The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

(12-10-2016 03:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Final attempt.

What's interesting is ALL the CUSA schools below 20K are former Sun Belt schools. The "Move Up" REALLY gave them a boost in attendance.

(12-11-2016 02:23 AM)Panarican Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Final attempt.

What's interesting is ALL the CUSA schools below 20K are former Sun Belt schools. The "Move Up" REALLY gave them a boost in attendance.

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(12-11-2016 02:23 AM)Panarican Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Final attempt.

What's interesting is ALL the CUSA schools below 20K are former Sun Belt schools. The "Move Up" REALLY gave them a boost in attendance.

Charlotte was in the Sun Belt a long time ago, but never for football.

(12-11-2016 12:31 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

So, which are the crappy MAC stadiums? How many MAC and Sun Belt stadiums have you been to? What major college/pro stadiums have you been to? Doesn't the MAC play under the same weather conditions as the Big 10? The fact that I see 20,000+ for a number of those mid week games. I don't see it as an excuse.

(12-11-2016 11:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 12:31 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

So, which are the crappy MAC stadiums? How many MAC and Sun Belt stadiums have you been to? What major college/pro stadiums have you been to? Doesn't the MAC play under the same weather conditions as the Big 10? The fact that I see 20,000+ for a number of those mid week games. I don't see it as an excuse.

Actually, MAC schools seem to have more consistency in attendance. Do you think the MAC fans are starting to get used to mid-week games? Maybe once a fan base understands they are going to have mid-week games, they learn to accept and start adjusting. Do you think MAC fans tend to live closer proximity to the schools? For schools like Ga So, A-state, Troy, Tx St., App - lots of fans probably drive from more than 2 hours away for game. Not so good for Mid-week. For fans that live closer, the Mid-week game is not as big of an imposition.

(12-11-2016 04:37 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 02:23 AM)Panarican Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:56 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Final attempt.

What's interesting is ALL the CUSA schools below 20K are former Sun Belt schools. The "Move Up" REALLY gave them a boost in attendance.

Charlotte was in the Sun Belt a long time ago, but never for football.

Actually, 6-13 from CUSA are all former SBC members.

(12-11-2016 12:31 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

Those three do have the best chance at big numbers with nicer than average stadiums .
A little distance between them and the P5 or other conference teams.
I could see WMU,Toledo and Ohio leaving for a better conference one day.
I like the MAC the exposure of MACTION might be worth it at the cost of attendance.
Considering travel and TV the MAC is probably the eighth best conference to be in even if attendance will probably always be last.

(12-11-2016 12:33 PM)Rik Flair Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 11:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 12:31 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

So, which are the crappy MAC stadiums? How many MAC and Sun Belt stadiums have you been to? What major college/pro stadiums have you been to? Doesn't the MAC play under the same weather conditions as the Big 10? The fact that I see 20,000+ for a number of those mid week games. I don't see it as an excuse.

Actually, MAC schools seem to have more consistency in attendance. Do you think the MAC fans are starting to get used to mid-week games? Maybe once a fan base understands they are going to have mid-week games, they learn to accept and start adjusting. Do you think MAC fans tend to live closer proximity to the schools? For schools like Ga So, A-state, Troy, Tx St., App - lots of fans probably drive from more than 2 hours away for game. Not so good for Mid-week. For fans that live closer, the Mid-week game is not as big of an imposition.

I know Toledo fans prefer to play on Saturday nights. I hear similar complaints from other MAC schools about midweek games. Most Toledo fans that attend home games are probably within a hour drive of campus. Farther than that would be those that come in for Homecoimg,
BGSUX(rival game) or name/ranked opponent( Boise State, U Miami, BYU, etc.).

To be entirely fair to the MAC, none of us would draw well for a Wednesday Night game in November. At least our Wednesday Night October games are early enough that it's still warm, so there is a chance of decent weather. Trying to put a home game on the Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving in 35 degree weather in the SBC would have resulted in about 5K attendance as well.

