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Gonna be four 16 team leagues

At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

That and start paying the athlete's above board. That way you get the better players.

(09-23-2016 11:03 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

That and start paying the athlete's above board. That way you get the better players.

Good ideas in boycotting and paying players. But after about 125-150schools, many depend on a lot of revenue from NCAA tournament-which we are contractually obligated for many years-and some from $500K to $1M payouts for playing at a Big 10 or SEC school.

So you would have to get the middle teams (never thought I would say that about Memphis) many of which are in major metro areas and branch off. You would have virtually EVERY major city covered. NYC, San Diego, Houston, Philly, Boston, Orlando, Tampa, Memphis etc. Over the years you might see this arrangement surpass that of Clique of 64 in revenue streams. May take 20 years but potentially there.

Theoretically I agree with the OP. If a line is drawn with 64 teams on one side and the rest of us on the other, then make them honor the line as well. Why give them a chance to fill out their schedules with us not-haves? Same goes for basketball. If they split away and have their own field of 64, then let them play a 30 game schedule with only power 4 teams.

College sports is now a big business. Apply the laws to it that major businesses my abide. Use the Sherman anti trust act against them and bust them up. All you need is a government leader which is not beholding to or has ties to the big five conferences. We just may have that in November.

(09-23-2016 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:03 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

That and start paying the athlete's above board. That way you get the better players.

Good ideas in boycotting and paying players. But after about 125-150schools, many depend on a lot of revenue from NCAA tournament-which we are contractually obligated for many years-and some from $500K to $1M payouts for playing at a Big 10 or SEC school.

So you would have to get the middle teams (never thought I would say that about Memphis) many of which are in major metro areas and branch off. You would have virtually EVERY major city covered. NYC, San Diego, Houston, Philly, Boston, Orlando, Tampa, Memphis etc. Over the years you might see this arrangement surpass that of Clique of 64 in revenue streams. May take 20 years but potentially there.

The idea that a football division headlined by Memphis, Boise State, San Diego State, Central Florida, and Temple is going to ever be more desirable for TV or fans than that of a division headlined by Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State and Texas is ridiculous.

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(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

Average attendance would be lucky to be 20,000 in that scenario. We would be better off dropping football and begging the Big East to take our basketball team. However, that scenario is at least 7+ years off which gives us a lot of time to improve our athletic and academic status for a chance to slip in.

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If system goes to P4, then our only real hope is that the Big12 implodes and a few of its teams don't make the cut. As it stands now, the P5 already has exactly 64 teams. Somebody in right now would have to be out for us, UC, UCONN, UH, UCF, or USF to be in.

We wouldn't have to "boycott" playing the P4. Part of their bylaws will be to only play other P4 schools(this is becoming the mandate already). Unfortunately, it won't be the 64, most worthy athletics schools, it will be the surviving 4 P conferences with their current members & the remnants of the conference not surviving (likely the B12). So that means the SEC adds two, the ACC adds one school (since ND is already a member for all sports except FB), the B1G adds 2 schools & eventually the PAC adds 4 schools.

So that is 9 schools to be added. Texas, TTU, TCU & Baylor (or UH depending upon political clout) likely go PAC to form a southern div with UA, ASU, USC & UCLA. B1G adds KU & KSU (or ISU) & they realign divisions, ACC adds UConn with ND remaining independent but agreeing to play the requisite number of ACC schools to make it work & the SEC adds OU & OK St. & the SEC realigns divisions. Then WE NEVER GET THE CHANCE/OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY ANY OF THOSE SCHOOLS AGAIN - and we are joined by the unlucky left out of the final realignment.

If we can't make the grade with the B12 or ACC before this consolidation occurs, we will be left out of the club. Think of this like membership at Memphis Country Club. The club facilities & golf course while very nice are not necessarily the best in the Memphis area but their membership comes from alliances long ago formed which are being passed down to future generations. Doesn't matter that some folks from lesser backgrounds may have surpassed the financial strength of the current members, the current members just do not want the associations with such upstarts even though they do accept token membership from among the "unwashed" to provide the appearance of selection by objective measure. They do this for convenience & appearance sake so that they can claim fairness & non-discrimination.

Now back to FB, once consolidation is established, they can then begin work on undermining the NCAA BB tourney (which is in the conceptual stage already).

