(10-21-2016 09:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 08:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  BYU is counted a a "Power 5" school for scheduling purposes, so that those schools do not have to schedule harder.

BYU is in a "no man's land" as an Independent. They are not Power 5, nor do they receive any of the access to the NYD Bowls that the Gang of Five has.

I think BYU has a good deal as an Independent if they are comfortable playing a tough entertaining schedule, but no championship to play for.

BYU will never join the AAC, or the MW.

byu publicly says they dont want indy
even in their response to no expansion they publicly say they can bring alot to a p5. that they will keep striving

they have made it extremely clear they dont want indy, their entire byutv is dedicated to big 12 news for the last 2 months.

their old coach who knew their inner working said indy was unsustainable...

Nobody's arguing that they'd turn down the PAC or Big 12, though. That's what BYU means when they say that they don't want to remain independent - they want one of those two conferences (really, any P5, but I don't see any other possibilities). It's not like the MW kicked them out and won't have them back, they could get in tomorrow if they wanted.

(10-21-2016 01:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 09:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 08:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  BYU is counted a a "Power 5" school for scheduling purposes, so that those schools do not have to schedule harder.

BYU is in a "no man's land" as an Independent. They are not Power 5, nor do they receive any of the access to the NYD Bowls that the Gang of Five has.

I think BYU has a good deal as an Independent if they are comfortable playing a tough entertaining schedule, but no championship to play for.

BYU will never join the AAC, or the MW.

byu publicly says they dont want indy
even in their response to no expansion they publicly say they can bring alot to a p5. that they will keep striving

they have made it extremely clear they dont want indy, their entire byutv is dedicated to big 12 news for the last 2 months.

their old coach who knew their inner working said indy was unsustainable...

Nobody's arguing that they'd turn down the PAC or Big 12, though. That's what BYU means when they say that they don't want to remain independent - they want one of those two conferences (really, any P5, but I don't see any other possibilities). It's not like the MW kicked them out and won't have them back, they could get in tomorrow if they wanted.

B12 is their only option. P12 is far and away the most liberal conferance.

(10-21-2016 01:26 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 10:28 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 03:09 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 08:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-20-2016 06:58 AM)MickMack Wrote:  Absolutely nothing has changed on our side of the bargaining table. ESPN had complete control over "stability" then just like it does now. ESPN is also going out of its way to tell everyone that AAC programs are inferior and do not move the needle. You may think the AAC product deserves more money, but, unfortunately, that's not how it works.

On the other side of the bargaining table, yes, things have changed very much. Television revenue is dropping off a cliff. Subscribers are down. Two networks likely paid a P5 conference to not add more inventory. ESPN is not going to throw its declining revenue at a product it has gone out of the way to label inferior.

This is really your first time at this rodeo so I don't blame you. ESPN destroyed a BCS conference so that it could consolidate the inventory it wanted and toss everything else to the curb and throw pennies at it. If you think this ends well you haven't been paying attention.

what has changed: since the original aac deal was signed
1) the ACC GoR was signed..we were expected to lose 5-6 more members at the time the deal was signed
2) Houston and SMU were rumored to the MWC... that rumor is dead
3) uconn won 1 mens national title in bball, and won 3 womens title
4) smu has become a national brand in basketball (were dead weights at the time of the deal)
5) our viability as a basketball league has proven itself when plenty thought the left over teams would just disappear
5) ucf, usf, temple & memphis have DRAMATICALLY improved their football brand, who had no national football appeal at the time of the deal (depth)
6) Houston has become the football darling boise once was, when the AAC had no darlings before
7) navy went from a regular 8 win team to a regular top 25 team
8) none of bad teams are viewed as fcs horrible, while a few were at the time of the deal

9) and biggest of all, that deal didnt include navy/army navy/nd..our next deal willl, A HUGE bargaining chip.. if you want 2 of the most valuable games in college football give us a fair price on everything ..they might be willing to lose the AAC, but the Army/Navy game is a top 3 football tradition that has brand equity and gives us leverage

-and this last thing has nothing to do with us, but espn has lost a ridiculous mount of content the last few years by competitors and creating channels (secnetwork/acc netwrok) they wont want to keep empowering their competitors and thinning out their programming
-plus nbcsport is aware of espn matching now, i doubt theyd go low again if they wanted us and make the same mistake twice

im not saying we have the bargaining chip to get 25mil or p5 money, but a lot has dramatically changed to dramaticallyto increase our value and we have gained a ton of leverage the last few years, some our own control, some with the help of other conferences and their decisions

I don't think Navy is going to sign their rights away. They put that in their agreement when they joined the big east. The AAC would have to offer navy more than they make now which will be doubtful with how things have been going with tv contracts.

