(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all"

They lied to everyone very publicly, sold out for a money grab after making UNIVERSITIES beg and giving them hope of joining the "HAVES"

You really can't understand why that created a negative reaction in many people? That's a you problem dude

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

I agree with you

...and I wouldn't listen to any of these douchebags on here trying to win arguments either

I'm done with everything Big xii...that conference can go suck a fart out of hell's ass

(10-19-2016 07:59 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

agree 100%

Not sure why people have a hard time getting this.....its simple business. The LB is under no obligation to 'take one for the home team'. In fact its asinine to think they should/would. They made a sound business decision and I would have done the same thing in their shoes.

Ya and OP is now reacting to that business decision

It's not rocket science

(10-19-2016 07:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

Sometimes you need that support from a hometown bowl. The Orange Bowl took that risk by supporting Miami and aligning itself with the Big East.

Well, let's clarify: First, in 1997, the Orange was left in a lurch when the Big 8, it's partner since the 1960s, switched to the Fiesta. So the Orange was without a contract anchor.

Then, in 1998, yes, the Orange did align itself with the Big East, but only partially, since while Miami was in the Big East its alignment was with both the Big East and ACC, not the Big East alone. Finally, it's one thing to align with Miami, at the time one of the four or five biggest brands in college football, than with Memphis.

It's just unrealistic to think that the Liberty Bowl, which sees itself as an SEC bowl, bucking the SEC in favor of Memphis. I mean, that's just not going to happen.

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

(10-22-2016 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

SMU presented and we knew it was a long shot. We used the opportunity to get feed back on how to improve the program.

Main feedback I got was Houston and SMU fans need to hate Baylor more for the way they **** on both programs during the process

(10-22-2016 07:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 07:09 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-19-2016 11:16 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Took Memphis and the AAC out of play. The conference (CUSA) or coalition of Indy teams (pre CUSA) that Memphis was a part of always got to play in the Liberty. We all expected that tradition to continue when Memphis joined the AAC. Sucks.

When the SEC said to the Liberty Bowl, "we don't want to play CUSA anymore, we want you to find a P5 opponent, namely the Big 12", what on earth was the LB realistically supposed to do, say "no, we'd rather have the AAC, Memphis's new conference, and you can take it or leave it".

Seriously?

Sometimes you need that support from a hometown bowl. The Orange Bowl took that risk by supporting Miami and aligning itself with the Big East.

Well, let's clarify: First, in 1997, the Orange was left in a lurch when the Big 8, it's partner since the 1960s, switched to the Fiesta. So the Orange was without a contract anchor.

Then, in 1998, yes, the Orange did align itself with the Big East, but only partially, since while Miami was in the Big East its alignment was with both the Big East and ACC, not the Big East alone. Finally, it's one thing to align with Miami, at the time one of the four or five biggest brands in college football, than with Memphis.

It's just unrealistic to think that the Liberty Bowl, which sees itself as an SEC bowl, bucking the SEC in favor of Memphis. I mean, that's just not going to happen.

Yes they did lose Big 8 anchor but as someone that lives in area I can tell you that there was also a major shift in the powerbroker sin the OB at that time. Miami was starting it's rise and many OB members had ties with the school and wanted to help continue its rise. This was also a major reason for them doing the tie in with the Big East and later with ACC

(10-22-2016 08:36 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

SMU presented and we knew it was a long shot. We used the opportunity to get feed back on how to improve the program.

Main feedback I got was Houston and SMU fans need to hate Baylor more for the way they **** on both programs during the process

Exactly. I'm sure the schools who presented understood that not only is it a long-shot that the Big 12 picks their specific school, but it's also a long-shot that the Big 12 expands at all.

No promises were made, but the schools who presented decided to take the chance anyway and that it was too big of an opportunity (as small as the likelihood was) to pass up.

(10-22-2016 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

Exactly.....I do not see where the Big12 lied to anyone.

(10-22-2016 09:23 AM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  Exactly. I'm sure the schools who presented understood that not only is it a long-shot that the Big 12 picks their specific school, but it's also a long-shot that the Big 12 expands at all.

No promises were made, but the schools who presented decided to take the chance anyway and that it was too big of an opportunity (as small as the likelihood was) to pass up.

I think most schools were aware that no-expansion was an option. I think the way the Big12 conducted its expansion consideration--in public--and the confusing public statements by the Big12 are what folks dislike.

That's not just a take from AAC schools. The Big12 was derided for its amteurish efforts by others in the sports media.

(10-22-2016 09:27 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:53 PM)wylioats Wrote:  As we all know, the Liberty Bowl game, played in Memphis, is tied into the $EC and the BIG XII. I've always supported and gone to the LB games in the past, just to support the local bowl game. Never again. I've bought my last ticket and gone to my last LB game until the B12 is no longer a part of it.

Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

Exactly.....I do not see where the Big12 lied to anyone.

I'm not mad that they decided not to expand. That was their option. I think it actually helped bring attention to most of the AAC schools that were considered

(10-22-2016 10:39 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 09:27 AM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:03 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:29 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not sure why? What did the Big 12 do wrong?

Are you kidding?? You don't think using your P5 status to create a gigantic mess by acting like youre going to add programs, and then saying "nope, not going to expand after all".

Maybe I missed something, but what I heard and read was that the Big 12 was exploring expansion, and invited some schools to make presentations. There was never any promise made to any school that they would be invited, nor was there ever a promise that someone would be invited, i.e., that they definitely would expand.

All along, it was well understood that "no expansion" was a viable option.

So I do not believe the Big 12 owes anyone, USF included, an apology.

Exactly.....I do not see where the Big12 lied to anyone.

I'm not mad that they decided not to expand. That was their option. I think it actually helped bring attention to most of the AAC schools that were considered

They say any publicity is good publicity; it made the AAC teams look better than the MWC and Boise State, since they weren't even in consideration and only 2 MWC teams were in contention (versus almost the entire AAC).