(12-14-2016 04:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  So you believe all corporations at all time should act for the good of the current administration and put their policies first? (be it bush, obama, or trump)

Perhaps not in every single instance but for example, would you have been American companies profiting by selling products to the Germans during WWI or WWII?

If we are to believe, like Romney, that corporations are people, shouldn't they be held to an ethical standard like humans? Or should they simply care only about the pockets of their share holders.

Perhaps you should do a little research into how Fanta was created.

Interesting. I didn't know that about Fanta. How do you feel about that?

I don't care one way or another.

So you don't care if American companies respect American foreign policy or not?

Got it.

Who cares? We made money!!!

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:32 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

Quote:the entirety of U.S. aid and military spending in the country directed through the U.S. Embassy in the capital, N'Djamena, amounted to less than twenty million dollars annually,

This is not the fault of ExxonMobil.

Of course not but do you think it was ethical for Exxon to undermine U.S. foreign policy for their own personal gain?

So you believe all corporations at all time should act for the good of the current administration and put their policies first? (be it bush, obama, or trump)

Perhaps not in every single instance but for example, would you have been American companies profiting by selling products to the Germans during WWI or WWII?

Well lets talk WWII, a war we as a society wanted little to do with before the Japanese dragged us in. If you did not know just how evil Hitler was and what was going on would it be morally wrong to sell him something? serious question...

I mean let's say.... China.... Should we be doing any business with China?

Quote:If we are to believe, like Romney, that corporations are people, shouldn't they be held to an ethical standard like humans?

Nobody believes that a corporation is a person... We believe that as an assembly of people they have the same speech rights as say a labor union, or a church body, or a black lives matters rally.

If we want to have a serious conversation on the matter of corporate ethics and accountability let's start there.

Sure if you're running a company and you sell tools to a drug lord that you know he will use to kill and mame then you need to be held to account.

(12-14-2016 04:14 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:32 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  This is not the fault of ExxonMobil.

Of course not but do you think it was ethical for Exxon to undermine U.S. foreign policy for their own personal gain?

So you believe all corporations at all time should act for the good of the current administration and put their policies first? (be it bush, obama, or trump)

Perhaps not in every single instance but for example, would you have been American companies profiting by selling products to the Germans during WWI or WWII?

Well lets talk WWII, a war we as a society wanted little to do with before the Japanese dragged us in. If you did not know just how evil Hitler was and what was going on would it be morally wrong to sell him something? serious question...

I mean let's say.... China.... Should we be doing any business with China?

Quote:If we are to believe, like Romney, that corporations are people, shouldn't they be held to an ethical standard like humans?

Nobody believes that a corporation is a person... We believe that as an assembly of people they have the same speech rights as say a labor union, or a church body, or a black lives matters rally.

If we want to have a serious conversation on the matter of corporate ethics and accountability let's start there.

Sure if you're running a company and you sell tools to a drug lord that you know he will use to kill and mame then you need to be held to account.

Anybody know what the dictator of Chad has done with the military he has built up since Exxon gave him 500 million?

(12-14-2016 04:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:02 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 03:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Perhaps not in every single instance but for example, would you have been American companies profiting by selling products to the Germans during WWI or WWII?

If we are to believe, like Romney, that corporations are people, shouldn't they be held to an ethical standard like humans? Or should they simply care only about the pockets of their share holders.

Perhaps you should do a little research into how Fanta was created.

Interesting. I didn't know that about Fanta. How do you feel about that?

I don't care one way or another.

So you don't care if American companies respect American foreign policy or not?

Got it.

Unless they were bounded by law to follow the US policy companies first responsibility is to make policy that increases their revenue.

(12-14-2016 04:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 04:14 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:57 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 01:07 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Of course not but do you think it was ethical for Exxon to undermine U.S. foreign policy for their own personal gain?

So you believe all corporations at all time should act for the good of the current administration and put their policies first? (be it bush, obama, or trump)

Perhaps not in every single instance but for example, would you have been American companies profiting by selling products to the Germans during WWI or WWII?

Well lets talk WWII, a war we as a society wanted little to do with before the Japanese dragged us in. If you did not know just how evil Hitler was and what was going on would it be morally wrong to sell him something? serious question...

I mean let's say.... China.... Should we be doing any business with China?

Quote:If we are to believe, like Romney, that corporations are people, shouldn't they be held to an ethical standard like humans?

Nobody believes that a corporation is a person... We believe that as an assembly of people they have the same speech rights as say a labor union, or a church body, or a black lives matters rally.

If we want to have a serious conversation on the matter of corporate ethics and accountability let's start there.

Sure if you're running a company and you sell tools to a drug lord that you know he will use to kill and mame then you need to be held to account.

Anybody know what the dictator of Chad has done with the military he has built up since Exxon gave him 500 million?

Well for one thing he has fought a prolonged war with Boko Haram.

(12-14-2016 04:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anybody know what the dictator of Chad has done with the military he has built up since Exxon gave him 500 million?

Wait... exxon just up and gave him 500 million? out of the goodness of their hearts?

Would this be an issue if Tillerson wasn't named SoS? It's not like he had classified information that was easily hackable on a server or appeared to hide information from the government by deleting emails and destroying phones and laptops did he?

(12-14-2016 04:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Who cares? We made money!!!

My sentiments exactly.