Got this off of the expansion board. Hopefully this is because Aresco is planning a raid on the MWC and the MWC is about to raid CUSA. Hopefully



Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching


Regardless of what happens in one Power Five conference, one Group of Five league could be expanding.

Air Force and Colorado State of the Mountain West have reportedly made the cut as the Big 12 looks to expand by at least two teams and possibly four. That conference could make their expansion decision as early as the next month.

In the meantime, the MWC won’t be sitting idly by waiting to be poached as commissioner Craig Thompson confirmed Saturday that his conference will look to expand independent of what the Big 12 does. And, more to the point, Thompson doesn’t hide the fact that the league would like a presence in the state of Texas.

“I can say this — and I said it at our [football] media days. We have a lot of people saying, ‘If there’s an opportunity to be in your league, we’re interested.’ So there are numbers there,” Thompson said, without getting into any specifics. “I’ve challenged our membership to think about expansion — with or without losing [current] members. Do we look east? Do we look at the state of Texas, for example?

“So that’s probably going to be something we have to confront this year.”

The Salt Lake Tribune mentions current Conference USA members North Texas, Rice, UTEP and UT-San Antonio as possibilities from the state of Texas. The Sun Belt’s Arkansas State is also considered a viable option.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-poaching/

Interesting. I hope if the AAC has a potential list these are not on it.

MWC would be smart to take UTEP and UTSA.

UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

(09-04-2016 10:05 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  MWC would be smart to take UTEP and UTSA.

UTEP would be an awful pick. Little population there and the area is a generally poor recruiting ground. UTSA, Texas St, Rice, and N Texas are the best options that lie in good tv markets while also offering rich recruiting grounds. I'd grab 2 of Texas St, UTSA, and Rice.

Just add the 4 best from TX that's not in the AAC.


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I read this and figured UH, or SMU (if the B12 doesn't grab them)

(09-04-2016 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

While true, that of course, was when the MW and CUSA had similar payouts and similar tV coverage. That's not the case any longer. It's not even close anymore with CUSA dropping to a $200K payout with most of their games televised on the scattered spotty coverage provided by ASN. Also, I think UTSA would have been the only Texas school in the MW back when they were offered. If the MW offers a pair of Texas schools---UTSA would be looking at a total package that is much more attractive than thier current conference situation (especially if 1 or 2 of CUSA's best schools move to the AAC as replacements).

I don't see why would anyone be interested in the mwc when Boise isn't sharing their cake.

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I don't see why would anyone be interested in the mwc when Boise isn't sharing their cake.

Maybe UH/SMU combo could happen if you sat down with Boise and renegotiated the deal...it's clear they aren't the same program now that their coach is gone and UH/SMU would make for a dynamite additions combo

(09-04-2016 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

Why? MWC much stronger than CUSA, not buying this.

(09-04-2016 10:20 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

Why? MWC much stronger than CUSA, not buying this.

outside of Boise, who is that strong in MWC?

(09-04-2016 10:20 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:19 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  I don't see why would anyone be interested in the mwc when Boise isn't sharing their cake.

Maybe UH/SMU combo could happen if you sat down with Boise and renegotiated the deal...it's clear they aren't the same program now that their coach is gone and UH/SMU would make for a dynamite additions combo

No thanks... We like the AAC better.

Doubt UTSA, Rice, N. Texas, or UTEP leave the CUSA. Exit cost is:

two years of limbo and roughly $5.6 million in exit fees.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...7762a.html

(09-04-2016 10:30 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Doubt UTSA, Rice, N. Texas, or UTEP leave the CUSA. Exit cost is:

two years of limbo and roughly $5.6 million in exit fees.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...7762a.html

Interestingly, per the article the rule says you sacrifice all revenue allocated during the exit period and defines the period as 14 months. I'd say a good lawyer would argue a schools would only owe 1.17 years of revenue as an exit fee (since only 14 months of revenue would be allocated during the exit period). I would be curious if that's the correct language defining the fee or if the new verbiage flatly states the exit fee is equal to two years of revenue. It could make a big difference.

