(11-20-2016 09:00 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  Cliches? Nobody used a cliche. My line is "Georgia State won because they were better that day due to matchups, overall game-planning, discipline, etc., with nothing else needing to be added." Where's the cliche?

And it seems we are applying Occam's Razor in very, very different ways. In both of our scenarios, Georgia Southern played like crap, in all the ways we've already mentioned. But you go further and add your assertion that all those things happened because tension in the front office trickled down and permeated the entire roster and coaching staff to hinder their efforts before/during the game—so much so that an otherwise capable team, that in the absence of said tension would have beaten us soundly (like you should have, right?) got blown out of its own stadium. I'm saying I have no reason to believe that was the one tipping point or the main factor. You're adding an assertion here that it seems only you have the insight on. The extra, intangible stuff is all you.

You're implying that without the tension b/w Fritz and the admins, it's business as usual and you take us to the woodshed. And we are rightly calling that a load of homeriffic bull****.

But like your boy TrueBlueDrew (confusingly) said to us, "whatever helps you sleep at night."

(P.S. You might want to brush up on what a cliche is and how Occam's Razor is actually supposed to function, bud.)

The cliche is "making excuses". The idea that the offense was shut down because you somehow overwhelmed us with one particular matchup on the field is laughable.

You returned 9 starters on defense, had the same coaching staff on defense, and you gave up 363 yards and 24 points at home. That's with us having lesser coaching (especially with the offensive line). Why weren't you able to exploit the same supposed mismatches and completely snuff the offense?

Again, Occam's Razor....you don't have such a gigantic discrepancy between the spread and the outcome without something that's beyond just will or luck or anything that's normal.

(11-20-2016 10:13 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 09:00 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  Cliches? Nobody used a cliche. My line is "Georgia State won because they were better that day due to matchups, overall game-planning, discipline, etc., with nothing else needing to be added." Where's the cliche?

And it seems we are applying Occam's Razor in very, very different ways. In both of our scenarios, Georgia Southern played like crap, in all the ways we've already mentioned. But you go further and add your assertion that all those things happened because tension in the front office trickled down and permeated the entire roster and coaching staff to hinder their efforts before/during the game—so much so that an otherwise capable team, that in the absence of said tension would have beaten us soundly (like you should have, right?) got blown out of its own stadium. I'm saying I have no reason to believe that was the one tipping point or the main factor. You're adding an assertion here that it seems only you have the insight on. The extra, intangible stuff is all you.

You're implying that without the tension b/w Fritz and the admins, it's business as usual and you take us to the woodshed. And we are rightly calling that a load of homeriffic bull****.

But like your boy TrueBlueDrew (confusingly) said to us, "whatever helps you sleep at night."

(P.S. You might want to brush up on what a cliche is and how Occam's Razor is actually supposed to function, bud.)

The cliche is "making excuses". The idea that the offense was shut down because you somehow overwhelmed us with one particular matchup on the field is laughable.

You returned 9 starters on defense, had the same coaching staff on defense, and you gave up 363 yards and 24 points at home. That's with us having lesser coaching (especially with the offensive line). Why weren't you able to exploit the same supposed mismatches and completely snuff the offense?

Again, Occam's Razor....you don't have such a gigantic discrepancy between the spread and the outcome without something that's beyond just will or luck or anything that's normal.

Um, I never claimed we "overwhelmed you with one particular matchup on the field." I clearly said "matchups" plural above, and I stand by it. Whether it was a multitude of individual or unit matchups, we won the day, in many different ways. How else would you like me to describe that? Our defense was getting where we wanted to on the field. Even if the coaches mailed in the game-planning, you obviously had players losing individual matchups of "will," a word that you said couldn't possibly describe the discrepancy in points from what was expected. Except that's what I saw in a number of cases.

We won't ever agree here.

Why weren't we able to get the exact same result this year, you ask? Because...it's a year's difference? College football players, and teams, are mercurial...the quality of play and effort can change from week to week. They are 18- to 23-year-olds. How does UGA almost lose to Nicholls State and then upset top-10 Auburn in the same season? Do you watch a lot of college football? Uhhh...were you at Bobby Dodd Stadium in 2014 to watch GS-GT? Remember how those two different HALVES went? Ups and downs, man. You've had some lately.

You insist on attributing this "down" for your team almost solely, it seems, to the turmoil in the administration. Go ahead, believe it. Just be prepared to get mocked for it whenever you whip that out again. I think it's a belief worthy of nothing but ridicule.

I wouldn't have resorted to using Miles' firing, say, if you guys had whipped us.

I give both of you credit for reading each other's mini novels. I couldn't make it through the first paragraph of any of the posts without nodding off.

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Are people being serious when they say Southern purposefully dropped the game against us last season? I thought that was a joke! I told it to my girlfriend, she thought it was funny!

(11-21-2016 01:56 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  Are people being serious when they say Southern purposefully dropped the game against us last season? I thought that was a joke! I told it to my girlfriend, she thought it was funny!

Some may, hard to tell if they are serious. Most buy into the belief Fritz did not properly prepare the team because he was interviewing.

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Because Aliens...

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(11-21-2016 01:56 AM)itsmeagain Wrote:  Are people being serious when they say Southern purposefully dropped the game against us last season? I thought that was a joke! I told it to my girlfriend, she thought it was funny!

Good one.

I kid I kid.

(11-20-2016 03:19 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 01:38 PM)I AM an Eagle! Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 10:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 08:46 AM)I AM an Eagle! Wrote:  GAg State could beat rGSU 100 times in a row and Panama would still be the only Panther fan (bc she's the only one that exists) that gives a dam. You da woman!

