I know for a fact that BB powers are very concerned about what I wrote earlier: (call it negative or whatever you want to call it; and I really like Tubby and want him to succeed)


If I had to guess (based mostly on his recruiting history and results thus far), I would say it be 3 years before Tubby has us in tourney. Going to kill attendance and BB revenue will drop over $10M from last year to that 3rd year. Tubby is not a PR guy to put fans in the seat while losing.

Hope I'm wrong because while FB is holding our attention right now, wait until Jan/Feb when the wolves come after Tubby on this board. I like him. He had an upbringing similar to my Grand Parents and I really empathize with him and want to like him so much and see him go out with an elite 8 or better and call Memphis his home school.

(10-10-2016 10:09 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 09:26 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:41 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:32 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 04:12 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  You might but most who pay a lot if money to watch the Tigers play will not. At $3M a year and 3 Top 60 recruits handed to him and a Lionel Hollins type personality (not my words), Tubby will have a very short honeymoon.

I am realistic and expect a little over .500 season. But it was tempo KenPom was referring too. Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition. I've been following Tigers since 1966 and have never seen a Memphis fan base accept a true half court offense with a slow tempo.

Tubby may be forced into that style that due to lack of depth and talent outside the 3 I mentioned.

Hopefully, a couple of guys stepping up, better coaching and discipline will overcome that.

Ok, if kenpom's numbers mean a potential slower pace, or we score a little less, what effect would playing better defense than the ole' crap we had under boy blunder have on the potential to win as many if not more games than we did previous years?

Are kenpom's numbers only reflective of offensive production? I'd like to think our defense will be improved too and will have a beneficial impact on wins and losses. Looks like someone is going off using half fast information to arrive at their pre-determined answer that supports their obvious agenda.

You are obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. My post you JUST quoted:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

Why waste everyone's time by not taking a few extra minutes(?) in your case and read and try to comprehend the post you are quoting?

I do comprehend, but I must get a little blind to what you type because everything you post is a repeat of the same lament: gloom and doom on anything Tiger athletic-related because you don't care for the treatment you've received from the current AD, based on the wonderful treatment by your former insider, who is no longer employed there.

You don't like who they hired.
You don't like how they handle relationships.
You don't like when they don't acknowledge your input.

We get it - you don't like them.

Why does everything you post have to be tinged with this? Is is any wonder if I read your post I lose comprehension before I can finish? It is all based on the same premise.

WRONG!! Find all that. Not there. Also, don't blame me because your attention span doesn't last to the end of a post.

I'm not a cheerleader on a message board but I've put my money and cheers behind the teams at games for a long time. Have you?

If you don't like, put me on ignore.

But check your facts before you post. The above post had NOTHING to do with Admin. Then you come back with another error filled post. You are not capable of out your thoughts in writing. SMH.

I had been thinking of leaving this forum like so many other of the good posters have done. Probably should because there is only about 15 guys left that do 80% of posting but I've never been one anyone attempted to bully and I'm staying because I won't give into to the clique that has ran everyone else off with the anti Pastner threads no matter how the thread started. Had another one just a couple of days ago. You guys can't get over him yet you fawn over Tubby who has yet to coach a game, had a terrible recruiting year and said today "Memphis kids don't want to come to Memphis".

If Cal or Pastner had said that, it would have put this forum in an uproar for weeks.

Whatever.

You know, I don't really care enough to waste the time. My comprehension is fine. I can fully comprehend ish when I see it.

I too have been a Tigers fan a little while - since the mid 70s - and cheered for the teams through thick and thin. And have financially supported the university when I could. But that is neither here nor there.

And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today.

Carry on.

(10-10-2016 11:03 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 10:09 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 09:26 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:41 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:32 PM)former guest Wrote:  Ok, if kenpom's numbers mean a potential slower pace, or we score a little less, what effect would playing better defense than the ole' crap we had under boy blunder have on the potential to win as many if not more games than we did previous years?

Are kenpom's numbers only reflective of offensive production? I'd like to think our defense will be improved too and will have a beneficial impact on wins and losses. Looks like someone is going off using half fast information to arrive at their pre-determined answer that supports their obvious agenda.

You are obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. My post you JUST quoted:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

Why waste everyone's time by not taking a few extra minutes(?) in your case and read and try to comprehend the post you are quoting?

I do comprehend, but I must get a little blind to what you type because everything you post is a repeat of the same lament: gloom and doom on anything Tiger athletic-related because you don't care for the treatment you've received from the current AD, based on the wonderful treatment by your former insider, who is no longer employed there.

