(11-14-2016 12:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Your boy, BHO is responsible for that Fit. The last eight years of his racial politics and war against the police.

Boy?

Wow. Just wow.

(11-09-2016 11:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 10:56 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 12:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 11:59 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  This election has highlighted just how much our system is broken beyond the current structure's abilities to correct it. Perhaps it's time to fix it permanently.

I'll start out with a few suggestions:

1. Replace the Presidency
2. Mandatory Term Limits for Congress
3. Proportional Representation
4. Third Senator
5. Single 6 Year Presidential Term
6. Limited Election Cycle
   

My wish list would include

Mandatory term limits on all legislative bodies at the state and federal level

Set rules for the federal and state level that are strictly enforced about what gerrymandering is.

Open primaries in all 50 states and DC

Increasing the # of congressmen. 1 congressman represents way to many people

Restoring the state governments having federal representation in the Senate

No no a thousand times no!! Open primaries lead to voter manipulation for the other party (Dem->Rep, Rep->Dem). How many times did you see calls by the DNC/Hillary campaign urging voters to cross party lines to vote for Trump, because they thought he was easily beatable?

In NC registered GOPers vote GOP primary only, registered Dems vote Dem primary only, registered Libertarians vote in Libertarian primary only, and Independents can pick the party primary they want to vote in.

Independents should not be disenfranchised in primaries.

Can you reconcile the bold blue statement with the bold black statement for me?

(11-08-2016 11:59 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  This election has highlighted just how much our system is broken beyond the current structure's abilities to correct it. Perhaps it's time to fix it permanently.

I'll start out with a few suggestions:

1. Replace the Presidency
2. Mandatory Term Limits for Congress
3. Proportional Representation
4. Third Senator
5. Single 6 Year Presidential Term
6. Limited Election Cycle
7. Single Term Limit for Supreme Court Justices
   

Never change anything in the Constitution which can be changed outside of the constitution..


1 - Replace the presidency - It does not need to be replaced, it needs to be reformed. We need to realign the powers with where they should be, don't need to alter the constitution for that.

2 - Term limits - Can be accomplished by laws, no need for the constitution

3 - Proportional representation - NO we have the best of both worlds on this right now. Congressional districts are pretty set between 650 and 750K.. The huge outliers are Montana/Dakota/Deleware at about 900K per and Wyoming at 550K per.

If an independence party wants to get into congress they can do so by pouring all their eggs into favorable districts.

Enough was spent on the Johnson campaign that they could have elected a congress critter, or two.

4 - I'm not sure what god another senator does.

5 - No... The 2 years congress, 4 years president, 6 years senate helps promote stability in Government.

6 - Limited election cycle... I'm not sure how you even do this. Technically our election cycle is from February to November on presidential election years and far shorter in off years. I don't think you can legislate people deciding to campaign before February.

7 - I could be persuaded on term limits for Judges but it would have to be something like 25 years. I'm not hung up enough on that to open up the Constitution for tinkering.

(11-08-2016 12:30 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 12:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  A convention could not be a worse idea.

I'd be terrified of what would come out of it after all the lobbyists and special interests had their fun with it.

to both......XACLY!

it was only worth that one stop shop....

(11-14-2016 01:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 11:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 10:56 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 12:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 11:59 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  This election has highlighted just how much our system is broken beyond the current structure's abilities to correct it. Perhaps it's time to fix it permanently.

I'll start out with a few suggestions:

1. Replace the Presidency
2. Mandatory Term Limits for Congress
3. Proportional Representation
4. Third Senator
5. Single 6 Year Presidential Term
6. Limited Election Cycle
   

My wish list would include

Mandatory term limits on all legislative bodies at the state and federal level

Set rules for the federal and state level that are strictly enforced about what gerrymandering is.

Open primaries in all 50 states and DC

Increasing the # of congressmen. 1 congressman represents way to many people

Restoring the state governments having federal representation in the Senate

No no a thousand times no!! Open primaries lead to voter manipulation for the other party (Dem->Rep, Rep->Dem). How many times did you see calls by the DNC/Hillary campaign urging voters to cross party lines to vote for Trump, because they thought he was easily beatable?

In NC registered GOPers vote GOP primary only, registered Dems vote Dem primary only, registered Libertarians vote in Libertarian primary only, and Independents can pick the party primary they want to vote in.

Independents should not be disenfranchised in primaries.

Can you reconcile the bold blue statement with the bold black statement for me?

Im not sure what needs to be reconciled. Bascially I want what NC does to be implemented nationwide.

No more preventing NY liberal indys from voting for Sanders b/c they did not register as a democrat by October of 2015 for a Summer 2016 election.

I view the primaries as round 1 of a 2 round election.

If we are going to have a political duopoly, fine, BUT the parties are going to have to let people in who do not identify with either major party.

The parties should not be allowed to have it both ways. Right now they are an integral part of our political process when it suits them, but they are independent private organizations when it suites them.

