You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

(and it's not just at BYU - see also Utah St. (22), Utah (20), Hawaii (7), Arizona St. (4), UNLV (3), Stanford (3), Boise St. (3), San Jose St. (3), Arizona (2), Oregon St. (2), Rice (2), New Mexico (1), Wyoming (1))

Why do you think LDS athletes like Steve Young, Luke Staley, and Jabari Parker chose not to serve a mission?

If it really were such an advantage, other schools would encourage players to sign up for the peace corps or service opportunities or Christian mission trips to extend their football playing careers. Doesn't happen.

A mission is a tremendous sacrifice, especially for collegiate athletes.

^ Thanks for the outline on what they go through. Regardless of one's views can't argue with the dedication shown by the participants.

If the QB is 26, when did his college career begin? From my understanding the governing body allows a player 4 years of eligibility over any 5 year period, the clock starting his first semester of college.

(08-24-2016 03:00 PM)derek78 Wrote:  ^ Thanks for the outline on what they go through. Regardless of one's views can't argue with the dedication shown by the participants.

If the QB is 26, when did his college career begin? From my understanding the governing body allows a player 4 years of eligibility over any 5 year period, the clock starting his first semester of college.

Hill committed to Stanford in 2009, but served his mission first. Since Stanford does not except mid year students he accepted a scholarship offer from BYU and started school in Jan 2012
Freshman year (2012), season ending injury in the 6th game (Utah St)
Sophomore year (2013), played all 13 games (2938 passing and 1344 rushing yards)
Junior year (2014), season end injury in the 5th game (by the same Utah St player)
Senior year (2015), season end injury in the 1st game (Nebraska)
Granted medical hardship (in 2015) getting another season.

(08-24-2016 03:15 PM)E-zone Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:00 PM)derek78 Wrote:  ^ Thanks for the outline on what they go through. Regardless of one's views can't argue with the dedication shown by the participants.

If the QB is 26, when did his college career begin? From my understanding the governing body allows a player 4 years of eligibility over any 5 year period, the clock starting his first semester of college.

Hill committed to Stanford in 2009, but served his mission first. Since Stanford does not except mid year students he accepted a scholarship offer from BYU and started school in Jan 2012
Freshman year (2012), season ending injury in the 6th game (Utah St)
Sophomore year (2013), played all 13 games (2938 passing and 1344 rushing yards)
Junior year (2014), season end injury in the 5th game (by the same Utah St player)
Senior year (2015), season end injury in the 1st game (Nebraska)
Granted medical hardship (in 2015) getting another season.

Guy isn't going to cut it in the pro's with that kind of injury history.

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

....all so you can come back and punch some poor, unsuspecting opponent receiver in the balls when he won't let go of the football.

(08-23-2016 08:00 PM)HellOfAHullabaloo Wrote:  Do not pollute the Big12 with them.

So was Chris Weinke and he won a Heisman.

(08-23-2016 08:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-23-2016 08:05 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  So, OSU had one too

OSU had one.
One.
That's 1.
Over the past decade BYU has had NEARLY 1000 players 25 years old plus playing in sports. Not one or even two. Freaking 1,000!!!!!!!!!
Cheers!

(08-24-2016 10:25 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 10:12 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:04 AM)shere khan Wrote:  You are terribly naive.

Why is that?

If you really believe byu football players are doing strictly mission work for 2 years prior to joining the team. Do you really think highly recruited player is gonna bicycle around frogfart nebraska for 2 years without touching a football.

Dude?

Never said they were not doing that, I was just saying any school if they wanted to could do the same thing.

How exactly could a secular school fund a camp to develop players for 2 years without the ncaa giving them the death penalty.

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Is research truly that hard?

smh

(08-24-2016 03:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

....all so you can come back and punch some poor, unsuspecting opponent receiver in the balls when he won't let go of the football.

At least he took the ball from another player, didn't steal it after a bowl loss like this Memphis State thug did:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ion-123015

Thanks for being a voice of reason on this thread. There is NO advantage to a returning missionary athletically, just in age. If Nick Saban or Urban Meyer thought there was an advantage in this they would be doing it already.

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

(and it's not just at BYU - see also Utah St. (22), Utah (20), Hawaii (7), Arizona St. (4), UNLV (3), Stanford (3), Boise St. (3), San Jose St. (3), Arizona (2), Oregon St. (2), Rice (2), New Mexico (1), Wyoming (1))

Why do you think LDS athletes like Steve Young, Luke Staley, and Jabari Parker chose not to serve a mission?

If it really were such an advantage, other schools would encourage players to sign up for the peace corps or service opportunities or Christian mission trips to extend their football playing careers. Doesn't happen.

A mission is a tremendous sacrifice, especially for collegiate athletes.

Thanks for being a voice of reason on this thread. There is NO advantage to a returning missionary athletically, just in age. If Nick Saban or Urban Meyer thought there was an advantage in this they would be doing it already.

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

(and it's not just at BYU - see also Utah St. (22), Utah (20), Hawaii (7), Arizona St. (4), UNLV (3), Stanford (3), Boise St. (3), San Jose St. (3), Arizona (2), Oregon St. (2), Rice (2), New Mexico (1), Wyoming (1))

Why do you think LDS athletes like Steve Young, Luke Staley, and Jabari Parker chose not to serve a mission?