As for AAC schools going to the MW---the 10 million dollar AAC exit fee makes the economics of the move fairly unattractive considering the payout in the MW is actually lower than the AAC. Unless the economics change, the only thing that makes any sense is MW teams moving to the AAC as the AAC pays more and the MW exit fee is much smaller.

That said, TCU's jump to the MW from CUSA was pretty questionable from a financial standpoint---but it sure worked out well for them. So, who knows?

(09-04-2016 10:24 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:20 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

Why? MWC much stronger than CUSA, not buying this.

outside of Boise, who is that strong in MWC?

Outside of ........, who is that strong in CUSA?

I doubt any Texas-based program would leave an existing FBS league to join the Mtn. unless the Mtn. adopted an equal-shares policy of media/TV revenue. Is Boise willing to give up its current advantage in exchange for road games at El Paso and San Antonio?

(09-04-2016 10:24 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:20 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:08 AM)techdawg88 Wrote:  UTSA already turned down MWC once when they went to CUSA

Why? MWC much stronger than CUSA, not buying this.

outside of Boise, who is that strong in MWC?

The C-USA is an absolute mess right now. I could see any of the Texas schools accepting an invite. The C-USA just flat out over-expanded in the last round. Right now there isn't much of a difference between the sunbelt and C-USA. MWC is much more prestigious with a few household names.

(09-04-2016 09:58 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Got this off of the expansion board. Hopefully this is because Aresco is planning a raid on the MWC and the MWC is about to raid CUSA. Hopefully



Mountain West to consider expansion with or without Big 12 poaching


Regardless of what happens in one Power Five conference, one Group of Five league could be expanding.

Air Force and Colorado State of the Mountain West have reportedly made the cut as the Big 12 looks to expand by at least two teams and possibly four. That conference could make their expansion decision as early as the next month.

In the meantime, the MWC won’t be sitting idly by waiting to be poached as commissioner Craig Thompson confirmed Saturday that his conference will look to expand independent of what the Big 12 does. And, more to the point, Thompson doesn’t hide the fact that the league would like a presence in the state of Texas.

“I can say this — and I said it at our [football] media days. We have a lot of people saying, ‘If there’s an opportunity to be in your league, we’re interested.’ So there are numbers there,” Thompson said, without getting into any specifics. “I’ve challenged our membership to think about expansion — with or without losing [current] members. Do we look east? Do we look at the state of Texas, for example?

“So that’s probably going to be something we have to confront this year.”

The Salt Lake Tribune mentions current Conference USA members North Texas, Rice, UTEP and UT-San Antonio as possibilities from the state of Texas. The Sun Belt’s Arkansas State is also considered a viable option.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-poaching/

so when the American gets poached. we will poach the craptastic CUSA and then the MWC will also poach CUSA.... consider this fair waring from the Mountain West to CUSA. Who would they add? UTEP is obvious. I am not sure Rice would join if offered though.

(09-04-2016 10:47 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-04-2016 10:30 AM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Doubt UTSA, Rice, N. Texas, or UTEP leave the CUSA. Exit cost is:

two years of limbo and roughly $5.6 million in exit fees.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...7762a.html

Interestingly, per the article the rule says you sacrifice all revenue allocated during the exit period and defines the period as 14 months. I'd say a good lawyer would argue a schools would only owe 1.17 years of revenue as an exit fee (since only 14 months of revenue would be allocated during the exit period). I would be curious if that's the correct language defining the fee or if the new verbiage flatly states the exit fee is equal to two years of revenue. It could make a big difference.

As for AAC schools going to the MW---the 10 million dollar AAC exit fee makes the economics of the move fairly unattractive considering the payout in the MW is actually lower than the AAC. Unless the economics change, the only thing that makes any sense is MW teams moving to the AAC as the AAC pays more and the MW exit fee is much smaller.

That said, TCU's jump to the MW from CUSA was pretty questionable from a financial standpoint---but it sure worked out well for them. So, who knows?

I don't think that is the correct number. All revenue is including Tourney credits, TV. So if a CUSA wants to leave they are not leaving $5 million, it'll be more like $1 million.
There is no way CUSA schools got $5 million each in revenue...otherwise no other CUSA schools would be looking elsewhere.