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(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 12:58 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pac 12 is comprised of state flagship universities (with Berkeley, UCLA and UW all being top 10 or top 15 public schools) and two top 30 universities in Stanford and UCLA. They won't take anyone from Texas unless it's UT and potentially someone else. They aren't going to settle for anything less than UT, which is a top 10 public university.

Okstate was offered an invite

ASU was offered an Invite and is a member (they weren't grandfathered in)
Your theory has many holes

Again no one is denying they want UT. But they are no where a lock for UT..the big 12 could announce a 15year GOR extension tomorrow in some backroom deal as a reason they didn't expand (who knows) and Texas could easily choose the big 10 or SEC

They won't settle as long as UT is a possibility.. But the minute that door closes for whatever reason. Houston becomes an extremely viable option for them

If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand
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RE: Does Houston and Maybe BYU Have a Realistic Shot at Pac 12? Is now the time?
(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 12:58 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pac 12 is comprised of state flagship universities (with Berkeley, UCLA and UW all being top 10 or top 15 public schools) and two top 30 universities in Stanford and UCLA. They won't take anyone from Texas unless it's UT and potentially someone else. They aren't going to settle for anything less than UT, which is a top 10 public university.

Okstate was offered an invite

ASU was offered an Invite and is a member (they weren't grandfathered in)
Your theory has many holes

Again no one is denying they want UT. But they are no where a lock for UT..the big 12 could announce a 15year GOR extension tomorrow in some backroom deal as a reason they didn't expand (who knows) and Texas could easily choose the big 10 or SEC

They won't settle as long as UT is a possibility.. But the minute that door closes for whatever reason. Houston becomes an extremely viable option for them

If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand

Yeah. The UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at Los Angeles. Not something like Boise State or the university of Houston. I'm sure you know the difference
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RE: Does Houston and Maybe BYU Have a Realistic Shot at Pac 12? Is now the time?
(10-18-2016 06:39 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 12:58 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pac 12 is comprised of state flagship universities (with Berkeley, UCLA and UW all being top 10 or top 15 public schools) and two top 30 universities in Stanford and UCLA. They won't take anyone from Texas unless it's UT and potentially someone else. They aren't going to settle for anything less than UT, which is a top 10 public university.

Okstate was offered an invite

ASU was offered an Invite and is a member (they weren't grandfathered in)
Your theory has many holes

Again no one is denying they want UT. But they are no where a lock for UT..the big 12 could announce a 15year GOR extension tomorrow in some backroom deal as a reason they didn't expand (who knows) and Texas could easily choose the big 10 or SEC

They won't settle as long as UT is a possibility.. But the minute that door closes for whatever reason. Houston becomes an extremely viable option for them

If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand

Yeah. The UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at Los Angeles. Not something like Boise State or the university of Houston. I'm sure you know the difference

so i was right the ENTIRE premise of your point is just the name ...literally just the name

i gave you too much credit thinking it was about being rationalized to a city like ucla

no, its simply just the name ..please stop your entire argument is foolish, zero people in any conference leadership will reject any member based on name ..NONE

the pac12 will not hesitate to take clemson (a college a named after a city) if location wasnt an issue

the entire premise of your argument doesnt even have any foot to stand on, what other city school was even an option for the pac12 that shows they arent into city school?? boise academically was a non starter and the cali location was a non starter for fresno and sdsu ...what legitimate other city school candidate have been over looked simply because of the name?????

the big 10 is more prestigious than the pac 12 ..the University of chicago was a member for a long time ..
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(10-18-2016 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 06:39 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  Okstate was offered an invite

ASU was offered an Invite and is a member (they weren't grandfathered in)
Your theory has many holes

Again no one is denying they want UT. But they are no where a lock for UT..the big 12 could announce a 15year GOR extension tomorrow in some backroom deal as a reason they didn't expand (who knows) and Texas could easily choose the big 10 or SEC

They won't settle as long as UT is a possibility.. But the minute that door closes for whatever reason. Houston becomes an extremely viable option for them

If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand

Yeah. The UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at Los Angeles. Not something like Boise State or the university of Houston. I'm sure you know the difference

so i was right the ENTIRE premise of your point is just the name ...literally just the name

i gave you too much credit thinking it was about being rationalized to a city like ucla

no, its simply just the name ..please stop your entire argument is foolish, zero people in any conference leadership will reject any member based on name ..NONE

the pac12 will not hesitate to take clemson (a college a named after a city) if location wasnt an issue

the entire premise of your argument doesnt even have any foot to stand on, what other city school was even an option for the pac12 that shows they arent into city school?? boise academically was a non starter and the cali location was a non starter for fresno and sdsu ...what legitimate other city school candidate have been over looked simply because of the name?????

the big 10 is more prestigious than the pac 12 ..the University of chicago was a member for a long time ..