Your tears are delicious

Yuuuum

Please keep posting

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I find the majority of your posts embarrassing for yourself...more?

Oh? And how does calling a male poster a woman, as a diss, rank up there on the embarrassing scale? And how would calling a football fan on this board a woman be a diss, anyway?

Pretty sure you just shot up to No. 1 Embarrassment on this thread, my friend. (The desperate, depressing "not a rivalry" dude is up there, too.)

It's fun watching some of you dig your own holes and look like total fools.

Awww someone is crushing...you stick up for her, good for you!

And with that I bid this thread adieu....

Nvm

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(11-20-2016 10:40 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  Um, I never claimed we "overwhelmed you with one particular matchup on the field." I clearly said "matchups" plural above, and I stand by it. Whether it was a multitude of individual or unit matchups, we won the day, in many different ways. How else would you like me to describe that? Our defense was getting where we wanted to on the field. Even if the coaches mailed in the game-planning, you obviously had players losing individual matchups of "will," a word that you said couldn't possibly describe the discrepancy in points from what was expected. Except that's what I saw in a number of cases.

We won't ever agree here.

Why weren't we able to get the exact same result this year, you ask? Because...it's a year's difference? College football players, and teams, are mercurial...the quality of play and effort can change from week to week. They are 18- to 23-year-olds. How does UGA almost lose to Nicholls State and then upset top-10 Auburn in the same season? Do you watch a lot of college football? Uhhh...were you at Bobby Dodd Stadium in 2014 to watch GS-GT? Remember how those two different HALVES went? Ups and downs, man. You've had some lately.

You insist on attributing this "down" for your team almost solely, it seems, to the turmoil in the administration. Go ahead, believe it. Just be prepared to get mocked for it whenever you whip that out again. I think it's a belief worthy of nothing but ridicule.

I wouldn't have resorted to using Miles' firing, say, if you guys had whipped us.

You bring up our 2014 game with Georgia Tech where we were a ~10 point dogs and lost by 4. Shows that you still don't understand the point I'm making here.

(11-22-2016 08:44 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2016 10:40 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  Um, I never claimed we "overwhelmed you with one particular matchup on the field." I clearly said "matchups" plural above, and I stand by it. Whether it was a multitude of individual or unit matchups, we won the day, in many different ways. How else would you like me to describe that? Our defense was getting where we wanted to on the field. Even if the coaches mailed in the game-planning, you obviously had players losing individual matchups of "will," a word that you said couldn't possibly describe the discrepancy in points from what was expected. Except that's what I saw in a number of cases.

We won't ever agree here.

Why weren't we able to get the exact same result this year, you ask? Because...it's a year's difference? College football players, and teams, are mercurial...the quality of play and effort can change from week to week. They are 18- to 23-year-olds. How does UGA almost lose to Nicholls State and then upset top-10 Auburn in the same season? Do you watch a lot of college football? Uhhh...were you at Bobby Dodd Stadium in 2014 to watch GS-GT? Remember how those two different HALVES went? Ups and downs, man. You've had some lately.

You insist on attributing this "down" for your team almost solely, it seems, to the turmoil in the administration. Go ahead, believe it. Just be prepared to get mocked for it whenever you whip that out again. I think it's a belief worthy of nothing but ridicule.

I wouldn't have resorted to using Miles' firing, say, if you guys had whipped us.

You bring up our 2014 game with Georgia Tech where we were a ~10 point dogs and lost by 4. Shows that you still don't understand the point I'm making here.

I used it as an example of how unpredictable the play of kids who are 18-22 can be. If you don't like that example, then look to my example with UGA/Nicholls or UGA/Auburn, or look down the schedules of a handful of teams every season and pick out the top-end outlier and bottom-end outlier.

The one thing I'd hope maybe you'd realize, after the fact, is that the spread was total, utter garbage in the first place. The perceived rift in talent between the two teams was based solely on preconceptions. We played four games in a row that are such anomalies compared to what came before and after it...I realize that, too...but it's like the oddsmakers were totally unwilling or unable to account for the three previous games we had just played. Those odds were crap, and I would have taken GSU to beat THAT spread even if I thought the game wasn't going to be particularly close. I think you're strangely preoccupied with the spread and should acknowledge that the oddsmakers didn't know what they were doing with this game or the teams in it.

And I have understood all your points just fine, by the way.

(11-22-2016 05:24 PM)07pantheralum Wrote:  I used it as an example of how unpredictable the play of kids who are 18-22 can be. If you don't like that example, then look to my example with UGA/Nicholls or UGA/Auburn, or look down the schedules of a handful of teams every season and pick out the top-end outlier and bottom-end outlier.

The one thing I'd hope maybe you'd realize, after the fact, is that the spread was total, utter garbage in the first place. The perceived rift in talent between the two teams was based solely on preconceptions. We played four games in a row that are such anomalies compared to what came before and after it...I realize that, too...but it's like the oddsmakers were totally unwilling or unable to account for the three previous games we had just played. Those odds were crap, and I would have taken GSU to beat THAT spread even if I thought the game wasn't going to be particularly close. I think you're strangely preoccupied with the spread and should acknowledge that the oddsmakers didn't know what they were doing with this game or the teams in it.

And I have understood all your points just fine, by the way.

UGA/Nicholls was a game early in the season (being Nicholls' first game) with both teams having new coaches. There are a lot more unknowns when it comes to the first game of the season, more so than when both teams are in their 12th game.

UGA Auburn was not really a very large deviation.

You seem to think that a lot of the models are not any good because they don't always get the spread very closely. But the results are usually centered around the spreads. There's not a single person who isn't a Southern or State fan that would not say we were a significantly better team in late 2015 than State was.