http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...z4PLRgVBAH

President Obama's 'Russian reset' policy, which was designed to improve relations with Moscow, has looked increasingly like a policy of appeasement.

We should leave NATO.

If Europe wants to remain free, let them defend themselves. Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  We should leave NATO.

If Europe wants to remain free, let them defend themselves. Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

It's just a gangster regime.

(11-07-2016 01:20 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  We should leave NATO.

If Europe wants to remain free, let them defend themselves. Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

It's just a gangster regime.

And it is not our problem. We waste billions of dollars protecting Europe.

If they want freedom, they can fight and pay for it.

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

Did you really just say that?

WHAT THE FU CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?

No seriously. We have posters on a regular basis literally selling out to Russian propaganda for cheap political points.

(11-07-2016 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

Did you really just say that?

WHAT THE FU CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?

No seriously. We have posters on a regular basis literally selling out to Russian propaganda for cheap political points.

let me guess, you still think that Russia leaked those emails?

Scary thing to think about when you are aware that due to the composition of the Russian Army that any conflict with them would be an armor war and your son is a medic in an armor regiment and will go to war in an obsolete relic from the Vietnam War.

But hey....the pothead bimbo with the dirty blonde dreadlocks drinking her Starbucks while Tweeting on her IPhone while she protests the 1% got free birth control so we have that going for us.

(11-07-2016 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

Did you really just say that?

WHAT THE FU CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?

No seriously. We have posters on a regular basis literally selling out to Russian propaganda for cheap political points.

wasn't it President Bunnypants that said worrying about russia is an 80's thing? didn't he say they were a mere regional power?

(11-07-2016 01:33 PM)EagleX Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

Did you really just say that?

WHAT THE FU CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?

No seriously. We have posters on a regular basis literally selling out to Russian propaganda for cheap political points.

wasn't it President Bunnypants that said worrying about russia is an 80's thing? didn't he say they were a mere regional power?

1980's called they got their foreign policy back.

(11-07-2016 01:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  1980's called they got their foreign policy back.

he was just wrong, just like he's been wrong on every other significant foreign and domestic policy issue of the past 8 years.

Putin must be angry that his puppet Trump is going to lose.

Russia isn't our problem and there is no direct conflict to be had.

We should not risk a war with them, period.

NATO now just tries to antagonize Russia. It can't justify it's existence without drumming the idea that Russia is a threat. NATO is more of an aggressor than RUSSIA. Imagine how they must perceive things. Imagine if Russia conducted massive military drills on our border with Mexico. How would we feel about that? Why is it okay when NATO does it to Russia?

(11-07-2016 01:51 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  NATO now just tries to antagonize Russia. It can't justify it's existence without drumming the idea that Russia is a threat. NATO is more of an aggressor than RUSSIA. Imagine how they must perceive things. Imagine if Russia conducted massive military drills on our border with Mexico. How would we feel about that? Why is it okay when NATO does it to Russia?

"The treasury of virtue"

(11-07-2016 01:51 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  NATO now just tries to antagonize Russia. It can't justify it's existence without drumming the idea that Russia is a threat. NATO is more of an aggressor than RUSSIA. Imagine how they must perceive things. Imagine if Russia conducted massive military drills on our border with Mexico. How would we feel about that? Why is it okay when NATO does it to Russia?

The truth is somewhere in the middle. The U.S.A. is full of hypocrites. We bristle with outrage over the mention of someone hacking into our gov't computers, trying to influence our elections, stealing secrets, etc. However, the U.S. has been playing "god" since the end of WWII. I don't consider Russia to be an evil empire. Unlike the Soviet Union, Russia allowed the Orthodox Church to operate in the country and Putin is supposedly Orthodox himself. What we are seeing is nothing more than countries trying to maximize their own benefits. If you want to get down to brass tacks, then virtually every leader is evil. Everyone aspiring to have power over others is evil. You have to have some level of corruption in your being in order to do whatever it takes to secure that power. Our own leaders have varying levels of evil in their own makeup as well as Putin and other world leaders and legislatures.

It's as if we want everything to be some great moral struggle, probably because we don't have one.

Obama and Hillary want a Butt Hurt war with Russia. Reminds Me of the way They said Iraq was a butt Hurt war from W's Daddy and Saddam ! A great reason to Stop the Hillary War Machine TOMORROW !

(11-07-2016 02:08 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's as if we want everything to be some great moral struggle, probably because we don't have one.

Except we do have one with radical Islam.

(11-07-2016 01:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 01:11 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Modern day Russia is not an evil regime.

Did you really just say that?

WHAT THE FU CK IS WRONG WITH THIS PLACE?

No seriously. We have posters on a regular basis literally selling out to Russian propaganda for cheap political points.

Look at Miko's post. Russia is not a threat or a problem.