Pick 1. Open up primaries nationwide like NC does or make it easier for 3rd parties to get on ballot.

(11-14-2016 01:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 11:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 10:56 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-08-2016 12:10 PM)solohawks Wrote:  My wish list would include

Mandatory term limits on all legislative bodies at the state and federal level

Set rules for the federal and state level that are strictly enforced about what gerrymandering is.

Open primaries in all 50 states and DC

Increasing the # of congressmen. 1 congressman represents way to many people

Restoring the state governments having federal representation in the Senate

No no a thousand times no!! Open primaries lead to voter manipulation for the other party (Dem->Rep, Rep->Dem). How many times did you see calls by the DNC/Hillary campaign urging voters to cross party lines to vote for Trump, because they thought he was easily beatable?

In NC registered GOPers vote GOP primary only, registered Dems vote Dem primary only, registered Libertarians vote in Libertarian primary only, and Independents can pick the party primary they want to vote in.

Independents should not be disenfranchised in primaries.

Can you reconcile the bold blue statement with the bold black statement for me?

Im not sure what needs to be reconciled. Bascially I want what NC does to be implemented nationwide.

No more preventing NY liberal indys from voting for Sanders b/c they did not register as a democrat by October of 2015 for a Summer 2016 election.

I view the primaries as round 1 of a 2 round election.

If we are going to have a political duopoly, fine, BUT the parties are going to have to let people in who do not identify with either major party.

The parties should not be allowed to have it both ways. Right now they are an integral part of our political process when it suits them, but they are independent private organizations when it suites them.

Pick 1. Open up primaries nationwide like NC does or make it easier for 3rd parties to get on ballot.

So you want the party, Dems in this scenario, to manipulate the vote in the other party because Indy's are too stupid and/or too stubborn to register with the party of their choice?

I've said for well over a year that open primaries should never ever be allowed in these United States. This past election have proven me right on that front. Any state that had open primaries had the Hillary campaign openly pleading for her supporters to cross party lines and vote for Trump because she and her people believed he was a pushover. They were obviously wrong, but that won't stop a D or a R from doing the same thing in 2020.

(11-14-2016 10:26 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-14-2016 01:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 11:10 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(11-09-2016 10:56 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  No no a thousand times no!! Open primaries lead to voter manipulation for the other party (Dem->Rep, Rep->Dem). How many times did you see calls by the DNC/Hillary campaign urging voters to cross party lines to vote for Trump, because they thought he was easily beatable?

In NC registered GOPers vote GOP primary only, registered Dems vote Dem primary only, registered Libertarians vote in Libertarian primary only, and Independents can pick the party primary they want to vote in.

Independents should not be disenfranchised in primaries.

Can you reconcile the bold blue statement with the bold black statement for me?

Im not sure what needs to be reconciled. Bascially I want what NC does to be implemented nationwide.

No more preventing NY liberal indys from voting for Sanders b/c they did not register as a democrat by October of 2015 for a Summer 2016 election.

I view the primaries as round 1 of a 2 round election.

If we are going to have a political duopoly, fine, BUT the parties are going to have to let people in who do not identify with either major party.

The parties should not be allowed to have it both ways. Right now they are an integral part of our political process when it suits them, but they are independent private organizations when it suites them.

Pick 1. Open up primaries nationwide like NC does or make it easier for 3rd parties to get on ballot.

So you want the party, Dems in this scenario, to manipulate the vote in the other party because Indy's are too stupid and/or too stubborn to register with the party of their choice?

I've said for well over a year that open primaries should never ever be allowed in these United States. This past election have proven me right on that front. Any state that had open primaries had the Hillary campaign openly pleading for her supporters to cross party lines and vote for Trump because she and her people believed he was a pushover. They were obviously wrong, but that won't stop a D or a R from doing the same thing in 2020.

I believe people who do not want or choose to identify with the two major parties should still have a say in who runs for president

Also in an open primary like NC has you cannot cross party lines unless you reregister

We just need term limits.

(11-15-2016 06:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  We just need term limits.

A Rep senator said that we already have one and it's called elections. I'm ambivalent about this because in an area where the constituency leans a certain way a politician can be elected time after time and it becomes a life time career. Look at Harry Reid for instance. If he had to work outside the Capitol he'd probably be already fired or in jail but he had to retire in order for him to leave.

I think I've convinced myself for term limits. LOL

No more ambivalence.

(11-15-2016 04:55 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(11-15-2016 06:42 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  We just need term limits.

A Rep senator said that we already have one and it's called elections. I'm ambivalent about this because in an area where the constituency leans a certain way a politician can be elected time after time and it becomes a life time career. Look at Harry Reid for instance. If he had to work outside the Capitol he'd probably be already fired or in jail but he had to retire in order for him to leave.

I think I've convinced myself for term limits. LOL

No more ambivalence.

Yeah right. Try to knock a sitting Georgia, Alabama or Mississippi Senator out of office. Damn near impossible.