But I don't think it has to play out this way if some of the unwashed can consistently perform better than the elites & they have political ties willing to take (at least threaten) the legal action to prevent such a lockout. But it will have to include some national politicians willing to take up the banner such as Orin Hatch who single-handedly got Utah in the PAC with the threat of legal action against the NCAA. And most important it will take some of the unwashed being consistently better than some prominent members of the "club"

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

The P5 is making a decision to play each other as their out of conference game so us refusing to play doesn't help anythiing

(09-23-2016 10:03 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Gonna be four 16 team leagues

Yep this has been in the works for a long time. At least a decade. Jackie Sherrill mentioned this on Lapides show back in the day. As soon as OU and Texas get a decent offer they are gone and the Big12 becomes BigEast 2.0

I guess they will still have Kansas basketball

(09-24-2016 12:07 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:03 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

That and start paying the athlete's above board. That way you get the better players.

Good ideas in boycotting and paying players. But after about 125-150schools, many depend on a lot of revenue from NCAA tournament-which we are contractually obligated for many years-and some from $500K to $1M payouts for playing at a Big 10 or SEC school.

So you would have to get the middle teams (never thought I would say that about Memphis) many of which are in major metro areas and branch off. You would have virtually EVERY major city covered. NYC, San Diego, Houston, Philly, Boston, Orlando, Tampa, Memphis etc. Over the years you might see this arrangement surpass that of Clique of 64 in revenue streams. May take 20 years but potentially there.

The idea that a football division headlined by Memphis, Boise State, San Diego State, Central Florida, and Temple is going to ever be more desirable for TV or fans than that of a division headlined by Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State and Texas is ridiculous.

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If you went to Ole Miss football stadium in early '80s and someone told you it would be a nice facility in 35 years, you would have said ridiculous-things change fast. P5 leagues are going to take a huge hit next re up on TV contracts as non sports fans (80% of subscribers) stop subsidizing these ridiculous contracts.

The vast majority of colleges/universities are on the outside looking in. We need to break this thing apart in court and in Congress. Dealing directly with the "haves" is a guaranteed losing battle. These are not-for-profit institutions of higher learning, right? Their existence depends upon government subsidies, unlike the NFL. No state schools and not very many private universities could even exist without federal, state and local funding. Changing laws is the only way to break this thing up. All participating schools should share relatively equally in the TV revenue. Ticket sales, local advertising, donations, concessions and apparel sales will still give the big boys more income than the little boys, but the TV revenue is so out-of-wack that simply spreading the wealth there would make everything relatively fair.

When I was a kid, Sunday morning TV was the Grambling Highlights and the Tennessee Highlight shows, back to back and then Superman. I didn't have a clue one team mattered and the other team didn't, I thought they were both equally important.

It is absolutely wrong the way this thing has evolved over the last 50 years.

(09-23-2016 10:03 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Gonna be four 16 team leagues

I've been saying this from day one.

(09-24-2016 11:03 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 12:07 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:15 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 11:03 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 10:30 PM)Pastner4Prez Wrote:  At the end of the day I think there will be 4 conferences with 16 teams based on everything we've seen come from the Big12 expansion CLUSTER

As I've said before the ONLY chance for inclusion is to refuse to play current P5 colleges in their 4 out of conference games.

Break away, create our own national championship title playoff, and agree to boycott playing these greedy suckers just so they can fill their stands & make more $$$

Let them have their own 64 team playoff and yes it will be "The Major Playoff", however there is still major TV money deals within the remaining 50% of D1 colleges.

It's time to break away and have our own national championship playoff where each college is playing on an even playing field.

The idea of Memphis, UC, Boise, etc beating Alabama, Ohio State, etc in a national championship title game isn't realistic

Let these greedy bastards have their title game but don't help them out by giving them non conference games

When you have 50% of D1 teams getting a $60M check a year and the other 50% getting $8M the disparity is simply too vast.

Either let all D1 teams in or let's break off and create our own national championship title game.

Our side of the 50% would go into every season with enthusiasm knowing we have a legit chance to win a national championship.

Otherwise it will never happen

That and start paying the athlete's above board. That way you get the better players.

