Started early with some big names. Smaller fish jumping into the pond.

Fresno state canned their hc today.

Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

(10-23-2016 01:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

Nah. I'm pretty sure his success was due to Bridgewater. I don't see anything in Strong that makes me want him here.

BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

(10-23-2016 02:54 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

Nah. I'm pretty sure his success was due to Bridgewater. I don't see anything in Strong that makes me want him here.

i think Strong is done in TX as well. That said, i don't imagine he would consider us. He'll have his fair share of opportunities to consider before he ever considers us. This off season is looking to be pretty competitive already when it comes to coaching. i hope we are lining up our ducks if we are looking to dump Tubs because we'll have to move fast.

(10-23-2016 03:55 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

They have too much money invested in Kelly and a previous HC... I don't think they CAN fire Kelly. I don't think they can afford to.

We'll see, I guess.

(10-23-2016 04:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 03:55 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

They have too much money invested in Kelly and a previous HC... I don't think they CAN fire Kelly. I don't think they can afford to.

We'll see, I guess.

If anybody can afford it it's ND. That being said, it's one down year. He's the most successful coach there since Holtz. He ain't going anywhere.

(10-23-2016 03:55 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

Swarbrick has already come out and publicly stated Kelly will be back for 2017.

"Brian will lead this team out of the tunnel opening day next year," Swarbrick told Espn.

(10-23-2016 04:33 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 04:31 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 03:55 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

They have too much money invested in Kelly and a previous HC... I don't think they CAN fire Kelly. I don't think they can afford to.

We'll see, I guess.

If anybody can afford it it's ND. That being said, it's one down year. He's the most successful coach there since Holtz. He ain't going anywhere.

Yup, i think he'll stick for at least one more year, but he needs to make the playoffs soon. No one is immune.

(10-23-2016 04:34 PM)BearcatnKY Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 03:55 PM)Kenyon#4 Wrote:  BK might be done at ND depending on how the rest of the season goes.

Swarbrick has already come out and publicly stated Kelly will be back for 2017.

"Brian will lead this team out of the tunnel opening day next year," Swarbrick told Espn.

And until he actually does it, that statement means absolutley nothing.

Maybe Kelly will convince ND that to be truly competitive on a recruiting basis, they need to be in a conference full time.

(10-23-2016 04:01 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 02:54 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

Nah. I'm pretty sure his success was due to Bridgewater. I don't see anything in Strong that makes me want him here.

i think Strong is done in TX as well. That said, i don't imagine he would consider us. He'll have his fair share of opportunities to consider before he ever considers us. This off season is looking to be pretty competitive already when it comes to coaching. i hope we are lining up our ducks if we are looking to dump Tubs because we'll have to move fast.

We'll see how things play out, but right now I'm anticipating Strong will be let go but BK will get a mulligan. It's come up before but I disagree with those who seem certain that Strong is going to have all these great HC opportunities if Texas fires him. I don't see boosters at upper or even middle P5s opening their wallets wide to add a guy Texas is paying big bucks to have go away. If he's looking to continue as a HC I think his likely best case scenario is a lower P5 or upper G5. If the UC job is open, I think we'd be right in his sweet spot as a program that pays well with solid facilities and a strong (no pun intended) recent history so that he knows he can win, but a little down right now so that expectations aren't way out of line.

I'm not necessarily for or against it at this point, but if he's available and if the UC HC job is available I think it would deserve strong (again npi) consideration on both ends and a match between the two is not a bit far-fetched.

Charlie Strong is in his 7th year as a head coach. He had two really good years with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback and 5 mediocre years otherwise. If he were hired as UC's coach, he would only be two years younger than Tuberville was when he was hired. I can't imagine he would be any worse than Tuberville, but I am skeptical that he would elevate the program all that much.

(10-23-2016 07:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Charlie Strong is in his 7th year as a head coach. He had two really good years with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback and 5 mediocre years otherwise. If he were hired as UC's coach, he would only be two years younger than Tuberville was when he was hired. I can't imagine he would be any worse than Tuberville, but I am skeptical that he would elevate the program all that much.

With all due respect i think your characterization of Strong's tenure at UL is very much an oversimplification. Keep in mind that he took over from Kragthorpe, whom many would argue left an absolute dumpster fire of a program. Did he benefit from recruiting Bridgewater? Absolutely, but i believe his Ds were also pretty good and he seemed to recruit really well.

As an aside, age, in and of itself, is not a disqualifying characteristic. i get being wary of it given our current situation, but that might be as much a factor of the work ethic of our current HC as anything else. i have seen nothing to indicate that Strong is not engaged with his program. if nothing else, it appears he understands the gravitas of his current situation and is doing everything he can not to fail. i feel the situations are different.

(10-23-2016 07:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 04:01 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 02:54 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

Nah. I'm pretty sure his success was due to Bridgewater. I don't see anything in Strong that makes me want him here.

i think Strong is done in TX as well. That said, i don't imagine he would consider us. He'll have his fair share of opportunities to consider before he ever considers us. This off season is looking to be pretty competitive already when it comes to coaching. i hope we are lining up our ducks if we are looking to dump Tubs because we'll have to move fast.