(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  To be entirely fair to the MAC, none of us would draw well for a Wednesday Night game in November. At least our Wednesday Night October games are early enough that it's still warm, so there is a chance of decent weather. Trying to put a home game on the Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving in 35 degree weather in the SBC would have resulted in about 5K attendance as well.

I know this is somewhat different but Our weekday game With USA had 31,000 which I think was the highest ever SBC vs SBC game. If this was a Saturday game we might have had a sell out

(12-11-2016 11:30 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 12:31 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The MAC is a trash bag for attendance. Mostly crappy stadiums, with mostly bad weather, and 2 home games per team played in the midweek November in the cold. Toledo and Ohio will always carry the conference with the possibility of teams rising to all time levels like WMU this season.

So, which are the crappy MAC stadiums? How many MAC and Sun Belt stadiums have you been to? What major college/pro stadiums have you been to? Doesn't the MAC play under the same weather conditions as the Big 10? The fact that I see 20,000+ for a number of those mid week games. I don't see it as an excuse.

I have been to every MAC stadium but Yaegar and Penden. I have been to a handful of what I call crappy/ directional Florida institutions (FAU and FIU)... Those have WAY nicer stadiums than the average MAC school for a mediocre product.

The Glass Bowl, Infocision and Penden are probably the only above average stadiums in the MAC. The rest are barely average??? Waldo has some perks... It needs renovating badly though. StAte's place was nicer than the Glass Bowl minus the history factor we pride ourself on. Every conference has a group of lesser stadiums, but even Lab Peebles is nicer than Kent, BG, EMU, CMU, and Miami. NIU has potential with their new indoor... It's appealing to the eye? I have been in every MAC press box... Some schools have some work to do to get anywhere close to what I saw at FAU, or even the random stadium in Little Rock.

The avg. capacity for MAC stadiums is 26K so even if the conference was able to sell out every home game the numbers on paper would not be impressive.

The MAC has a 10K attendance opportunity. If they could figure out away to exploit the tight footprint to get 5K more visiting fans and 5K more home fans per game it would be a really fun league with small, but packed stadiums.

(12-11-2016 04:02 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  To be entirely fair to the MAC, none of us would draw well for a Wednesday Night game in November. At least our Wednesday Night October games are early enough that it's still warm, so there is a chance of decent weather. Trying to put a home game on the Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving in 35 degree weather in the SBC would have resulted in about 5K attendance as well.

I know this is somewhat different but Our weekday game With USA had 31,000 which I think was the highest ever SBC vs SBC game. If this was a Saturday game we might have had a sell out

Thursday Night game in mid October against an instate opponent. Big difference.

(12-11-2016 06:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 04:02 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  To be entirely fair to the MAC, none of us would draw well for a Wednesday Night game in November. At least our Wednesday Night October games are early enough that it's still warm, so there is a chance of decent weather. Trying to put a home game on the Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving in 35 degree weather in the SBC would have resulted in about 5K attendance as well.

I know this is somewhat different but Our weekday game With USA had 31,000 which I think was the highest ever SBC vs SBC game. If this was a Saturday game we might have had a sell out

Thursday Night game in mid October against an instate opponent. Big difference.

Troy had a crowd of almost 24,000, for a late night start against Ark St, in November.


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(12-11-2016 06:17 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 06:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 04:02 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-11-2016 03:28 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  To be entirely fair to the MAC, none of us would draw well for a Wednesday Night game in November. At least our Wednesday Night October games are early enough that it's still warm, so there is a chance of decent weather. Trying to put a home game on the Tuesday or Wednesday before Thanksgiving in 35 degree weather in the SBC would have resulted in about 5K attendance as well.

I know this is somewhat different but Our weekday game With USA had 31,000 which I think was the highest ever SBC vs SBC game. If this was a Saturday game we might have had a sell out

Thursday Night game in mid October against an instate opponent. Big difference.

Troy had a crowd of almost 24,000, for a late night start against Ark St, in November.


