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RE: Republicans need safe spaces when it comes to media treatment.
(10-12-2016 03:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Forget all the minutiae. Let's talk about the eyeball test.

Does anyone on here really, truly believe that the media plays it straight down the middle? That there isn't a significant leftward bias? Seriously?

I think there is a great deal of perception bias on this issue. If you lean left, you tend to see media which lean left as centrist and unbiased, and form you frame of reference from there. IMO anybody who does not think that Fox leans hard right is nuts. Likewise, anybody who does not think that the rest of the MSM lean at least fairly hard left is also nuts.

I have issues where I lean right (taxation, balanced budget, military) and issues where I lean left (gay rights, marijuana, death penalty, abortion). I see the vast majority of the MSM biased against me on the issues where I lean right and toward me on issues where I lean left.

I think your perception is probably correct, but I've often wondered whether there is some objective "bias" level, or whether it has to do more with how we subjectively perceive the world. Two things come to mind:

1) the 1982 Stanford "hostile media" experiment showed two sets of groups (one self-selected as "pro-Israeli," the other self-selected as "pro-Palestinian") the same news clips on the conflict - carefully edited to be as neutral as possible. Unsurprisingly (?), both sides reported that the video was slanted in favor of the other side.

2) the psychological phenomenon of "trait-ascription bias," succinctly described by Wikipedia as "a tendency to describe one's own behaviour in terms of situational factors while preferring to describe another's behaviour by ascribing fixed dispositions to their personality." In other words, when I am in a crappy mood, I blame it on lack of sleep, or drinking too much, or some other temporary circumstance. When my boss is in a crappy mood, I'm much more likely to attribute it to an innate character flaw.

I suspect that both of these phenomena (and related ones) come in to play when we talk about media "bias." I suspect that when a voter believes a particular issue is important, they are more likely to 1) want more coverage of it, and see less coverage as "biased" (see Hillary's e-mails, Donald's misogyny), or 2) have a more nuanced understanding of the topic and see the media's two-minute summary of the issue as "false equivalence," or a biased oversimplification (see health care or immigration).

On the whole, I find this a more plausible explanation than any kind of broad left-wing/right-wing media conspiracy, but maybe that's my own bias talking... What do you think?
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RE: Republicans need safe spaces when it comes to media treatment.
(10-12-2016 03:45 PM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote:  On the whole, I find this a more plausible explanation than any kind of broad left-wing/right-wing media conspiracy, but maybe that's my own bias talking... What do you think?

I don't think there's any conspiracy at all.

I think there's a very simple explanation. The vast majority of all on-air media personalities lean left. So they instinctively put a leftward lean on things.

I think you identified one of the more subtle ways. They give more time to stories with a leftward slant.
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(10-12-2016 08:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 03:45 PM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote:  On the whole, I find this a more plausible explanation than any kind of broad left-wing/right-wing media conspiracy, but maybe that's my own bias talking... What do you think?

I don't think there's any conspiracy at all.

I think there's a very simple explanation. The vast majority of all on-air media personalities lean left. So they instinctively put a leftward lean on things.

I think you identified one of the more subtle ways. They give more time to stories with a leftward slant.

That's funny - there's about 90 percent of my post that apparently didn't show up on your computer. Maybe refresh the page?
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(10-12-2016 08:10 PM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 08:05 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 03:45 PM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote:  On the whole, I find this a more plausible explanation than any kind of broad left-wing/right-wing media conspiracy, but maybe that's my own bias talking... What do you think?

I don't think there's any conspiracy at all.

I think there's a very simple explanation. The vast majority of all on-air media personalities lean left. So they instinctively put a leftward lean on things.

I think you identified one of the more subtle ways. They give more time to stories with a leftward slant.

That's funny - there's about 90 percent of my post that apparently didn't show up on your computer. Maybe refresh the page?

No, whole post showed up, I just copied the part I commented on.
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Is there better commentary on this side of the wall? The last 4 posts are better reading then I get on the regular spin room. OldOwl had some interesting points.
10-26-2016 10:33 AM
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Don't know why people don't use this board. Few of us have tried. Some reason no one checks it and posts go unanswered.