You don't like who they hired.
You don't like how they handle relationships.
You don't like when they don't acknowledge your input.

We get it - you don't like them.

Why does everything you post have to be tinged with this? Is is any wonder if I read your post I lose comprehension before I can finish? It is all based on the same premise.

WRONG!! Find all that. Not there. Also, don't blame me because your attention span doesn't last to the end of a post.

I'm not a cheerleader on a message board but I've put my money and cheers behind the teams at games for a long time. Have you?

If you don't like, put me on ignore.

But check your facts before you post. The above post had NOTHING to do with Admin. Then you come back with another error filled post. You are not capable of out your thoughts in writing. SMH.

I had been thinking of leaving this forum like so many other of the good posters have done. Probably should because there is only about 15 guys left that do 80% of posting but I've never been one anyone attempted to bully and I'm staying because I won't give into to the clique that has ran everyone else off with the anti Pastner threads no matter how the thread started. Had another one just a couple of days ago. You guys can't get over him yet you fawn over Tubby who has yet to coach a game, had a terrible recruiting year and said today "Memphis kids don't want to come to Memphis".

If Cal or Pastner had said that, it would have put this forum in an uproar for weeks.

Whatever.

You know, I don't really care enough to waste the time. My comprehension is fine. I can fully comprehend ish when I see it.

I too have been a Tigers fan a little while - since the mid 70s - and cheered for the teams through thick and thin. And have financially supported the university when I could. But that is neither here nor there.

And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today.

Carry on.

I totally disagree with Tubby's statement about Memphis kids and my GUESS is he knows he is not getting 2-3 of those potentially 5 or so very good/great players coming out in 2017. He may know he is just getting one or none but I think it was a factor in his statement.

(10-10-2016 11:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:03 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 10:09 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 09:26 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:41 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  You are obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. My post you JUST quoted:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

Why waste everyone's time by not taking a few extra minutes(?) in your case and read and try to comprehend the post you are quoting?

I do comprehend, but I must get a little blind to what you type because everything you post is a repeat of the same lament: gloom and doom on anything Tiger athletic-related because you don't care for the treatment you've received from the current AD, based on the wonderful treatment by your former insider, who is no longer employed there.

You don't like who they hired.
You don't like how they handle relationships.
You don't like when they don't acknowledge your input.

We get it - you don't like them.

Why does everything you post have to be tinged with this? Is is any wonder if I read your post I lose comprehension before I can finish? It is all based on the same premise.

WRONG!! Find all that. Not there. Also, don't blame me because your attention span doesn't last to the end of a post.

I'm not a cheerleader on a message board but I've put my money and cheers behind the teams at games for a long time. Have you?

If you don't like, put me on ignore.

But check your facts before you post. The above post had NOTHING to do with Admin. Then you come back with another error filled post. You are not capable of out your thoughts in writing. SMH.

I had been thinking of leaving this forum like so many other of the good posters have done. Probably should because there is only about 15 guys left that do 80% of posting but I've never been one anyone attempted to bully and I'm staying because I won't give into to the clique that has ran everyone else off with the anti Pastner threads no matter how the thread started. Had another one just a couple of days ago. You guys can't get over him yet you fawn over Tubby who has yet to coach a game, had a terrible recruiting year and said today "Memphis kids don't want to come to Memphis".

If Cal or Pastner had said that, it would have put this forum in an uproar for weeks.

Whatever.

You know, I don't really care enough to waste the time. My comprehension is fine. I can fully comprehend ish when I see it.

I too have been a Tigers fan a little while - since the mid 70s - and cheered for the teams through thick and thin. And have financially supported the university when I could. But that is neither here nor there.

And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today.

Carry on.

I totally disagree with Tubby's statement about Memphis kids and my GUESS is he knows he is not getting 2-3 of those potentially 5 or so very good/great players coming out in 2017. He may know he is just getting one or none but I think it was a factor in his statement.

Tubby said that as part of a trend related to AAU & prep schools, not directly & specifically about Memphis. Further we are talking about a hall of fame coach with a nat'l championship which should provide even the most negative with a hint to his capabilities as a coach. I saw him over here in GA make UGA relevant in BB - that is a real feat & he has won everywhere he's been at non-BB schools like MN & TTU. He took a job that had been run into the ground compared to the Calipari years. I'm not generally a patient guy but I will surely give Tubby time to install his approach to the game, coach the players up, recruit for his style of play - on a level recruiting field, before I take a position on him as the Memphis coach. With that said, I pulling for him & the team to do well.

