(12-14-2016 11:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:00 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well I'm just thankful and proud that SCD Jr. ( 5th grade) has 100% average in each of his classes.

Call it what ever you want,.. but I'd think that the boy is "participating" at a very high level!

That's before the school district changed its grading scale to a 10 point scale this year.

These kids today wouldn't survive under the the grading scale I had in school in Jr. High & High school.

95-100: A
94-88 : B
81-87 : C
74-80 : D

I'm calling B.S. on this one. I have worked in a school and I can tell you from first hand experience that kids today are learning 5 to 10 times what most of us were required to learn 20 or 30 years ago.

Here in Texas, Algebra I is being taught at the middle school level. When I was in high school, students could graduate with Alegbra I as their highest math course.

That is just one example.

Yes and no. I remember taking Algebra in middle school back in the day but my kids are learning division etc in 3rd grade whereas I remember learning it a little later. When I was in school it was a 7 pt scales so 93-100 was an A and so on down the loine. it went to a 10 point scale in college and that is what my kids have now in elementary school..

A teacher can construct their tests to fit with whatever grading scale a school wants to use.

I agree but also know that has forever been the case.

Yep. So whatever grading scale is largely irrelevant.

More relevant is this - in days of yore, when little Johnny was lazy and got a D or F - that's what he got and likely got in trouble at home. Today, Johnny is lazy, gets a bad grade - mommy and daddy go to the school and complain to the principal that Johnny was treated unfairly. The Principal doesn't want complaints escalating to the Super or School Board.......so the subtly have a talk with the teacher about Johnny's grades - and while this particular grade may not change - it's out there - we don't want students with bad grades..........

(12-13-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:19 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Well I'm just thankful and proud that SCD Jr. ( 5th grade) has 100% average in each of his classes.

Call it what ever you want,.. but I'd think that the boy is "participating" at a very high level!

That's before the school district changed its grading scale to a 10 point scale this year.

These kids today wouldn't survive under the the grading scale I had in school in Jr. High & High school.

95-100: A
94-88 : B
81-87 : C
74-80 : D

I'm calling B.S. on this one. I have worked in a school and I can tell you from first hand experience that kids today are learning 5 to 10 times what most of us were required to learn 20 or 30 years ago.

Here in Texas, Algebra I is being taught at the middle school level. When I was in high school, students could graduate with Alegbra I as their highest math course.

That is just one example.

Exactly. We are all experiments to the time we went to school. The children today are learning much more and are succeeding.

(12-14-2016 11:28 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:00 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-13-2016 01:23 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I'm calling B.S. on this one. I have worked in a school and I can tell you from first hand experience that kids today are learning 5 to 10 times what most of us were required to learn 20 or 30 years ago.

Here in Texas, Algebra I is being taught at the middle school level. When I was in high school, students could graduate with Alegbra I as their highest math course.

That is just one example.

Yes and no. I remember taking Algebra in middle school back in the day but my kids are learning division etc in 3rd grade whereas I remember learning it a little later. When I was in school it was a 7 pt scales so 93-100 was an A and so on down the loine. it went to a 10 point scale in college and that is what my kids have now in elementary school..

A teacher can construct their tests to fit with whatever grading scale a school wants to use.

I agree but also know that has forever been the case.

Yep. So whatever grading scale is largely irrelevant.

More relevant is this - in days of yore, when little Johnny was lazy and got a D or F - that's what he got and likely got in trouble at home. Today, Johnny is lazy, gets a bad grade - mommy and daddy go to the school and complain to the principal that Johnny was treated unfairly. The Principal doesn't want complaints escalating to the Super or School Board.......so the subtly have a talk with the teacher about Johnny's grades - and while this particular grade may not change - it's out there - we don't want students with bad grades..........

Exactly.

In days of yore, teachers were considered heroes and were respected members of the community.

Today, teachers are considered the enemy for what they teach or the cause if students don't learn.

Trump's America

Most teachers are lazy and only teach to the test. It's about the teacher,.. not the kids the are teaching.

(12-15-2016 01:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:28 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:00 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yes and no. I remember taking Algebra in middle school back in the day but my kids are learning division etc in 3rd grade whereas I remember learning it a little later. When I was in school it was a 7 pt scales so 93-100 was an A and so on down the loine. it went to a 10 point scale in college and that is what my kids have now in elementary school..

A teacher can construct their tests to fit with whatever grading scale a school wants to use.

I agree but also know that has forever been the case.

Yep. So whatever grading scale is largely irrelevant.

More relevant is this - in days of yore, when little Johnny was lazy and got a D or F - that's what he got and likely got in trouble at home. Today, Johnny is lazy, gets a bad grade - mommy and daddy go to the school and complain to the principal that Johnny was treated unfairly. The Principal doesn't want complaints escalating to the Super or School Board.......so the subtly have a talk with the teacher about Johnny's grades - and while this particular grade may not change - it's out there - we don't want students with bad grades..........

Exactly.

In days of yore, teachers were considered heroes and were respected members of the community.

Today, teachers are considered the enemy for what they teach or the cause if students don't learn.

Trump's America

You are being disingenuous- parents blaming everything but their kid has been happening far longer than Trump considering running for president and you know it.

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Most teachers are lazy and only teach to the test. It's about the teacher,.. not the kids the are teaching.

When your measurement of success or failure IS the test, what do you think they are going to do?? All of us in our jobs, ultimately do whatever tasks our bosses decide are important because if we don't, bad things with our employment happen. Why would you expect teachers to be any different?

(12-15-2016 01:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:28 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:11 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 11:00 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(12-14-2016 10:54 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Yes and no. I remember taking Algebra in middle school back in the day but my kids are learning division etc in 3rd grade whereas I remember learning it a little later. When I was in school it was a 7 pt scales so 93-100 was an A and so on down the loine. it went to a 10 point scale in college and that is what my kids have now in elementary school..

A teacher can construct their tests to fit with whatever grading scale a school wants to use.

I agree but also know that has forever been the case.

Yep. So whatever grading scale is largely irrelevant.

More relevant is this - in days of yore, when little Johnny was lazy and got a D or F - that's what he got and likely got in trouble at home. Today, Johnny is lazy, gets a bad grade - mommy and daddy go to the school and complain to the principal that Johnny was treated unfairly. The Principal doesn't want complaints escalating to the Super or School Board.......so the subtly have a talk with the teacher about Johnny's grades - and while this particular grade may not change - it's out there - we don't want students with bad grades..........

Exactly.

In days of yore, teachers were considered heroes and were respected members of the community.

Today, teachers are considered the enemy for what they teach or the cause if students don't learn.

Trump's America

In days of yore teachers actually taught

Today teachers are the indoctrination arm of one political party.

Leftist America

(12-13-2016 04:46 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Teachers DO NOT want to be graded A-F. Most merely want a "P" Ribbon!

Do you have any idea how they grade teachers?

It's based off how a bunch of kids do on a standardized test.

(12-15-2016 02:15 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Most teachers are lazy and only teach to the test. It's about the teacher,.. not the kids the are teaching.

Most teachers are not given a choice of what they teach or how they teach it. My third year of teaching the district came to is before school and handed us material to teach and we're told when to teach it. We were told that we were teach to the test, because research said that was how students did best

(12-14-2016 09:45 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Mach meltdowns are not as much fun as Fit Fails.

I thought he said that he was leaving.