 244
La Tech XJ 89, Minter 17, total 98
Troy XJ 4 (injured), Minter 21, total FORTY EIGHT
We've had one decent running game and one good one this year vs FBS. And even against Alabama A&M we only gained 158 yards on the ground. We're averaging 100.6 yards per game vs FBS. Easily in the bottom 25 teams in the country. Last year, we averaged 130.4 (bottom 25). 2015, we averaged 155 ypg (around 85th). The year, before 171 ypg (which was actually pretty good).
We've been moving steadily backwards on the running game. Xavier might be better than his stats. Minter might grow into the role. But we really don't have much of a running game now, and we haven't had much of one for a couple of years.
I hope you're right about Minter. Or that Xavier and the OL can step it up. But I'm just not seeing it.
I think the lack of an effective (not excellent, but simply effective) running game has cost us at least 4 games in the last 2 years. And kept us out of at least 2 more that were winnable.
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We went 0-7 in the first half versus Troy on 3rd downs. A lot of that was because we couldn't move the ball more than 2 yards most times on 1st down. I suspect the rest of the season has been similar. Basically, the defense plan against USA is as follows....stack the box on first (we usually run it up the gut), then place emphasis on defensive receivers on downs 2 and 3. Then wait for the punt after that. We aren't awful, but our running game isn't really helping us.
(This post was last modified: 10-15-2017 03:42 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
(10-12-2017 09:49 AM)arkstfan Wrote: Was texting about the game with some friends last night. Of course got a kick out of the clips from AState's win over Troy because it came after a buddy said "How about showing last year when Troy folded after a big win" shortly after some clips from LSU. Then when Troy came back to score and make the 2pt conversion it was "Time to show USA trying to close out a big lead, I have a suggestion for the game to use".
Its really unfortunate that ESPN didn't show those highlights, as it was most certainly a Tuesday Night tilt. But none to worry, the Internet has saved the 4th quarter for us in all its glory.
I had forgotten how good USA had looked for 3 quarters...and then.
That's been the Joey Jones show for every FBS seasons save one. We fade in the 4th quarter and we fade as the season progresses.
CJJ cannot recruit a running back, so we rely on a gimmicky, gambling offense that sometimes clicks but frequently fails. We've never beaten any team that runs an option. It wouldn't surprise me if the data showed that the reason for that is that since we cannot run the ball (and we can't), that our defense gets burned out against teams that play grind it out football.
I'm glad we beat Troy, but I'll reserve judgement on whether Jones has earned an extension until after the ULM, Ga State, and ULL games.
Here's my criteria for keeping Jones
1) He must have at least 7 regular season wins. 8 would be better.
2) He needs to figure out how to produce a consistent offense.
3) We need to figure out how to hold leads
4) If he stays, he needs to figure out how to get some sort of running game going...and X man and or OL ain't getting the job done. And they probably won't. We need to place a very high priority on recruiting some decent running backs and OL. Both QBs leave after next year. If we're breaking in a new QB that isn't all that without a running game....its going to get really, really ugly.
Xavier Johnson is a really good running back and Tre Minter will prove to be one as well.
Here are our rushing figures for the year so far against FBS competition
Ole Miss - XJ 33, Minter 83, total 170
Okla State - XJ 36,Minter 12, total FORTY ONE
Idaho XJ 155, Minter 48, total 244
La Tech XJ 89, Minter 17, total 98
Troy XJ 4 (injured), Minter 21, total FORTY EIGHT
We've had one decent running game and one good one this year vs FBS. And even against Alabama A&M we only gained 158 yards on the ground. We're averaging 100.6 yards per game vs FBS. Easily in the bottom 25 teams in the country. Last year, we averaged 130.4 (bottom 25). 2015, we averaged 155 ypg (around 85th). The year, before 171 ypg (which was actually pretty good).
We've been moving steadily backwards on the running game. Xavier might be better than his stats. Minter might grow into the role. But we really don't have much of a running game now, and we haven't had much of one for a couple of years.
I hope you're right about Minter. Or that Xavier and the OL can step it up. But I'm just not seeing it.
I think the lack of an effective (not excellent, but simply effective) running game has cost us at least 4 games in the last 2 years. And kept us out of at least 2 more that were winnable.
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We went 0-7 in the first half versus Troy on 3rd downs. A lot of that was because we couldn't move the ball more than 2 yards most times on 1st down. I suspect the rest of the season has been similar. Basically, the defense plan against USA is as follows....stack the box on first (we usually run it up the gut), then place emphasis on defensive receivers on downs 2 and 3. Then wait for the punt after that. We aren't awful, but our running game isn't really helping us.
Xavier Johnson has averaged six yards per carry for over 2,500 yards in his career. He’s been an outstanding running back. Minter was one of the best junior college running backs in the nation last season and is proving a valuable weapon in the passing game with an 18.3 yards per reception on his seven catches. He’ll get untracked on the ground as well. Playing Troy’s defense will hurt every team’s rushing statistics.
The biggest problem USA has had this season is that the top two QBs haven’t been healthy which has let opposing defenses load up against the run. Dallas Davis finally looked recovered from his offseason surgeries on Wednesday. If the QB play improves, the running game will as well.
Whether it does or doesn’t, however, there’s no doubt that improving the rushing offense has been a top priority of CJJ’s the last couple of seasons.
Since you said you suspect things have been the same in other non-Troy games this year, I can infer you haven’t watched them much this year. I encourage you to try as I think you’ll see a pretty good team.
(This post was last modified: 10-16-2017 07:40 AM by AtlantaJag.)
When we got all those UAB players, It might have hurt more it would have helped. Trying to add that many players and their old OC back in to mix could have affected chemistry. The qb(Clements?) had shoulder problems much of that year, he only looked for his guys. If we had a healthy qb that year we could have done more. For the Troy game I would have thought Garvin would have the rust gone, but Davis came in and made good throws.
OK. In all actuality, Jones won't be fired; he is in the last season of his contract and the AD said the decision to extend would be made at the end of the season. For Jones to stay, the goals were to compete for a Belt championship and win bowl games. Neither have or (apparently) will be accomplished this season. It is obvious Jones is no game day coach, nor has he been able to properly prepare his teams. After tonight, barring an absolute miracle we most likely won't be bowling. I'm ready to see a better product than what Jones is capable of producing.
If Jones is let go at season's end, who do they hire some unproven asst. coach? lt possibly could be more of the same. I don't believe the school is willing to pay much for a good coach. May as well keep Jonesy.
(This post was last modified: 10-26-2017 09:51 PM by JoeJag.)
If the school isn't willing to pay, then we might as well shutter the program and put the money back into our pathetic basketball program. At least we have an on campus arena for that.
Oh, by the way, looking at the salaries of the other Sun Belt coaches, a few schools are having much more success with their programs while paying their coaches about $100k more than Jones is getting. And in all seriousness, if the administration and (some) fans are seriously fine with a lackluster football team why bother fielding one in the first place?