(10-10-2016 10:09 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 09:26 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:41 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:32 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 04:12 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  You might but most who pay a lot if money to watch the Tigers play will not. At $3M a year and 3 Top 60 recruits handed to him and a Lionel Hollins type personality (not my words), Tubby will have a very short honeymoon.

I am realistic and expect a little over .500 season. But it was tempo KenPom was referring too. Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition. I've been following Tigers since 1966 and have never seen a Memphis fan base accept a true half court offense with a slow tempo.

Tubby may be forced into that style that due to lack of depth and talent outside the 3 I mentioned.

Hopefully, a couple of guys stepping up, better coaching and discipline will overcome that.

Ok, if kenpom's numbers mean a potential slower pace, or we score a little less, what effect would playing better defense than the ole' crap we had under boy blunder have on the potential to win as many if not more games than we did previous years?

Are kenpom's numbers only reflective of offensive production? I'd like to think our defense will be improved too and will have a beneficial impact on wins and losses. Looks like someone is going off using half fast information to arrive at their pre-determined answer that supports their obvious agenda.

You are obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. My post you JUST quoted:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

Why waste everyone's time by not taking a few extra minutes(?) in your case and read and try to comprehend the post you are quoting?

I do comprehend, but I must get a little blind to what you type because everything you post is a repeat of the same lament: gloom and doom on anything Tiger athletic-related because you don't care for the treatment you've received from the current AD, based on the wonderful treatment by your former insider, who is no longer employed there.

You don't like who they hired.
You don't like how they handle relationships.
You don't like when they don't acknowledge your input.

We get it - you don't like them.

Why does everything you post have to be tinged with this? Is is any wonder if I read your post I lose comprehension before I can finish? It is all based on the same premise.

WRONG!! Find all that. Not there. Also, don't blame me because your attention span doesn't last to the end of a post.

I'm not a cheerleader on a message board but I've put my money and cheers behind the teams at games for a long time. Have you?

If you don't like, put me on ignore.

But check your facts before you post. The above post had NOTHING to do with Admin. Then you come back with another error filled post. You are not capable of out your thoughts in writing. SMH.

I had been thinking of leaving this forum like so many other of the good posters have done. Probably should because there is only about 15 guys left that do 80% of posting but I've never been one anyone attempted to bully and I'm staying because I won't give into to the clique that has ran everyone else off with the anti Pastner threads no matter how the thread started. Had another one just a couple of days ago. You guys can't get over him yet you fawn over Tubby who has yet to coach a game, had a terrible recruiting year and said today "Memphis kids don't want to come to Memphis".

If Cal or Pastner had said that, it would have put this forum in an uproar for weeks.

He's much more accurate than you are.

'fawn' over Tubby...hmmm.

Some of us are still really glad our program got a new start.
Some of us remember the 'hopelessness' that was spiraling outta control
last year about this time.

Most of us have not yet begun to fawn; nor have we begun to fight.
#JPJonesTiger

The beauty of getting a new coach is you don't know how he will fit. Memphis is different from where he's been before. It's better.

There's almost a whole town that remembers and is ready to care about college BB.
Don't any of y'all even dare try to say you don't care either.






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(10-10-2016 12:39 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 12:27 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 12:25 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's not a "slow-down" team & Tubby isn't a slow-down coach. That prediction is simply averaging 6 pts less per game. Heck, we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change. Tubby has shown he runs when the break is available & works for a good shot when not. As I described in another thread this is very similar to the UVA approach where defense & offense efficiency is emphasized but the fast break isn't abandoned.

So you think averaging 6 ppg less is a GOOD THING? SMH

"we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change."

Who gives a **** if we win?

Scoring 6 less points a game in and of itself gives you less chance of winning games.

Very well could be they look at the pathetic recruiting and the losses and figure the team is simply not going to perform as well as last year.

(10-10-2016 11:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:03 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 10:09 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 09:26 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 08:41 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  You are obviously have trouble with reading comprehension. My post you JUST quoted:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

Why waste everyone's time by not taking a few extra minutes(?) in your case and read and try to comprehend the post you are quoting?

I do comprehend, but I must get a little blind to what you type because everything you post is a repeat of the same lament: gloom and doom on anything Tiger athletic-related because you don't care for the treatment you've received from the current AD, based on the wonderful treatment by your former insider, who is no longer employed there.