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Toledo had crowds above 23k in our 26k stadium in 2013 and 2015 with the conference on the line in midweek November as well. It just depends how the conference lines up and who gets important home games late in the year. Usually half of the conference loses interest by November though, so you get turrrrible crowds then. And why go when they are on TV?

(12-10-2016 09:53 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 05:18 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 04:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:08 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  USA had 30+K for Troy but still just a 16+K average?Concerning....

Actually we had more than we reported for Troy. We really don't inflate our numbers. We don't scan all the tickets...

We drew flies to the Presbyterian Game we never wanted to schedule. 2 FCS home games...against teams we could care less about.. generates 11k attendance.

These metrics are interesting, but there's so much inflation and miscounting going on....you really can't use these numbers to show much.

Look at FIU's stadium (not to pick on them - but just to show them as an example that published official attendance numbers aren't really indicative of much more than how the various Athletic Departments count).

vs Maryland. https://www.google.com/search?q=fiu+mary...c0kw18M%3A

vs Indiana https://www.google.com/search?q=fiu+mary...Krt0RLM%3A

And those are probably the best two games for attendance for them. Averaging 17k? No way.

Yeah,I attended the Troy game and thought it was closer to 32-33K just eyeballin' it.

You would likely have the same impression at any Jags game as have many other visitors like yourself, and as do all of the locals. It's a well-known problem because the stadium isn't owned and operated by USA and scanning equipment is frequently out of operation and the city doesn't hold its employees accountable to do a manual count after each game for the thousands of non-scanned tickets like they should. USA may be the only FBS team who ONLY counts scanned tickets, which is why this is a continual and (again) a well-known problem amongst we Jags fans.

The good news is, we have an OCS in the planning stages and within a couple of seasons this should no longer be a problem for South.

Does it matter whether tickets are scanned or not? I thought attendance was tickets sold plus student ID's scanned.

I thought when I was at the Vet for App St vs Troy they came over the speakers and said it was a record attendance for a SB game? Did they mean for the whole conference or just our stadium?

(12-11-2016 08:59 PM)Peachie Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 09:53 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 05:18 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 04:21 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-10-2016 03:08 PM)WhitetailWizard Wrote:  USA had 30+K for Troy but still just a 16+K average?Concerning....

Actually we had more than we reported for Troy. We really don't inflate our numbers. We don't scan all the tickets...

We drew flies to the Presbyterian Game we never wanted to schedule. 2 FCS home games...against teams we could care less about.. generates 11k attendance.

These metrics are interesting, but there's so much inflation and miscounting going on....you really can't use these numbers to show much.

Look at FIU's stadium (not to pick on them - but just to show them as an example that published official attendance numbers aren't really indicative of much more than how the various Athletic Departments count).

vs Maryland. https://www.google.com/search?q=fiu+mary...c0kw18M%3A

vs Indiana https://www.google.com/search?q=fiu+mary...Krt0RLM%3A

And those are probably the best two games for attendance for them. Averaging 17k? No way.

Yeah,I attended the Troy game and thought it was closer to 32-33K just eyeballin' it.

You would likely have the same impression at any Jags game as have many other visitors like yourself, and as do all of the locals. It's a well-known problem because the stadium isn't owned and operated by USA and scanning equipment is frequently out of operation and the city doesn't hold its employees accountable to do a manual count after each game for the thousands of non-scanned tickets like they should. USA may be the only FBS team who ONLY counts scanned tickets, which is why this is a continual and (again) a well-known problem amongst we Jags fans.

The good news is, we have an OCS in the planning stages and within a couple of seasons this should no longer be a problem for South.

Does it matter whether tickets are scanned or not? I thought attendance was tickets sold plus student ID's scanned.

USA only counts scanned tickets.

(12-12-2016 11:39 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I thought when I was at the Vet for App St vs Troy they came over the speakers and said it was a record attendance for a SB game? Did they mean for the whole conference or just our stadium?

Our stadium.


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