We'll see how things play out, but right now I'm anticipating Strong will be let go but BK will get a mulligan. It's come up before but I disagree with those who seem certain that Strong is going to have all these great HC opportunities if Texas fires him. I don't see boosters at upper or even middle P5s opening their wallets wide to add a guy Texas is paying big bucks to have go away. If he's looking to continue as a HC I think his likely best case scenario is a lower P5 or upper G5. If the UC job is open, I think we'd be right in his sweet spot as a program that pays well with solid facilities and a strong (no pun intended) recent history so that he knows he can win, but a little down right now so that expectations aren't way out of line.

I'm not necessarily for or against it at this point, but if he's available and if the UC HC job is available I think it would deserve strong (again npi) consideration on both ends and a match between the two is not a bit far-fetched.

i wouldn't be surprised if the situation as you describe it ultimately is what plays out. Without arguing too much because it's really immaterial, the question becomes whether a bottom tier P5 (iowa state, Kansas, Purdue, Indiana, etc) is better then a top tier G5? Maybe a blanket statement can't be made but just the TV money (especially for b10/sec teams) and potential ease of access to the playoffs (treated separately from the likelihood of benefiting from said access) makes me feel that UC will always be relegated to second class citizenship in the cfb landscape when it comes to HC candidates.

(10-23-2016 07:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Charlie Strong is in his 7th year as a head coach. He had two really good years with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback and 5 mediocre years otherwise. If he were hired as UC's coach, he would only be two years younger than Tuberville was when he was hired. I can't imagine he would be any worse than Tuberville, but I am skeptical that he would elevate the program all that much.

Strong built that program up from nearly ashes. People don't recall the level of attrition they had under Kraggthorpe.

I'd take Strong without an interview. That strategy has worked out well for us.

(10-23-2016 08:18 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 07:11 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 04:01 PM)eroc Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 02:54 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 01:45 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Charlie Strong IS going to be available. Not saying Texas gets Herman, but Strong's tenure is all-but-done at UT.

I'd like to see him at UC even though I wasn't a fan of his at Louisville.

Nah. I'm pretty sure his success was due to Bridgewater. I don't see anything in Strong that makes me want him here.

i think Strong is done in TX as well. That said, i don't imagine he would consider us. He'll have his fair share of opportunities to consider before he ever considers us. This off season is looking to be pretty competitive already when it comes to coaching. i hope we are lining up our ducks if we are looking to dump Tubs because we'll have to move fast.

We'll see how things play out, but right now I'm anticipating Strong will be let go but BK will get a mulligan. It's come up before but I disagree with those who seem certain that Strong is going to have all these great HC opportunities if Texas fires him. I don't see boosters at upper or even middle P5s opening their wallets wide to add a guy Texas is paying big bucks to have go away. If he's looking to continue as a HC I think his likely best case scenario is a lower P5 or upper G5. If the UC job is open, I think we'd be right in his sweet spot as a program that pays well with solid facilities and a strong (no pun intended) recent history so that he knows he can win, but a little down right now so that expectations aren't way out of line.

I'm not necessarily for or against it at this point, but if he's available and if the UC HC job is available I think it would deserve strong (again npi) consideration on both ends and a match between the two is not a bit far-fetched.

i wouldn't be surprised if the situation as you describe it ultimately is what plays out. Without arguing too much because it's really immaterial, the question becomes whether a bottom tier P5 (iowa state, Kansas, Purdue, Indiana, etc) is better then a top tier G5? Maybe a blanket statement can't be made but just the TV money (especially for b10/sec teams) and potential ease of access to the playoffs (treated separately from the likelihood of benefiting from said access) makes me feel that UC will always be relegated to second class citizenship in the cfb landscape when it comes to HC candidates.

WRT the 2 issues you raised:
1. TV Money is huge to a University/AD, but to a coach the real question is how much support does the program get. From what I've seen, starting with HC salary, UC is very competitive with most low P5/ high G5 programs. I guess the one caveat is whether that can and will continue if UC remains in a G5 with the current AAC TV contract.
2. Maybe a low P5 can sell a recruit on ease of access, but I question whether a coach like Strong can fool himself into thinking that he has a better shot at making the playoffs and/or NY6 (or whatever it's called) at say, Purdue than he would at UC.

(10-23-2016 07:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Charlie Strong is in his 7th year as a head coach. He had two really good years with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback and 5 mediocre years otherwise. If he were hired as UC's coach, he would only be two years younger than Tuberville was when he was hired. I can't imagine he would be any worse than Tuberville, but I am skeptical that he would elevate the program all that much.

This. He did a decent but not great job at Louisville. Would be a step up from Tubs, but that's it.

(10-23-2016 08:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-23-2016 07:22 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Charlie Strong is in his 7th year as a head coach. He had two really good years with Teddy Bridgewater at quarterback and 5 mediocre years otherwise. If he were hired as UC's coach, he would only be two years younger than Tuberville was when he was hired. I can't imagine he would be any worse than Tuberville, but I am skeptical that he would elevate the program all that much.

Strong built that program up from nearly ashes. People don't recall the level of attrition they had under Kraggthorpe.

+1. That program was in the toilet under Kragthorpe. Basically the players they had left were void of talent and had given up. He came in and took Louisville to a bowl game the first year. He then led them to a Sugar Bowl victory as a heavy underdog to a loaded Florida team. He went 12-1 in his final year concluding with a humiliation of Miami in the Russell Athletic Bowl. His record at Texas deserves plenty of criticism but what he did at Louisville was remarkable.