(10-24-2016 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He is meeting ESPN to negotiate a deal whereby UC gets a bigger payout. Basically we are going to be the 'Texas' of the AAC. Bearcat Network to follow...

Why not? You guys are matching their success on the field.

(10-24-2016 07:57 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He is meeting ESPN to negotiate a deal whereby UC gets a bigger payout. Basically we are going to be the 'Texas' of the AAC. Bearcat Network to follow...

Why not? You guys are matching their success on the field.

Zing

(10-24-2016 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He is meeting ESPN to negotiate a deal whereby UC gets a bigger payout. Basically we are going to be the 'Texas' of the AAC. Bearcat Network to follow...

Expect nothing nothing less! Considering you are both on par athletically in your conferences makes sense..... powerhouse

(10-24-2016 07:57 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He is meeting ESPN to negotiate a deal whereby UC gets a bigger payout. Basically we are going to be the 'Texas' of the AAC. Bearcat Network to follow...

Why not? You guys are matching their success on the field.

(10-24-2016 05:42 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 05:33 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 12:56 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 11:36 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  Aresco: "I would like to talk to you about renegotiating our contract."

ESPN: "We don't want to renegotiate your contract. We're content paying you **** money for the next few years."

Aresco: "But we're in the Power six?"

ESPN: "That's not a real thing. You just made it up. Please leave before I call secutity."

Aresco: "Just thought I'd ask before I rang up CBSsports, and NBC."

ESPN:

Don't hate the playa.

Just the Olympics in the AAC are worth quite a bit more than the all-sports rights put together from the lower G5. When you're only a 1 bid conference, you can't possibly think otherwise.

Aresco comes from a programming background. He knew when he was building this conference where to get the crème that was out there.

(10-24-2016 09:26 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

You want money? THIS IS MONEY!!!

1 bid, buddy... 1. bid.

(10-24-2016 04:26 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  ESPN is not going to offer this conference more money without a GOR I personally do not see any school in the conference being will to sign a GOR for 6 - 8 million a year.

No need for a GOR. The schools no longer have anywhere else to go.

(10-24-2016 04:33 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 03:56 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 03:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 03:47 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I get the feeling we gave espn too much ammo to screw us this year. Our conference needed to dominate this year and they havn't at all.

If anything they have proven that the big 12 was right that our teams would have watered down the big 12. We have literally destroyed our own leverage.

An alternative explanation is that our conference is much better across the board. Navy is GOOD. Temple... is GOOD.

We had this debate in the old big east. A conference with 2 horses watches them romp, gets them ranked and gets a lot of attention. A conference with multiple great teams beats up on itself (parity), and does not get the ratings/attention.

Exactly parity is a terrible thing for this conference. The only P5 conference that can say parity and get away with it is the sec. As far as everyone else is concerned parity in a G5 no teams were that good and the conference is so watered down that no one could separate themselves. We are probably about to get screwed.

Yes, but our OOC winning percentage against the privileged is pretty damned solid. And we lose to their power teams as much as their own teams do. I think you are right though, parity is going to hurt until we have a couple of teams regularly in the NYD/play off conversation.

Parity within a conference isn't a big deal as long as the conference holds its own in OOC play. OOC play determines the relative strength of a conference.

(10-25-2016 12:04 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 04:26 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  ESPN is not going to offer this conference more money without a GOR I personally do not see any school in the conference being will to sign a GOR for 6 - 8 million a year.

No need for a GOR. The schools no longer have anywhere else to go.

Exactly.

The Big 12 is selling off their pro rata clause... So that closes that door.

And IF another autonomy conference decides to expand, it will be the Big 12 that gets picked apart... because A.) the Big 12 is a wounded animal, and B.) the Big 12 just pissed off ESPN by holding them up for more cash.

(10-24-2016 07:52 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  He is meeting ESPN to negotiate a deal whereby UC gets a bigger payout. Basically we are going to be the 'Texas' of the AAC. Bearcat Network to follow...

From a football record standpoint, you have sorta already achieved that goal


Cubanbull beat me to it lol

(10-24-2016 02:55 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Hey it never hurts to see what ESPN will do. However, ESPN has locked up the lower 3 G5 for content. Granted that is quantity verse quality. Personally, I see no incentive for ESPN to extend. I can see ESPN lowball again. Basically offering 500k-Million to the payout to to extend the AAC contract for another 3-6 years. AAC would be foolish to sign. Both are probable better served to start negotiations in Year 5. Which I believe is on two years away.

Then again, I never thought the ESPN would agree on creating the ACC Network. One never knows what ESPN will do.

The problem is all the political rhetoric and the posturing. As much as I love CFB I hate the off the field narrative impact, the perception part of the game, because way too much of it doesn't reflect reality or is straight up fiction.

Your shock at the ACC was born of the conventional wisdom that came out of B12 propaganda and the SEC narratives from it's media partners at the ACC's expense. The ACC offices were always relatively quiet when compared to their counterparts in this process and in retrospect they had no reason to be out chirping. The fundamentals for what has transpired have been present the entire time, but the political rhetoric and narrative drumbeats have a way of warping the decision making process.

What Aresco has to be wary of is pushing narrative too far and overplaying his hand. I saw him on at halftime of the SMU/Houston game I think it was, and he was talking about meeting with media partners and rolling out "a Power 6 narrative".

The first thing that popped in my mind was Bob Diaco. It was like he called Diaco up and asked if he had any ideas.

Like the Civil ConFLiCT, reality that depends on the actions and perceptions of others is not going to simply bend to your will on command.

