(10-18-2016 01:57 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:59 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:43 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:33 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 11:19 AM)MemphisTigers2016 Wrote:  Some of you people have 0 faith in our team. We're 5-1 for a reason.

And we were 8-0 when we played Navy last year at home before 50K & what, ranked 15th? It's not being negative to be concerned about defending against their scheme. Also, I have more faith in this staff & this team to stop Navy's offense. But the irony of the line is that we are playing at Navy who is ranked 24 & we're unranked with no votes in the AP, yet Memphis is favored with the line growing. Hard to figure.

Basically, Navy is ranked (in one poll) because they beat Houston. Before that their body of work was terrible. Win vs. Fordham. Lost to AFA and two last minutes wins versus UConn and Tulane.

And like I noted, a win is a win, but 23 of Navy's points came off turnovers in Houston territory or special team blunders. Add to that Houston threw a pick in Navy territory you have a perfect recipe for an upset. 3 to's to zero, a botched punt in the end zone, and a 80+ yard return.

If Memphis can avoid that nonsense (unlike last year when Memphis had 3 to's to Navy's zero) they should be in a good spot.

Fortunately, Memphis has good special teams, they are doing well in the takeaway department, and many of the players at least now have an idea of what to expect from Navy, so this bodes well.

I'll buy what you're selling. It's not like Navy bludgeoned Houston. They benefited from turnovers, and they played disciplined football (like they usually do).

Other than a W against Houston, their body of work isn't overly impressive (although the same can be said about Memphis). I could see the Tigers winning this game.

Whoever does win this game will certainly be gaining momentum and establishing themselves as top dogs in the conference.

Before you guys convince yourselves we will win going away, I can't help but relate watching UGA year after year - even in their dominate years struggle with GT who runs the triple option version closest to that of Navy. When UGA didn't get up 2 TDs & keep the offense rolling, inevitably GT would make it a nail biter in the 4th qtr with GT winning several times despite UGA having the clear edge in talent. Doesn't mean I'm negative, just concerned. And hoping we understand the defense employed is key - something that apparently wasn't understood last year.

Since Johnson took over, Georgia is 6-2 vs. Tech.

In the two years that Tech won (45-42 and 30-24 in ot) GT was ranked #18 and #16. UGA was #13 and #9.

In 2009, unranked UGA beat #9 GT.
In 2011, #13 UGA beat #25 GT by 14 points.
In 2012, #3 UGA thumped unranked GT by 32.

The other three UGA wins occurred when both teams were unranked.

Sure, the option is a problem, but UGA has done pretty well against it.

(10-18-2016 12:08 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:49 AM)tigergg Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:35 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:10 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  It's hard to say a 60 minute game that ended up 45-20 could have have turned out differently on one play, but back in the 2nd quarter of that game Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Lynch ran for a 1st down to the Navy 26, but the refs called a targeting penalty against Anthony Miller negating the 1st down and making it 3rd and 14. Memphis got back 13 of it on the next play but then failed to convert a 4th and 1. Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

If the targeting call is not made Memphis has the ball 1st and 10 at the Navy 26. Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

That really changes the complexion of the game, especially for a Navy team that generally requires time to score.

If Memphis can get out early, win the turnover game, and have good special teams play I'll be pretty confident in a win.

Our lines on both sides of the ball are just not as good this season

Maybe it's the talent or maybe it's the teaching and technique

I just don't see it improving this late in the season

Our DL and overall defense is much better than last season. We really miss the big LT who graduated; Tate is much more suited to RT but he's the best we have this year at LT. The JUCO OL hasn't panned out; it happens.

Our O-line is what is awful.. Our QB is running for his life constantly.. They seem very slow moving from side to side.. What I've noticed is Defensive ends going right around our linemen without even being touched.. Could be that we are young or it could also be Coaching..you would think they could at least slow the outside rush down a little but I haven't seen it done yet!!

It snowballs...the O line isn't good...now, the QB doesn't trust them and leaves the pocket at the first bad sign which exposes him and makes the line look worse. RF has to trust the OLine in order for them to improve...can he now? I dunno

Put a running back or Tight End over there to help the guy or at least make his rush lane that much wider giving the OLineman a head start to catch up.

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

But, I can dumb it down for you.

Memphis was winning by 3 (10-7) with the ball in Navy territory. Miller got a personal foul that negated a 1st down at the Navy 26. Memphis ended up not scoring.