Houston academically is a non starter for the PAC. Typically institutions that are part of the UC are fantastic academically. How do UT Austin and Houston stack up in research dollars? How about ucla and Houston. There is your answer.
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(10-18-2016 07:03 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 06:39 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand

Yeah. The UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at Los Angeles. Not something like Boise State or the university of Houston. I'm sure you know the difference

so i was right the ENTIRE premise of your point is just the name ...literally just the name

i gave you too much credit thinking it was about being rationalized to a city like ucla

no, its simply just the name ..please stop your entire argument is foolish, zero people in any conference leadership will reject any member based on name ..NONE

the pac12 will not hesitate to take clemson (a college a named after a city) if location wasnt an issue

the entire premise of your argument doesnt even have any foot to stand on, what other city school was even an option for the pac12 that shows they arent into city school?? boise academically was a non starter and the cali location was a non starter for fresno and sdsu ...what legitimate other city school candidate have been over looked simply because of the name?????

the big 10 is more prestigious than the pac 12 ..the University of chicago was a member for a long time ..

Houston academically is a non starter for the PAC. Typically institutions that are part of the UC are fantastic academically. How do UT Austin and Houston stack up in research dollars? How about ucla and Houston. There is your answer.

UH endowment > ASU endowment

Every college is divided by their research capability
look where UH is categorized
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ted_States

as far as research we are one of the better research universities in the nation
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PAC is going to sit tight until the situation with the Big 12 is resolved, one way or another. Staying at 12 gives them more leeway in letting the big fish (UT, OU, KU, in that order) write their own ticket if the conferences wind up in a competition to land the big Big 12 programs. In a vacuum the B1G is more attractive to a school than the PAC, but if the B1G tells Texas they have to come alone while the PAC offers to let them bring both Tech and Houston (or another Texas school) then the state legislature may force Texas west. Failing that, they could offer OU and Kansas the chance to come with their respective in-state partners. If they don't get anyone out of the Big 12 that they really want, the current G5 options are likely to still be there.
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(10-18-2016 01:25 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 12:58 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pac 12 is comprised of state flagship universities (with Berkeley, UCLA and UW all being top 10 or top 15 public schools) and two top 30 universities in Stanford and UCLA. They won't take anyone from Texas unless it's UT and potentially someone else. They aren't going to settle for anything less than UT, which is a top 10 public university.

Stanford barely cracks the top 30. 05-stirthepot

Ha, meant to write "two top 30 private universities in Stanford and USC"
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The PAC isn't going to take an AAC school. They can afford to be patient and pick off the Big12 in 8 years as they like. Why take Houston when you can have Texas? And the same goes for the ACC, SEC, and B1G. At some point, you have to invest in the relationship you're in.
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(10-18-2016 07:35 PM)Gaetano01 Wrote:  The PAC isn't going to take an AAC school. They can afford to be patient and pick off the Big12 in 8 years as they like. Why take Houston when you can have Texas? And the same goes for the ACC, SEC, and B1G. At some point, you have to invest in the relationship you're in.

As I said, the only real way I see it happening is if they let Texas bring two partners along, as it's the primary way to win what amounts to a bidding war against the SEC and B1G for the Longhorns. That and/or agreeing to let them keep the Longhorn Network, but propping up the PAC Network would be the biggest benefit from UT in the first place.
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(10-18-2016 07:14 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 07:03 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 06:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 06:39 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population

now you are making a debate that they wont let a school in based on the "name" of the school..no legitimate decision maker will deny a school based on its name

if the pac12 had a shot a clemson, theyd take them 100% without hestiation today "city school" or not

and the idea that theyd take CSU, when they already have colorado.. the idea that they even consider hawaii who is borderline bankrupt..shows you have no clue what you are talking about...
and kansas is aau and if they wanted to leave would go to the big10 when it has less travel expenses and more money

they publicly and openly say they want into texas, they arent shy in being desperate to get into texas.. they know the pac 12 network needs texas entry...if the big 12 solidifies itself and stabilizes houston without question becomes the #1 if they decide to expand

Yeah. The UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA at Los Angeles. Not something like Boise State or the university of Houston. I'm sure you know the difference

so i was right the ENTIRE premise of your point is just the name ...literally just the name

i gave you too much credit thinking it was about being rationalized to a city like ucla

no, its simply just the name ..please stop your entire argument is foolish, zero people in any conference leadership will reject any member based on name ..NONE

the pac12 will not hesitate to take clemson (a college a named after a city) if location wasnt an issue

the entire premise of your argument doesnt even have any foot to stand on, what other city school was even an option for the pac12 that shows they arent into city school?? boise academically was a non starter and the cali location was a non starter for fresno and sdsu ...what legitimate other city school candidate have been over looked simply because of the name?????

the big 10 is more prestigious than the pac 12 ..the University of chicago was a member for a long time ..