You don't like who they hired.
You don't like how they handle relationships.
You don't like when they don't acknowledge your input.

We get it - you don't like them.

Why does everything you post have to be tinged with this? Is is any wonder if I read your post I lose comprehension before I can finish? It is all based on the same premise.

WRONG!! Find all that. Not there. Also, don't blame me because your attention span doesn't last to the end of a post.

I'm not a cheerleader on a message board but I've put my money and cheers behind the teams at games for a long time. Have you?

If you don't like, put me on ignore.

But check your facts before you post. The above post had NOTHING to do with Admin. Then you come back with another error filled post. You are not capable of out your thoughts in writing. SMH.

I had been thinking of leaving this forum like so many other of the good posters have done. Probably should because there is only about 15 guys left that do 80% of posting but I've never been one anyone attempted to bully and I'm staying because I won't give into to the clique that has ran everyone else off with the anti Pastner threads no matter how the thread started. Had another one just a couple of days ago. You guys can't get over him yet you fawn over Tubby who has yet to coach a game, had a terrible recruiting year and said today "Memphis kids don't want to come to Memphis".

If Cal or Pastner had said that, it would have put this forum in an uproar for weeks.

Whatever.

You know, I don't really care enough to waste the time. My comprehension is fine. I can fully comprehend ish when I see it.

I too have been a Tigers fan a little while - since the mid 70s - and cheered for the teams through thick and thin. And have financially supported the university when I could. But that is neither here nor there.

And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today.

Carry on.

I totally disagree with Tubby's statement about Memphis kids and my GUESS is he knows he is not getting 2-3 of those potentially 5 or so very good/great players coming out in 2017. He may know he is just getting one or none but I think it was a factor in his statement.

Laying the groundwork to be able to rationalize his lack of recruiting in future years. Potentially great classes coming out of the metro area in the next three years. If he is unable to get a large portion of these recruits he has to find a way to excuse it.

You are not a guy I would want in a fox hole with me:

"And as for Tubby's statement about Memphis kids, I can believe it. I may wish it wasn't so, but that's the way things go today."

(10-10-2016 12:25 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's not a "slow-down" team & Tubby isn't a slow-down coach. That prediction is simply averaging 6 pts less per game. Heck, we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change. Tubby has shown he runs when the break is available & works for a good shot when not. As I described in another thread this is very similar to the UVA approach where defense & offense efficiency is emphasized but the fast break isn't abandoned.

So you think averaging 6 ppg less is a GOOD THING? SMH

"we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change."

Call it slow down, deliberate, whatever. That style will not suit the good personnel we have (it would the walk ons, recruits).

Evidently, you don't understand how to interpret a decrease in tempo. By itself, it means no greater or lesser chance at winning. It's just establishing the basis for the efficiency ratings. Does not translate to "6 ppg less".

It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

(10-11-2016 01:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

You referring to Tubby's interview yesterday?

Very lackluster interview to me. Said there would be no Memphis Madness, but they would probably have an open practice event kinda like the last Pastner one. They are thin on bodies. KJ still isn't 100%. Also to me sounded like he's already making excuses for not landing highly rated Memphis kids in the future. Said the Memphis brand doesn't mean much to local kids anymore, and he'll basically pull lower ranked kids from wherever and make due.

(10-11-2016 01:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 12:25 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's not a "slow-down" team & Tubby isn't a slow-down coach. That prediction is simply averaging 6 pts less per game. Heck, we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change. Tubby has shown he runs when the break is available & works for a good shot when not. As I described in another thread this is very similar to the UVA approach where defense & offense efficiency is emphasized but the fast break isn't abandoned.

So you think averaging 6 ppg less is a GOOD THING? SMH

"we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change."

Call it slow down, deliberate, whatever. That style will not suit the good personnel we have (it would the walk ons, recruits).

Evidently, you don't understand how to interpret a decrease in tempo. By itself, it means no greater or lesser chance at winning. It's just establishing the basis for the efficiency ratings. Does not translate to "6 ppg less".

Evidently, you pick and choose what you want to post; this is what i posted after that:

"Which means slower games and less points but hopefully the same for the opposition"

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Tubby is a coach. We gave a nice guy a chance to learn on the job.
It didn't work.

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Can't believe I'm being called a miserable as I was one of Cal's biggest supporters and played a role in RC contacting him. how do you think Memphis kids took Tubby's comments COMING FROM THE MEMPHIS COACH?


