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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(10-06-2016 08:48 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 01:38 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Actually, I would say there IS a chance that he is a walkon. He hasn't been announced the way other commits have been.

If so, can you imagine that we have progressed to the point that we have a 3* OL willing to be a walkon!?!! We have had classes were we fought to get over four or five 3* players and now we have potential walkons 04-jawdrop

No way he is a walkon. He is rated the third best recruit in the class and no way a 3* player turns down a scholarship to walkon here. Only way that happens is if a SEC school over signs in a class and forces a 3* to walkon here.

I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.
02-03-2017 11:40 AM
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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(02-03-2017 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-06-2016 08:48 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 01:38 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Actually, I would say there IS a chance that he is a walkon. He hasn't been announced the way other commits have been.

If so, can you imagine that we have progressed to the point that we have a 3* OL willing to be a walkon!?!! We have had classes were we fought to get over four or five 3* players and now we have potential walkons 04-jawdrop

No way he is a walkon. He is rated the third best recruit in the class and no way a 3* player turns down a scholarship to walkon here. Only way that happens is if a SEC school over signs in a class and forces a 3* to walkon here.

I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.

They are academic casualties. Every year we have 3* players who have problems with academics and have to go a different route to be eligible for class. Some never ever show up on campus. Miller and Cross were unranked gems. They walkedon because most likely they didn't have FBS offers and knew they were good enough to play FBS ball. You said we are at point where 3* players are walking on at Memphis. You are trying to act like 3* players are kicking the doors to walk on and play football at Memphis. That's just misleading. We had 5 3* recruits who didn't sign and will probably end up at a JUCO or doing something to become academically eligible to play ball. You honestly think a 3* from out of town would give up healthy FBS offers just to walkon at Memphis?
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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(02-04-2017 04:02 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-06-2016 08:48 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 01:38 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Actually, I would say there IS a chance that he is a walkon. He hasn't been announced the way other commits have been.

If so, can you imagine that we have progressed to the point that we have a 3* OL willing to be a walkon!?!! We have had classes were we fought to get over four or five 3* players and now we have potential walkons 04-jawdrop

No way he is a walkon. He is rated the third best recruit in the class and no way a 3* player turns down a scholarship to walkon here. Only way that happens is if a SEC school over signs in a class and forces a 3* to walkon here.

I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.

They are academic casualties. Every year we have 3* players who have problems with academics and have to go a different route to be eligible for class. Some never ever show up on campus. Miller and Cross were unranked gems. They walkedon because most likely they didn't have FBS offers and knew they were good enough to play FBS ball. You said we are at point where 3* players are walking on at Memphis. You are trying to act like 3* players are kicking the doors to walk on and play football at Memphis. That's just misleading. We had 5 3* recruits who didn't sign and will probably end up at a JUCO or doing something to become academically eligible to play ball. You honestly think a 3* from out of town would give up healthy FBS offers just to walkon at Memphis?

Yes!

When it's Memphis vs many other G5 schools... absolutely!!!

Phil Mayhew turned down 3 scholarships to walk on here. Both of our 3* grayshirts from last season, weren't only because of grades and both had other offers.
02-04-2017 09:43 PM
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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(02-04-2017 09:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 04:02 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-06-2016 08:48 AM)Crazier Wrote:  
(09-28-2016 01:38 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Actually, I would say there IS a chance that he is a walkon. He hasn't been announced the way other commits have been.

If so, can you imagine that we have progressed to the point that we have a 3* OL willing to be a walkon!?!! We have had classes were we fought to get over four or five 3* players and now we have potential walkons 04-jawdrop

No way he is a walkon. He is rated the third best recruit in the class and no way a 3* player turns down a scholarship to walkon here. Only way that happens is if a SEC school over signs in a class and forces a 3* to walkon here.

I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.

They are academic casualties. Every year we have 3* players who have problems with academics and have to go a different route to be eligible for class. Some never ever show up on campus. Miller and Cross were unranked gems. They walkedon because most likely they didn't have FBS offers and knew they were good enough to play FBS ball. You said we are at point where 3* players are walking on at Memphis. You are trying to act like 3* players are kicking the doors to walk on and play football at Memphis. That's just misleading. We had 5 3* recruits who didn't sign and will probably end up at a JUCO or doing something to become academically eligible to play ball. You honestly think a 3* from out of town would give up healthy FBS offers just to walkon at Memphis?

