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RE: Will thiis regional conference idea ever gain traction?
(09-19-2016 01:24 PM)T2003 Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:06 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  1 or 2 schools might not make it.
I agree, some schools wouldn't make it.

I am not sure about going Independent (football only), esp with these monster conferences in the future, that means less slots for "OOC" games available. However, going Independent is still better than FCS football...and if you are at least somewhat successful, it might be worth it, nobody would associate you with a poor conference.

I would schedule 4 or 5 road games vs SEC/ACC every year (helps recruiting - kids want to play these teams - and generates lots of cash (1M per game), chances of upsets are higher because you play more of these teams and might catch an SEC team during an off year every other year or so, actually, you are almost unofficially 50% SEC if you do this) and I would schedule 2 FCS opponents (I wouldn't care about bowl eligibilty during the first few years, most bowls are overrated anyways). Scheduling the remaining games would be tough though, you also need home games.

You would have to schedule 4 home FBS (that means 8 H&H games) plus an FCS so at most you could schedule 3 P5 money games as an independent.
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(09-19-2016 12:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As long as Coastal is still in a conference with App and Georgia Southern

But I'm also very happy with Coastal's current Sun Belt cohorts.

I actually like the 2 divisions that are setup.

But if there is a split / reorg - please, please make sure Coastal goes with App State and Georgia Southern.
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(09-19-2016 01:41 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As long as Coastal is still in a conference with App and Georgia Southern

But I'm also very happy with Coastal's current Sun Belt cohorts.

I actually like the 2 divisions that are setup.

But if there is a split / reorg - please, please make sure Coastal goes with App State and Georgia Southern.

If it were up to me, I'd take GS, App, Coastal, GAST, ODU, Marshall, MTSU, Troy, USA, USM, WKU, and UAB or FAU in a conference.
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(09-19-2016 01:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:41 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As long as Coastal is still in a conference with App and Georgia Southern

But I'm also very happy with Coastal's current Sun Belt cohorts.

I actually like the 2 divisions that are setup.

But if there is a split / reorg - please, please make sure Coastal goes with App State and Georgia Southern.

If it were up to me, I'd take GS, App, Coastal, GAST, ODU, Marshall, and WKU in a division.


Remove Georgia State and add Troy and I'm on board.
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(09-19-2016 01:51 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:41 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As long as Coastal is still in a conference with App and Georgia Southern

But I'm also very happy with Coastal's current Sun Belt cohorts.

I actually like the 2 divisions that are setup.

But if there is a split / reorg - please, please make sure Coastal goes with App State and Georgia Southern.

If it were up to me, I'd take GS, App, Coastal, GAST, ODU, Marshall, and WKU in a division.


Remove Georgia State and add Troy and I'm on board.

Troy and USA would be in the other division of the conference.
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(09-19-2016 01:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Jeez, we have years of instability, and then just as its settling down, we volunteer for more instability.

Can we just play football and try to grow a conference for a few years?

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That's the reality of two football conferences spread out over three time zones.
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(09-19-2016 02:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Jeez, we have years of instability, and then just as its settling down, we volunteer for more instability.

Can we just play football and try to grow a conference for a few years?

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That's the reality of two football conferences spread out over three time zones.
Idaho and NMSU are going away. Is tgere some gigantic advantage to being in the same time zone?
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What is going to happens in the next 3-5 years will be to top 30-40 G5 programs based off of media value not market will form a scheduling alliance and package themselves to one or more media carriers. They will then split the revenue amongst themselves. Basically trimming FBS football again to get numbers down to just shy of 100. If you don't make the cut then you will essentially starve as an FBS program and be relegated back to FCS status.
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Regional, based on the two conferences would make the west (assuming 12)
TXST
UNT
Rice
UTSA
UTEP
stAte
LTU
ULM
Louisiana
USM
USA
If we added NMSU then remove the furthest east of the above. (USA?)

However, I don't see the Louisiana schools going for it and I doubt all of the Texas schools would be particularly happy all being in one conference.
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(09-19-2016 01:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:41 PM)rokamortis Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:27 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  As long as Coastal is still in a conference with App and Georgia Southern

But I'm also very happy with Coastal's current Sun Belt cohorts.

I actually like the 2 divisions that are setup.

But if there is a split / reorg - please, please make sure Coastal goes with App State and Georgia Southern.

If it were up to me, I'd take GS, App, Coastal, GAST, ODU, Marshall, MTSU, Troy, USA, USM, WKU, and UAB or FAU in a conference.

Just group them by time zone.
Since there are more in the Central zone you'd need to put a couple of the more eastern ones in the East. Either Troy and UAB or MTSU and WKU
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(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.
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(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.
There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.
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(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.
There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.
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(09-19-2016 02:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 02:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 01:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Jeez, we have years of instability, and then just as its settling down, we volunteer for more instability.

Can we just play football and try to grow a conference for a few years?

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That's the reality of two football conferences spread out over three time zones.
Idaho and NMSU are going away. Is tgere some gigantic advantage to being in the same time zone?

Once the TV money has dried up and you need to sell tickets to support the program it becomes a huge advantage. I think you agree it is far more likely we get more paying customers from Marshall, Charlotte, WKU & MTSU than we will A State, ULL, ULM & Texas Sate. It's all about increasing the Benjamins!
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(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.
There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.
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(09-19-2016 12:47 PM)GSUhooligan Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 11:30 AM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I have seen App s AD and GS s AD mention in the last couple weeks this idea of CUSA and the Sun Belt reorganizing regionally. Is there any real chance of this?
Is this from an article? Links?

I really hate to agree with someone from the southside, but... links?
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(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.
There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Guess that's what you get for being in the middle of nowhere! Just kidding. It's a totally different situation with App and the closeness of other schools. It's nothing personal.
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I'd rather go to App or GS than UNT any day (ok, if I could afford it).
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(09-19-2016 01:06 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Look. The SBC presidents are trying to save everyone in the coming shakeup. It's a nice, good thing that they are doing. They want the 2 leagues to just trade schools. It is doomed to fail.

Unless the MWC raids CUSA West, you will see a group of schools from CUSA West and SBC "West" come together to make a new league or join the MVC.

The remaining CUSA schools will cherry pick what is left in the SBC.

1 or 2 schools might not make it.

Who you bringing along to the MVC? Because that would be almost be perfect situation in the world on the Missouri State end.
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(09-19-2016 02:08 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  What is going to happens in the next 3-5 years will be to top 30-40 G5 programs based off of media value not market will form a scheduling alliance and package themselves to one or more media carriers. They will then split the revenue amongst themselves. Basically trimming FBS football again to get numbers down to just shy of 100. If you don't make the cut then you will essentially starve as an FBS program and be relegated back to FCS status.

Not that it couldn't happen, but the obstacles to this scenario seem huge. It would basically come down to the G5s who are forming the alliance trying to set themselves apart from the schools they feel are holding them back in the media. For most of those schools, that will involve giving up on good relationships with a number of members of their own conference (with a lot of uncertainty hanging in the balance), which is a really big step to take.

The only schools that don't have to take this risk are in the AAC (which is short on weak links), and they've already packaged themselves together, so they have nothing to gain. Honestly, it seems like the only presidents who would really be up for this are from a few schools in the Belt and CUSA (and maybe the MAC) who are really unhappy with the conference where they've landed.
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