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...Navy.aspx?

Stop trying to manipulate and twist the truth

Navy seal is financially secure, but they have already signed their rights away...
We will own navy rights regardless of the payout and are free to use them as leverage...the only thing is that if it's less they just get a cut equal to what they make now..
If it's less they don't get their rights back, they just get a bigger cut.. stop twisting the facts

And how is c-USA any trend in tv deals .. the Mac deal before them was a 10x increase, the big 10 after them was a 3x increase.. what trend??

Why would they insist on putting that in their agreement to join the league? I don't know what they will do we will have to see. Seems like a special araingement already since no other AAC team has these options.

it was put in their because many people at navy thought theyd lose money joining the AAC.

it was put in there as a finaincial safety net, not as a way to keep their rights. stop posting that narrative.. its not true , stop twisiting facts

you do this thing, that youll say something completely wrong, everyone will show you tons of reasons why its wrong, youll pretend like you get it and 2 days later youll still post the same wrong original narrative

navys deal is being added to the AAC regardless of the price of our deal..if its lower than 4mil per plus (rumored amount) navy get a 4mil check first before its split even among the rest ...if its less than 4mil per navy be included in the AAC tv deal regardless

(10-21-2016 01:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 09:36 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-21-2016 08:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  BYU is counted a a "Power 5" school for scheduling purposes, so that those schools do not have to schedule harder.

BYU is in a "no man's land" as an Independent. They are not Power 5, nor do they receive any of the access to the NYD Bowls that the Gang of Five has.

I think BYU has a good deal as an Independent if they are comfortable playing a tough entertaining schedule, but no championship to play for.

BYU will never join the AAC, or the MW.

byu publicly says they dont want indy
even in their response to no expansion they publicly say they can bring alot to a p5. that they will keep striving

they have made it extremely clear they dont want indy, their entire byutv is dedicated to big 12 news for the last 2 months.

their old coach who knew their inner working said indy was unsustainable...

Nobody's arguing that they'd turn down the PAC or Big 12, though. That's what BYU means when they say that they don't want to remain independent - they want one of those two conferences (really, any P5, but I don't see any other possibilities). It's not like the MW kicked them out and won't have them back, they could get in tomorrow if they wanted.

theyve made it clear they dpnt want MWC, they made it clear they are desperate for a P5 and dont want indy

they did talk to the big east for alittle bit before backing out and considered it

im not saying theyd take the AAC now, but im saying they arent happy in their current situation, that is obvious..

overtime the p5 dream will slowly die and they will strongly begin to consider settling. especially if our next deal is worth more than their current (they get 4mil a year)

"Aresco said he plans to meet with ESPN in the next two or three weeks to discuss the possibilities of revamping the conference's TV deal, which expires after the 2019-2020 season."


http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf...sco_c.html

I think the American should definitely push for P6 status

Bring Boise State and AirForce into the conversation...talk to BYU, even if they don't come

(10-18-2016 04:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think there are TWO hurdles that Aresco and the AAC need to overcome in the future.
1. TV money
2. Bowl game

These two things separate the AAC from P5
1. We are going to struggle getting P5 money from current TV providers because lack the Big name anchor schools. But if we can get 8-10 million we can still be competitive, he might have to go and take a risk on new providers like Google etc.

2. We need the AAC to get an anchor bowl, maybe the Liberty,Outback, Capital that are based in the home city of one of our schools but to that we will need help from city and also get a partner wether it's Fedex or maybe someone like Underarmor to Adopt the league and put big money for the bowl game and demand as part the the AAC champ goes there with the money they put up a quality P5 opponent cann be gathered.
Maybe get such a deal by having the entire league sign under one provider like Nike,Undearmor etc thus that brand will have an economic tie to the league success

I think #1 is feasible, but not #2, as an anchor in any of those bowls would mean ousting either the SEC or the B1G, and that just isn't happening.