It's a mistake to announce a strategy like that to the world in the same way the B12 Expansion circus was a mistake. You work it behind closed doors, you coordinate and push for traction where it matters, in media. Suddenly people are talking and while it's a machination it seems organic and can have an impact on the psyche of the sport.

(10-24-2016 04:33 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 04:26 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  ESPN is not going to offer this conference more money without a GOR I personally do not see any school in the conference being will to sign a GOR for 6 - 8 million a year.

The GOR issue was alleviated a ton with the recent expansion saga.

The Big 12 made the GOR for us a moot point. The Big 12 is most in line to be raided now.

Yes, but that means there will be a B12 remnant that Houston, UC, the florida sisters, etc. will be interested in talking to.

Lower your expectations guys. Glad Aresco is out there hustling but ESPN doesn't have to do anything.

(10-25-2016 08:07 AM)Comet Wrote:  Lower your expectations guys. Glad Aresco is out there hustling but ESPN doesn't have to do anything.

Aresco is doing his job. It's what we are paying him to do. Promote the conference at every chance he gets.

If ESPN doesn't want to pay more he takes it to the open market. It's pretty simple.

(10-25-2016 08:48 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(10-25-2016 08:07 AM)Comet Wrote:  Lower your expectations guys. Glad Aresco is out there hustling but ESPN doesn't have to do anything.

Aresco is doing his job. It's what we are paying him to do. Promote the conference at every chance he gets.

If ESPN doesn't want to pay more he takes it to the open market. It's pretty simple.

Exactly. They don't have to offer us anything, and if they don't take it to the open market and this time ESPN doesn't really have the "get other leagues to raid us to oblivion" card to play. He's well aware his mandate is to get this league a lot more money, at the very least enough to cover the loss in Big East war chest funds that will be drying up soon.

(10-25-2016 07:26 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(10-24-2016 02:55 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Hey it never hurts to see what ESPN will do. However, ESPN has locked up the lower 3 G5 for content. Granted that is quantity verse quality. Personally, I see no incentive for ESPN to extend. I can see ESPN lowball again. Basically offering 500k-Million to the payout to to extend the AAC contract for another 3-6 years. AAC would be foolish to sign. Both are probable better served to start negotiations in Year 5. Which I believe is on two years away.

Then again, I never thought the ESPN would agree on creating the ACC Network. One never knows what ESPN will do.

The problem is all the political rhetoric and the posturing. As much as I love CFB I hate the off the field narrative impact, the perception part of the game, because way too much of it doesn't reflect reality or is straight up fiction.

Your shock at the ACC was born of the conventional wisdom that came out of B12 propaganda and the SEC narratives from it's media partners at the ACC's expense. The ACC offices were always relatively quiet when compared to their counterparts in this process and in retrospect they had no reason to be out chirping. The fundamentals for what has transpired have been present the entire time, but the political rhetoric and narrative drumbeats have a way of warping the decision making process.

What Aresco has to be wary of is pushing narrative too far and overplaying his hand. I saw him on at halftime of the SMU/Houston game I think it was, and he was talking about meeting with media partners and rolling out "a Power 6 narrative".

The first thing that popped in my mind was Bob Diaco. It was like he called Diaco up and asked if he had any ideas.

Like the Civil ConFLiCT, reality that depends on the actions and perceptions of others is not going to simply bend to your will on command.

It's a mistake to announce a strategy like that to the world in the same way the B12 Expansion circus was a mistake. You work it behind closed doors, you coordinate and push for traction where it matters, in media. Suddenly people are talking and while it's a machination it seems organic and can have an impact on the psyche of the sport.

We need a team/teams in the real post season conversation on a seasonal basis for this campaign to really work. And when teams are in the NY6 bowls they need to not just get there they need to win, Houston and UCF have done that. We really need to continue that trend. Without that the p6 thing is going nowhere, ratings or not. Having to point to 2015 and 2013 bowl wins in future years isn't going to help unless someone is currently in the conversation. To that end we need BSU to trip and Navy to continue winning and to win the conference. 3 major bowls over 4 years gets it done.

(10-24-2016 02:55 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Hey it never hurts to see what ESPN will do. However, ESPN has locked up the lower 3 G5 for content. Granted that is quantity verse quality. Personally, I see no incentive for ESPN to extend. I can see ESPN lowball again. Basically offering 500k-Million to the payout to to extend the AAC contract for another 3-6 years. AAC would be foolish to sign. Both are probable better served to start negotiations in Year 5. Which I believe is on two years away.

Then again, I never thought the ESPN would agree on creating the ACC Network. One never knows what ESPN will do.

They did it, because those cheap asses didn't want to pay the penalty for reneging on the ACC TV network contractual stipulation.

With B12 fiasco over now Aresco has a better bargaining position than the AAC has had in the last 1.5 years. He knows there will no B12 expansion or any other for a while. The AAC has to have been offered something or he would not be making noise.

Someone help me here- ESPN has a valid contract with the AAC, and the AAC doesn't have any better offers that we know of.

Why then is ESPN going to pay the AAC more for the exact same content that they can continue getting for current price?

The only way this happens is if Aresco has a secret offer from someone else in his pocket to leverage against ESPN. Which I doubt.

(10-25-2016 10:26 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Someone help me here- ESPN has a valid contract with the AAC, and the AAC doesn't have any better offers that we know of.

Why then is ESPN going to pay the AAC more for the exact same content that they can continue getting for current price?

The only way this happens is if Aresco has a secret offer from someone else in his pocket to leverage against ESPN. Which I doubt.

They're not. This is all just wishful thinking.