The call was suspect at best. That call isn't made Memphis might score a TD and go up by 10 (17-7). Worst case, Jake hits a fg and Memphis goes up 6 (13-7). Alas, Memphis comes away empty and it remains 10-7 Memphis.

Instead, Navy goes down the field and scoresa TD. Then, Memphis then turns the ball over and Navy kicks a FG to end the half up 17-10 in a game where Memphis could have been up 17-7.

That personal foul was a huge call that may have set a lot of the rest of the fate of that game in motion.

(10-18-2016 02:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

Wouldn't it be if he wasn't intercepted we would either be down 13-14 or up 17-14 at half?

(10-18-2016 02:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

But, I can dumb it down for you.

Memphis was winning by 4 with the ball in Navy territory. Miller got a personal foul that negated a 1st down at the Navy 26. Memphis ended up not scoring.

The call was suspect at best. That call isn't made Memphis might score a TD and go up by 11. Worst case, Jake hits a fg and Memphis goes up 7.

Instead, Navy goes down the field and scores. Memphis then turns the ball over and Navy kicks a FG to end the half up 17-10 in a game where Memphis could have been up 21-10.

That personal foul was a huge call that may have set a lot of the rest of the fate of that game in motion.

No, it was plenty dumb enough before but thanks.

(10-18-2016 02:51 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

Wouldn't it be if he wasn't intercepted we would either be down 13-14 or up 17-14 at half?

Uh oh, you are going to make him angry.

(10-18-2016 03:15 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:51 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

Wouldn't it be if he wasn't intercepted we would either be down 13-14 or up 17-14 at half?

Uh oh, you are going to make him angry.

Yeah, the way it is presented here that would be the case.

There was a series (not include in IRFR's edit) that references a series where Memphis had the ball 1st and 10 on the Navy 26 that was jacked up by a suspect personal foul call.

In any event, the grander point was that a suspect call could have had a serious impact on a game despite the final score looking bad.

(10-18-2016 03:14 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:46 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 02:41 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:03 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Memphis was up 10-7 and had the ball in Navy territory.

Navy then took the ball down the field to go up 14-7 10.

Then at the end of the half (20 seconds) Lynch was intercepted at his own 20 and Navy kicked a FG go go up 17-10 at the half.

Chances are (at the least) Elliott kicks a FG and Memphis goes up 17-10, better case in Memphis scores and goes up 21-10.

The numbers in this post are more confusing than my daughter's common core math homework. I think I need a 10s chart or something.

It was just one typo and you edited a bunch of description in the op that was helpful to the post.

But, I can dumb it down for you.

Memphis was winning by 4 with the ball in Navy territory. Miller got a personal foul that negated a 1st down at the Navy 26. Memphis ended up not scoring.

The call was suspect at best. That call isn't made Memphis might score a TD and go up by 11. Worst case, Jake hits a fg and Memphis goes up 7.

Instead, Navy goes down the field and scores. Memphis then turns the ball over and Navy kicks a FG to end the half up 17-10 in a game where Memphis could have been up 21-10.

That personal foul was a huge call that may have set a lot of the rest of the fate of that game in motion.

No, it was plenty dumb enough before but thanks.

Tough crowd.

(10-18-2016 11:06 AM)tiger2000 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:58 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 10:49 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  Vegas sees something in Memphis for this game, but I'm not sure what it is. I'm guessing there's money coming in on Navy. If that's the case, it's interesting that it isn't affecting the line.

Maybe the public outside of Memphis sees something in our team that we don't.


But, I agree with you. I think most of the money has to be coming in on Navy, yet the line is not going Navy's way. Maybe Vegas sees something in our team that we don't see.

Vegas isn't there to see anything - they are there to make sure casinos make $ by having even $ on both sides

Even $ on both sides is not always the goal.

Vegas really doesn't care about poll rankings. The analytic rankings have had us solidly ahead of Navy for a few weeks.

Double tight ends

Run the ball

(10-19-2016 09:26 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  Double tight ends

Run the ball

Yep. Henderson, dorceus, Taylor. Repeat.

Stopping Navy is the question.

Those clock-eating, long drives kept our offense off the field for long stretches last year.

Combined with a few early stops by Navy's D that kept our offense out of rhythm and 1-2 big plays by their offense, that was all she wrote.