Again:
Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

How many 2-3 star recruits on KY, KS and NC's teams? Not like FB. Most (not all) produce.

We haven't signed 3 solid players.

I want a Top 15-20 program which ESPN rated us over 1962-2012 (18th or 19th I think) that plays their ass off and wins big. Could care less if they run an offense set every trip or every 3 trips for that matter. Most great athlethic teams do not. They get the rebound, make the outlet pass and try to beat the D down the floor-looking for open transition 3 or a layup by having numbers. If not, fall into a high/low pro style offense or, in some cases a offense designed for a specific opponent. But most really successful programs worry about what they do, not their opponenets.

But if we win BIG, I don't care either.

(10-11-2016 02:54 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:41 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 02:00 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 01:54 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It may take awhile to get Memphis kids to want to come to Memphis. The brand has been tarnished over the last several years. Look at all the transfers. Many of the players that didn't transfer talked publicly about it. We haven't made a sweet sixteen since Cal left. Many of these guys were young kids when we were competing at a very high level. They've been told by their handlers to look elsewhere.

Can't expect Tubby to right the ship overnight. He's already got a great 2017 class. I don't care if we get one Memphis kid, I just want good players.

There are some real miserables here. We got rid of Pastner at a huge discount and hired a hall of fame coach. I have no doubt he'll turn Memphis around. Not this year, but I think we'll make the tourney the year after. Tell me you think we'd have a chance for the NCAA with Pastner still here...

Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

He does not by any measurement have a great 2017 class. Team rankings are skewed because the schools that are recruiting well are waiting to sign their guys. KY has not signed a single recruit. We are projected according to a poster to end up in the 60ish range.

You're a miserable, face it!

Tell me about Pastner's recruiting the last couple of years? Where were all the Memphis guys? Yeah, he signed the Lawsons, but wouldn't have if he didn't give their father a job. How many stayed?

Tubby's got three solid players signed and there is still a lot of time left for 2017. He can also coach. Unlike many of you, I don't care about how many stars a dude has. Can he fit into the system and can we win with them?

Not even sure what the hell you want? I want a winning, competitive basketball team. I don't care if they score 6 points less or 20 less than last year. We've had back to back awful seasons where we couldn't even make the NIT. Tubby isn't a 10 year guy, but will hopefully put us on track to being a winning program. It should be a highly sought after position...

Again:
Name the 5 star recruits who LEFT Memphis since 1980. Keep in mind Cal probably could have got virtually all of them in his tenure but he could pick and choose.

How many 2-3 star recruits on KY, KS and NC's teams? Not like FB. Most (not all) produce.

I want a Top 15-20 program which ESPN rated us over 1962-2012 (18th or 19th I think) that plays their ass off and wins big. Could care less if they run an offense set every trip or every 3 trips for that matter. Most great athlethic teams do not. They get the rebound, make the outlet pass and try to beat the D down the floor-looking for open transition 3 or a layup by having numbers. If they can't, I prefer a high/low pro style offense.

But if we win BIG, I don't care either.

FYI, we aren't Kentucky, Kansas, or NC. I know some of you think we are, but we just aren't. We are a top 20 program that hasn't done anything nationally since Cal left.

The local handlers have moved past Memphis. The kids hardly remember the last time we had a really good team and a serious tourney run. They remember Memphis kids leaving the program. They hear stories from those that stayed.

Pastner lost the ability to sign Memphis kids. This isn't going to be corrected over night. Tubby's a proven winner. I think he'll do very well here...

(10-11-2016 01:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 12:25 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 11:59 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  That's not a "slow-down" team & Tubby isn't a slow-down coach. That prediction is simply averaging 6 pts less per game. Heck, we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change. Tubby has shown he runs when the break is available & works for a good shot when not. As I described in another thread this is very similar to the UVA approach where defense & offense efficiency is emphasized but the fast break isn't abandoned.

So you think averaging 6 ppg less is a GOOD THING? SMH

"we could accomplish that just showing some organization on the floor this year for a change."

Call it slow down, deliberate, whatever. That style will not suit the good personnel we have (it would the walk ons, recruits).

Evidently, you don't understand how to interpret a decrease in tempo. By itself, it means no greater or lesser chance at winning. It's just establishing the basis for the efficiency ratings. Does not translate to "6 ppg less".

Simple logic tells you a slower pace mean fewer possessions. Unless you increase your PPP by a larger % than what you slowed your pace then you score fewer points.