Good ideas in boycotting and paying players. But after about 125-150schools, many depend on a lot of revenue from NCAA tournament-which we are contractually obligated for many years-and some from $500K to $1M payouts for playing at a Big 10 or SEC school.

So you would have to get the middle teams (never thought I would say that about Memphis) many of which are in major metro areas and branch off. You would have virtually EVERY major city covered. NYC, San Diego, Houston, Philly, Boston, Orlando, Tampa, Memphis etc. Over the years you might see this arrangement surpass that of Clique of 64 in revenue streams. May take 20 years but potentially there.

The idea that a football division headlined by Memphis, Boise State, San Diego State, Central Florida, and Temple is going to ever be more desirable for TV or fans than that of a division headlined by Alabama, Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Florida State and Texas is ridiculous.

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If you went to Ole Miss football stadium in early '80s and someone told you it would be a nice facility in 35 years, you would have said ridiculous-things change fast. P5 leagues are going to take a huge hit next re up on TV contracts as non sports fans (80% of subscribers) stop subsidizing these ridiculous contracts.

It's not really that nice now except for that one endzone

Basically an overgrown high school stadium with that one area for the bigwigs

(09-24-2016 11:25 AM)cmt Wrote:  The vast majority of colleges/universities are on the outside looking in. We need to break this thing apart in court and in Congress. Dealing directly with the "haves" is a guaranteed losing battle. These are not-for-profit institutions of higher learning, right? Their existence depends upon government subsidies, unlike the NFL. No state schools and not very many private universities could even exist without federal, state and local funding. Changing laws is the only way to break this thing up. All participating schools should share relatively equally in the TV revenue. Ticket sales, local advertising, donations, concessions and apparel sales will still give the big boys more income than the little boys, but the TV revenue is so out-of-wack that simply spreading the wealth there would make everything relatively fair.

When I was a kid, Sunday morning TV was the Grambling Highlights and the Tennessee Highlight shows, back to back and then Superman. I didn't have a clue one team mattered and the other team didn't, I thought they were both equally important.

It is absolutely wrong the way this thing has evolved over the last 50 years.

Yep ............. and it should be exposed which politicians are accepting free tickets for "Luxury Boxes" and for how long.

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(09-24-2016 11:25 AM)cmt Wrote:  The vast majority of colleges/universities are on the outside looking in. We need to break this thing apart in court and in Congress. Dealing directly with the "haves" is a guaranteed losing battle. These are not-for-profit institutions of higher learning, right? Their existence depends upon government subsidies, unlike the NFL. No state schools and not very many private universities could even exist without federal, state and local funding. Changing laws is the only way to break this thing up. All participating schools should share relatively equally in the TV revenue. Ticket sales, local advertising, donations, concessions and apparel sales will still give the big boys more income than the little boys, but the TV revenue is so out-of-wack that simply spreading the wealth there would make everything relatively fair.

When I was a kid, Sunday morning TV was the Grambling Highlights and the Tennessee Highlight shows, back to back and then Superman. I didn't have a clue one team mattered and the other team didn't, I thought they were both equally important.

It is absolutely wrong the way this thing has evolved over the last 50 years.

Don't remember the Grambling show but Johnny Majors was must see tv. Next to Dana Kirk the best coaches show in history. Johnny would pour himself a scotch and yell at the film lol

(09-24-2016 11:25 AM)cmt Wrote:  The vast majority of colleges/universities are on the outside looking in. We need to break this thing apart in court and in Congress. Dealing directly with the "haves" is a guaranteed losing battle. These are not-for-profit institutions of higher learning, right? Their existence depends upon government subsidies, unlike the NFL. No state schools and not very many private universities could even exist without federal, state and local funding. Changing laws is the only way to break this thing up. All participating schools should share relatively equally in the TV revenue. Ticket sales, local advertising, donations, concessions and apparel sales will still give the big boys more income than the little boys, but the TV revenue is so out-of-wack that simply spreading the wealth there would make everything relatively fair.

When I was a kid, Sunday morning TV was the Grambling Highlights and the Tennessee Highlight shows, back to back and then Superman. I didn't have a clue one team mattered and the other team didn't, I thought they were both equally important.

It is absolutely wrong the way this thing has evolved over the last 50 years.

I don't disagree with you, but if some equitable sharing of monies was seriously considered, you'd hear the "haves" yell "socialism" in a heartbeat.