But problem is, even if we achieved both, we'd still be far from Power status. There just is no hope for this conference in that regard.

(10-22-2016 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 04:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think there are TWO hurdles that Aresco and the AAC need to overcome in the future.
1. TV money
2. Bowl game

These two things separate the AAC from P5
1. We are going to struggle getting P5 money from current TV providers because lack the Big name anchor schools. But if we can get 8-10 million we can still be competitive, he might have to go and take a risk on new providers like Google etc.

2. We need the AAC to get an anchor bowl, maybe the Liberty,Outback, Capital that are based in the home city of one of our schools but to that we will need help from city and also get a partner wether it's Fedex or maybe someone like Underarmor to Adopt the league and put big money for the bowl game and demand as part the the AAC champ goes there with the money they put up a quality P5 opponent cann be gathered.
Maybe get such a deal by having the entire league sign under one provider like Nike,Undearmor etc thus that brand will have an economic tie to the league success

I think #1 is feasible, but not #2, as an anchor in any of those bowls would mean ousting either the SEC or the B1G, and that just isn't happening.

But problem is, even if we achieved both, we'd still be far from Power status. There just is no hope for this conference in that regard.

Owning our own bowl was a start; sure, the one million dollar payout of the Miami Beach bowl is less than the 3 to 4 million the bigger bowls payout, but it's a start and way more than some other bowls. Plus, maybe down the line, we can secure the Liberty with the help of Fedex.

(10-22-2016 06:49 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 04:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think there are TWO hurdles that Aresco and the AAC need to overcome in the future.
1. TV money
2. Bowl game

Owning our own bowl was a start; sure, the one million dollar payout of the Miami Beach bowl is less than the 3 to 4 million the bigger bowls payout, but it's a start and way more than some other bowls. Plus, maybe down the line, we can secure the Liberty with the help of Fedex.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

(10-22-2016 07:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:49 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 04:48 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I think there are TWO hurdles that Aresco and the AAC need to overcome in the future.
1. TV money
2. Bowl game

Owning our own bowl was a start; sure, the one million dollar payout of the Miami Beach bowl is less than the 3 to 4 million the bigger bowls payout, but it's a start and way more than some other bowls. Plus, maybe down the line, we can secure the Liberty with the help of Fedex.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

I know, right? However, it is the same breath I've been holding for P6 inclusion! :)

(10-22-2016 06:18 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think the American should definitely push for P6 status

Bring Boise State and AirForce into the conversation...talk to BYU, even if they don't come

I agree. If Aresco can get BSU and AF to talk?...I believe BYU will want in that conversation. At that point Army comes into play. I cant see expanding without these 4 in regard to increasing the TV payout. Im not a huge fan of having all 3 SA's in the AAC..but..I can see the benefits of it from a TV and status standpoint. Having all 3 would make the AAC very special.

LOL. If this thread exists in its current state in the MIDDLE of the season. God help us in March.

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(10-22-2016 09:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-22-2016 06:18 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think the American should definitely push for P6 status

Bring Boise State and AirForce into the conversation...talk to BYU, even if they don't come

I agree. If Aresco can get BSU and AF to talk?...I believe BYU will want in that conversation. At that point Army comes into play. I cant see expanding without these 4 in regard to increasing the TV payout. Im not a huge fan of having all 3 SA's in the AAC..but..I can see the benefits of it from a TV and status standpoint. Having all 3 would make the AAC very special.

I started a thread about this a day before the Big 12 decided to not expand and I got the "not this $h!t again" response; the very next day, almost every new thread was about AAC expansion.

With the B12 not expanding, BYU has 2 real options at this point, Stay independant and go to a meaningless bowl every year or suck up their pride, join the AAC and try from their to make P5 just like everyone else.

If we added BYU, Boise, Airforce, and Army to Make 16 we would be as close to a P5 conference as we could ever get. I think that could garner 10-12 million.

Only if we institute a rule that no game starts after 8:00 pm CST

(10-22-2016 01:11 PM)panama Wrote:  LOL. If this thread exists in its current state in the MIDDLE of the season. God help us in March.

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Honestly, why does this any of this matter to you? Ga State will never be in the AAC, so why even post about any of this? The AAC is in a position to pull away from every other G5 conference , why do you care as Ga State fan that we are discussing this reality?