Houston academically is a non starter for the PAC. Typically institutions that are part of the UC are fantastic academically. How do UT Austin and Houston stack up in research dollars? How about ucla and Houston. There is your answer.

UH endowment > ASU endowment

Every college is divided by their research capability
look where UH is categorized
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ted_States

as far as research we are one of the better research universities in the nation

HAHAHA
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(10-18-2016 10:09 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  HAHAHA

no one ever said we were rice...but i guess you have alot of free time seeing how your team is pure trash, but whats new
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(10-18-2016 05:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 04:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 03:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(10-18-2016 12:58 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  Pac 12 is comprised of state flagship universities (with Berkeley, UCLA and UW all being top 10 or top 15 public schools) and two top 30 universities in Stanford and UCLA. They won't take anyone from Texas unless it's UT and potentially someone else. They aren't going to settle for anything less than UT, which is a top 10 public university.

Okstate was offered an invite

ASU was offered an Invite and is a member (they weren't grandfathered in)
Your theory has many holes

Again no one is denying they want UT. But they are no where a lock for UT..the big 12 could announce a 15year GOR extension tomorrow in some backroom deal as a reason they didn't expand (who knows) and Texas could easily choose the big 10 or SEC

They won't settle as long as UT is a possibility.. But the minute that door closes for whatever reason. Houston becomes an extremely viable option for them

If they don't get UT I could see Kansas or csu. Even Hawaii. PAC will not invite any city schools.

UCLA???????

I hate all the silly stipulations you guys are making up..

must be the state flagship...what about asu, usc and ucla
cant be a city school.. what about ucla

and ed please stop using illogical arguments...you tout state flagships alot for why MWC was better a while back...no one cares if you are the state flagship of a state with a 800k population


TV may care. Why else are the contracts so similar? All the eyes and exposure are in the east as you like to point out. And while bsu draws better tv numbers than AAC teams having land grants sure seems to help. Both conferance were in flux adding several new members.

Some info on the UC system

The University of California (UC) is a public university system in the U.S. state of California. Under the California Master Plan for Higher Education, the University of California is a part of the state's three-system public higher education plan, which also include the California State University system and the California Community Colleges System.

Governed by a semi-autonomous Board of Regents, the University of California has 10 campuses, a combined student body of 238,700 students, 19,700 faculty members, 135,900 staff members and over 1.6 million living alumni as of spring 2015.

The University of California's campuses have large numbers of distinguished faculty in almost every academic discipline and it is widely regarded as one of the top university systems in the world. As of 2016, UC faculty and researchers have won 62 Nobel Prizes.[4] UC campuses are perennially ranked highly by various publications. Most notably, UC Berkeley and UCLA are both ranked as Top 10 Universities worldwide by U.S. News & World Report and UC Berkeley, UCLA, and UC San Diego are respectively ranked 3rd, 12th, and 14th worldwide by the Academic Ranking of World Universities.
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(10-18-2016 07:35 PM)Gaetano01 Wrote:  The PAC isn't going to take an AAC school. They can afford to be patient and pick off the Big12 in 8 years as they like. Why take Houston when you can have Texas? And the same goes for the ACC, SEC, and B1G. At some point, you have to invest in the relationship you're in.

I understand your point, and agree other conferences are in no hurry to rush and will wait to see what's available, but there are plenty of arguments for why the PAC (or B1G, but probably not SEC) would NOT want UT. They bring a lot of baggage with them, in particular a network agreement that just about everyone agrees they'd have to ditch to seal the deal.

A lot of folks argue that conferences expand not for the strength of the school, but for the TV markets they bring. UT doesn't bring the Houston area like they used to. In fact, as much as the B12 tried to claim they "own" the Houston market, the fact is, this is becoming SEC country. Look at the numbers, hardly anyone in the Houston area pays that much attention to the PAC games because, unless it's a prime time matchup their games are usually late. UT going to the PAC alone simply won't outdraw the SEC in terms of TV viewership in Houston. If the PAC really wants to invest in Texas eyballs, there is no reason to not consider the viewers in the major metroplexes such as Houston or Dallas/Ft. Worth.

I find it quite silly that probably the biggest reasons (currently) for considering expansion - tv markets & recruiting - gets left out of the discussion when someone wants to argue UH would not be a good target for a particular conference.
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I did at first but now I realize the best thing in the long run is for the B12 to find away to last and extend the GOR soon. I don't believe it will happen until they get close to the end of the GOR or even if it will.

Let's remember the only reason expansion kicked off was because the ACC extension. B12 thought they could peel off a few ACC schools so did the B10. Now the target is the B12. If the B12 can convince UT/OU and the TV partners to extend that GOR I believe not just my school but several others really get a call up. P4 is a death wish. Any school that wants a call-up NEEDS the B12 to last.

If they last, I can see at least 5 schools getting called up.
PAC12 add 2, B12 add 2. ACC IMO could be the first to 16 adding 2 and I don't see ND coming on.
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