I would prefer posting here but alas, I have to call all the knob slobbering partisan hacks out on the regular board and hope I don't step on the mods toes.
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(10-12-2016 03:45 PM)OldOwlNewHeel2 Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 03:24 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Forget all the minutiae. Let's talk about the eyeball test.

Does anyone on here really, truly believe that the media plays it straight down the middle? That there isn't a significant leftward bias? Seriously?

I think there is a great deal of perception bias on this issue. If you lean left, you tend to see media which lean left as centrist and unbiased, and form you frame of reference from there. IMO anybody who does not think that Fox leans hard right is nuts. Likewise, anybody who does not think that the rest of the MSM lean at least fairly hard left is also nuts.

I have issues where I lean right (taxation, balanced budget, military) and issues where I lean left (gay rights, marijuana, death penalty, abortion). I see the vast majority of the MSM biased against me on the issues where I lean right and toward me on issues where I lean left.

I think your perception is probably correct, but I've often wondered whether there is some objective "bias" level, or whether it has to do more with how we subjectively perceive the world. Two things come to mind:

1) the 1982 Stanford "hostile media" experiment showed two sets of groups (one self-selected as "pro-Israeli," the other self-selected as "pro-Palestinian") the same news clips on the conflict - carefully edited to be as neutral as possible. Unsurprisingly (?), both sides reported that the video was slanted in favor of the other side.

2) the psychological phenomenon of "trait-ascription bias," succinctly described by Wikipedia as "a tendency to describe one's own behaviour in terms of situational factors while preferring to describe another's behaviour by ascribing fixed dispositions to their personality." In other words, when I am in a crappy mood, I blame it on lack of sleep, or drinking too much, or some other temporary circumstance. When my boss is in a crappy mood, I'm much more likely to attribute it to an innate character flaw.

I suspect that both of these phenomena (and related ones) come in to play when we talk about media "bias." I suspect that when a voter believes a particular issue is important, they are more likely to 1) want more coverage of it, and see less coverage as "biased" (see Hillary's e-mails, Donald's misogyny), or 2) have a more nuanced understanding of the topic and see the media's two-minute summary of the issue as "false equivalence," or a biased oversimplification (see health care or immigration).

On the whole, I find this a more plausible explanation than any kind of broad left-wing/right-wing media conspiracy, but maybe that's my own bias talking... What do you think?

I think perhaps unwittingly you explained what I have noted. Following the Israeli-Palestinian effect you note, if our media played it down the middle, one would expect left wingers to complain of right wing bias and right wingers to complain of left wing bias. That's not what happens. Right wingers complain of left wing bias, left wingers insist that,except for Fox, the media plays it down the middle. Hmmm ...
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Safe spaces for Republicans:

- The Senate Chamber

- The Speaker's Office in the Capitol Rotunda

- The Oval Office
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(11-09-2016 10:05 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Safe spaces for Republicans:

- The Senate Chamber

- The Speaker's Office in the Capitol Rotunda

- The Oval Office

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(11-09-2016 10:05 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Safe spaces for Republicans:

- The Senate Chamber

- The Speaker's Office in the Capitol Rotunda

- The Oval Office
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(10-10-2016 01:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Whatever happened to the good old self resilient pick yourself up by the bootstraps GOP? I've never witnessed such bellyaching in all of my life. The moderators are 3-1. Booo hooo. It's not fair. The media won't let us win. waaaaahhhhh

You guys just keep on isolating yourselves.

Now go back to Infowars.

You Bunch of freaking cry babies.

Can't stand the heat go back to your safe spaces.

So who is bellyaching now?
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(10-10-2016 01:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Whatever happened to the good old self resilient pick yourself up by the bootstraps GOP? I've never witnessed such bellyaching in all of my life. The moderators are 3-1. Booo hooo. It's not fair. The media won't let us win. waaaaahhhhh

You guys just keep on isolating yourselves.

Now go back to Infowars.

You Bunch of freaking cry babies.

Can't stand the heat go back to your safe spaces.

Well, well, look who is blaming the media for her loss now. As for being "freaking cry babies", well we all know who wins that title now, don't we.

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