Yes!

When it's Memphis vs many other G5 schools... absolutely!!!

Phil Mayhew turned down 3 scholarships to walk on here. Both of our 3* grayshirts from last season, weren't only because of grades and both had other offers.

Bad examples. Phil Mayhew wasn't even ranked. Who are these 3* grayshirts you speak of from last year?
02-04-2017 11:47 PM
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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(02-04-2017 11:47 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 09:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 04:02 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(10-06-2016 08:48 AM)Crazier Wrote:  No way he is a walkon. He is rated the third best recruit in the class and no way a 3* player turns down a scholarship to walkon here. Only way that happens is if a SEC school over signs in a class and forces a 3* to walkon here.

I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.

They are academic casualties. Every year we have 3* players who have problems with academics and have to go a different route to be eligible for class. Some never ever show up on campus. Miller and Cross were unranked gems. They walkedon because most likely they didn't have FBS offers and knew they were good enough to play FBS ball. You said we are at point where 3* players are walking on at Memphis. You are trying to act like 3* players are kicking the doors to walk on and play football at Memphis. That's just misleading. We had 5 3* recruits who didn't sign and will probably end up at a JUCO or doing something to become academically eligible to play ball. You honestly think a 3* from out of town would give up healthy FBS offers just to walkon at Memphis?

Yes!

When it's Memphis vs many other G5 schools... absolutely!!!

Phil Mayhew turned down 3 scholarships to walk on here. Both of our 3* grayshirts from last season, weren't only because of grades and both had other offers.

Bad examples. Phil Mayhew wasn't even ranked. Who are these 3* grayshirts you speak of from last year?
I only know of:
DB Sanchez Blake
WR Coye Fairman
02-05-2017 11:19 AM
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RE: John "Matt" Dale
(02-05-2017 11:19 AM)NDTiger Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 11:47 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 09:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  
(02-04-2017 04:02 PM)Crazier Wrote:  
(02-03-2017 11:40 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I think you're confused about the traditional "walk-on" and how the grayshirt process works. Grayshirts are technically walk-ons for at least 1 semester - sometimes 2 or 3 semesters, while they get their academics in order or the school frees up a scholly. They pay their own way. They are around the team, but I don't think they can practice. I believe there are some loopholes that allow them things like certain team meetings and such. You will certainly see 3-star kids grayshirt for various reasons.

Heck, don't forget that Alan Cross and Anthony Miller came to the school as walk-ons. Cross was a preferred walk on. Miller may have been a grayshirt.

They are academic casualties. Every year we have 3* players who have problems with academics and have to go a different route to be eligible for class. Some never ever show up on campus. Miller and Cross were unranked gems. They walkedon because most likely they didn't have FBS offers and knew they were good enough to play FBS ball. You said we are at point where 3* players are walking on at Memphis. You are trying to act like 3* players are kicking the doors to walk on and play football at Memphis. That's just misleading. We had 5 3* recruits who didn't sign and will probably end up at a JUCO or doing something to become academically eligible to play ball. You honestly think a 3* from out of town would give up healthy FBS offers just to walkon at Memphis?

Yes!

When it's Memphis vs many other G5 schools... absolutely!!!

Phil Mayhew turned down 3 scholarships to walk on here. Both of our 3* grayshirts from last season, weren't only because of grades and both had other offers.

Bad examples. Phil Mayhew wasn't even ranked. Who are these 3* grayshirts you speak of from last year?
I only know of:
DB Sanchez Blake
WR Coye Fairman

Thanks for the info. This part is for Tigernole79. I know Sanchez Blake grayshirted to nurse some injuries. Not sure about the other guy. That's still not evidence to show that we are at a point where we have 3* walkons. Especially since we have a couple of 2* players on scholarship. Technically grayshirts are just delayed enrollment. They will get a scholarship when they enroll.
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02-05-2017 12:31 PM
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Agreed, but that doesn't mean that this player isn't a walkon. Whether it be a grey, blue, PWO or whatever other designation you want to put on him.

Just because he beat me to the punch, doesn't mean anything.

Blake wasn't totally because of injuries, because he COULD have signed and been available. He agreed to greyshirt because it keeps even another year longer of availability rather than signing and redshirting.
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