(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

TN fans are completely insane. They think they're a top tier team that should be winning multiple national championships, so they're disappointed. Plus, they were a top ten team several times this year.

(11-22-2016 08:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

TN fans are completely insane. They think they're a top tier team that should be winning multiple national championships, so they're disappointed. Plus, they were a top ten team several times this year.

Not true at all. They are upset they didn't win the SEC East this year, which they should have absolutely done. Also the talent that state is producing has gone through the roof over the last decade and it's only going to get better. There is no reason at all they shouldn't be able to compete with Florida and Georgia consistently.

Also he's getting absolutely hammered over his comments yersterday as he should be. I think he's shocked how much the media and fans care down there compared to where at UC nobody really cared how corny he sounded.

(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

He's def not top tier, however they don't need him to be. Butch's offense is basic AF. He fits in quite nicely considering what the want them to do. Also, they didn't win despite him, they won thanks to him. His legs are what broke UF's back and his pass to beat UGA was magnificent. They'd be in a much worst spot without him.

Def doesn't have the best OCC win. VTech isn't ranked. USC is 12th.

Also, highly highly unlikely UT gets the Sugar Bowl over UF. With Bama likely going to the Playoffs it's gonna go to the loser of the SECCG - i.e. UF. (unless they get smashed by FSU and Bama in consecutive weeks. possible, i just don't think so)




mc

(11-22-2016 12:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

He's def not top tier, however they don't need him to be. Butch's offense is basic AF. He fits in quite nicely considering what the want them to do. Also, they didn't win despite him, they won thanks to him. His legs are what broke UF's back and his pass to beat UGA was magnificent. They'd be in a much worst spot without him.

Def doesn't have the best OCC win. VTech isn't ranked. USC is 12th.

Also, highly highly unlikely UT gets the Sugar Bowl over UF. With Bama likely going to the Playoffs it's gonna go to the loser of the SECCG - i.e. UF. (unless they get smashed by FSU and Bama in consecutive weeks. possible, i just don't think so)




mc

UF will not go to the Sugar if they lose to both FSU and Bama. It goes to the highest ranked team. Just like 9-3 Ole Miss last year it will be either A&M or TN unless both of them lose as well this weekend.

MC doesn't know the rules. Don't hurt him, Hammer.

(11-22-2016 10:22 AM)Marcus Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 08:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

TN fans are completely insane. They think they're a top tier team that should be winning multiple national championships, so they're disappointed. Plus, they were a top ten team several times this year.

Not true at all. They are upset they didn't win the SEC East this year, which they should have absolutely done. Also the talent that state is producing has gone through the roof over the last decade and it's only going to get better. There is no reason at all they shouldn't be able to compete with Florida and Georgia consistently.

I've been to their message boards. They think they're Alabama or Ohio State. They ain't.

(11-22-2016 12:46 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 12:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 07:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not sure I agree with that but to each his own. That QB is not top tier, IMO. They won some games despite him. Going to finish 9-3 with 2 of those losses at A&M in OT and Alabama in successive weeks. Actually own the SEC's best out of conference win (unless you think USC is a better win than Va Tech). Sugar Bowl bid is a very real possibility vs Oklahoma. They play on Jan. 2nd and have another top 10 recruiting class come February, I do not think people are going to complain much.

He's def not top tier, however they don't need him to be. Butch's offense is basic AF. He fits in quite nicely considering what the want them to do. Also, they didn't win despite him, they won thanks to him. His legs are what broke UF's back and his pass to beat UGA was magnificent. They'd be in a much worst spot without him.

Def doesn't have the best OCC win. VTech isn't ranked. USC is 12th.

Also, highly highly unlikely UT gets the Sugar Bowl over UF. With Bama likely going to the Playoffs it's gonna go to the loser of the SECCG - i.e. UF. (unless they get smashed by FSU and Bama in consecutive weeks. possible, i just don't think so)




mc

UF will not go to the Sugar if they lose to both FSU and Bama. It goes to the highest ranked team. Just like 9-3 Ole Miss last year it will be either A&M or TN unless both of them lose as well this weekend.

We're essentially saying the same thing. Note the remark in parenthesis where i said i don't believe that they will lose to both FSU and Bama.

They beat FSU, lose to Bama....i think they have enough benefit from the Playoff rankings to be ahead of Tenn. Their best win would be over UF. UF has wins over LSU on the road and FSU on the road.

we'll see tho




mc

(11-22-2016 02:09 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  MC doesn't know the rules. Don't hurt him, Hammer.

ahem...

like i was saying. Butch Jones gonna Butch Jones. Good recruiter. Very average coach.

The locals will become increasingly restless as he fails (IMO) to ever get the team to another level.

Say what you will, but this season will be viewed as a HUGE missed opportunity.




mc

Congrats to Vandy! Bowl eligible.

That is the type of loss to an in-state doormat that burns bridges permanently. Florida losing opened up the clear path to the Sugar Bowl.

Remeber when BJ trolled the Vandy fans at the Liberty Bowl pep rally. He was speaking to the crowd and the Vandy group started shouted S-E-C.. He responded with saying something to the effect at least at UC we win championships.

Don't be surprised if he leaves on his own accord. He's having a hard time dealing with the heat and tough questions. Rumor is his agent is talking to Purdue.

(11-27-2016 12:08 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Don't be surprised if he leaves on his own accord. He's having a hard time dealing with the heat and tough questions. Rumor is his agent is talking to Purdue.

BTW I believe Miles already has that job.

(11-27-2016 12:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 12:08 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Don't be surprised if he leaves on his own accord. He's having a hard time dealing with the heat and tough questions. Rumor is his agent is talking to Purdue.

BTW I believe Miles already has that job.

Butch Jones = Pimp

Then his agent will talk to ??? As Butch is photographed walking around Purdue

(11-27-2016 12:08 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Don't be surprised if he leaves on his own accord. He's having a hard time dealing with the heat and tough questions. Rumor is his agent is talking to Purdue.

Blast from the past,

(11-27-2016 12:21 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(11-27-2016 12:08 PM)Marcus Wrote:  Don't be surprised if he leaves on his own accord. He's having a hard time dealing with the heat and tough questions. Rumor is his agent is talking to Purdue.

BTW I believe Miles already has that job.

He very well might. I'm telling you though. He's inquiring. He can't handle the heat in the SEC and he's getting destroyed by the media and fans over his constant cliches and robotic talk when facing tough questions. That might fly where nobody cares but it doesn't in the SEC.

Ouch! Welcome to life in the big city (SEC).

Quote:Former College GameDay host Chris Fowler is so impressed with Colorado this season he felt the need to prick Butch Jones and Tennessee late Saturday night following the Vols' upset loss at Vanderbilt.

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Jones infamously declined offers from Colorado and Purdue (among others) in favor of Tennessee in 2012 after leading Cincinnati to a nine-win season. The Vols failed to meet expectations this season as the SEC East favorite and squandered a possible berth in the Sugar Bowl with the loss in Nashville, the program's first in 39 games as a Top 25 team against the Commodores.

At Colorado, Mike MacIntyre's managed a worst-to-first turnaround this fall, leading the Buffaloes to a 10-2 record and berth in next week's Pac-12 Championship Game against Washington. Colorado went 8-27 in three years prior under MacIntyre since he took over prior to the 2013 campaign.

The Pressure To Meet Expectations

Heard there's a solid discussion on the point here:

http://www.obnoxiousorangeandwhitecheckerboards.com

It's interesting how closely Kelly and Jones paths have snaked. Off field issue, struggles to please fans, step up to the $'s at your own peril.