If it really were such an advantage, other schools would encourage players to sign up for the peace corps or service opportunities or Christian mission trips to extend their football playing careers. Doesn't happen.

A mission is a tremendous sacrifice, especially for collegiate athletes.

(08-24-2016 03:57 PM)BYUTonyK Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

....all so you can come back and punch some poor, unsuspecting opponent receiver in the balls when he won't let go of the football.

At least he took the ball from another player, didn't steal it after a bowl loss like this Memphis State thug did:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ion-123015

Yeah, Regis Ball is/was a knuckle head. Our leadership reacted thusly:

Ball, a senior, has been "removed" from the Memphis football team, the school announced Wednesday evening.

Quote:"I want to personally apologize to Jay Jacobs, Gus Malzahn, the Auburn football team, its fans and the Birmingham Bowl for the highly-inappropriate actions of one of my student-athletes regarding a game ball at the end of Wednesday's game," Memphis athletic director Tom Bowen said in a statement. "This player's actions are totally unacceptable. He has been immediately removed from the team and we will continue to move swiftly in addressing what occurred.

Meanwhile, regarding YOUR team member:


BYU player won't be suspended for blatantly punching Boise State player right in the balls


And we are not the ones setting ourselves up on a pedestal as a religious institution full of virtue... You are.

Dirtiest team in all of D1.

(08-24-2016 03:15 PM)E-zone Wrote:  Hill committed to Stanford in 2009, but served his mission first. Since Stanford does not except mid year students he accepted a scholarship offer from BYU and started school in Jan 2012
Freshman year (2012), season ending injury in the 6th game (Utah St)
Sophomore year (2013), played all 13 games (2938 passing and 1344 rushing yards)
Junior year (2014), season end injury in the 5th game (by the same Utah St player)
Senior year (2015), season end injury in the 1st game (Nebraska)
Granted medical hardship (in 2015) getting another season.

Tough breaks for this QB. Will be rooting for his success this year.

(08-24-2016 04:12 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:57 PM)BYUTonyK Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

....all so you can come back and punch some poor, unsuspecting opponent receiver in the balls when he won't let go of the football.

At least he took the ball from another player, didn't steal it after a bowl loss like this Memphis State thug did:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ion-123015

Yeah, Regis Ball is/was a knuckle head. Our leadership reacted thusly:

Ball, a senior, has been "removed" from the Memphis football team, the school announced Wednesday evening.

Quote:"I want to personally apologize to Jay Jacobs, Gus Malzahn, the Auburn football team, its fans and the Birmingham Bowl for the highly-inappropriate actions of one of my student-athletes regarding a game ball at the end of Wednesday's game," Memphis athletic director Tom Bowen said in a statement. "This player's actions are totally unacceptable. He has been immediately removed from the team and we will continue to move swiftly in addressing what occurred.

Meanwhile, regarding YOUR team member:


BYU player won't be suspended for blatantly punching Boise State player right in the balls


And we are not the ones setting ourselves up on a pedestal as a religious institution full of virtue... You are.

Dirtiest team in all of D1.

But naw, they wouldnt cheat otherwise.

Just the other day a 4* byu running back knocked on my door.

I stand corrected.

(08-24-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:04 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 06:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Why is everyone complaining the rules apply to everyone. If you want to do the same just recruit some Mormon players or convert your players into Mormons and send them on mission trips.

You are terribly naive.

Why is that?

If you really believe byu football players are doing strictly mission work for 2 years prior to joining the team. Do you really think highly recruited player is gonna bicycle around frogfart nebraska for 2 years without touching a football.

Dude?

I don't think BYU gets many highly recruited players. I think they do a good job developing players. The two year mission helps some, but as mentioned above - that is open to all schools. We had a few in the past.

(08-24-2016 04:12 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:57 PM)BYUTonyK Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 03:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 02:24 PM)YNot Wrote:  You guys are funny. Do you realize what LDS missions consist of?

The vast majority of LDS returned missionaries, including those that hope to play FBS football, don't even touch a weight or sniff a weight room for two years.

You go to bed at 10:30pm and wake up at 6:30 am every day. Before you leave the apartment at 9am (and are out serving and proselytizing until 9:30pm that night), you study the scriptures and the language and perhaps get 15-20 minutes of exercise that consists of pushups, situps and "lifting" using books, cans, and furniture. If you have a companion that will go along (you must be together 24-7), you might get 15-20 minutes of running in 2 or 3 times per week at a slow pace.

And, you generally cook most of your own meals on a limited budget and get fed occasionally by local members. Cold cereal. Toast. Beans and rice. No thought of any sort of college athlete level nutrition program. And, you are highly likely to contract some local disease that causes you to lose 10-15 lbs or more.

....all so you can come back and punch some poor, unsuspecting opponent receiver in the balls when he won't let go of the football.

At least he took the ball from another player, didn't steal it after a bowl loss like this Memphis State thug did:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ion-123015

Yeah, Regis Ball is/was a knuckle head. Our leadership reacted thusly:

Ball, a senior, has been "removed" from the Memphis football team, the school announced Wednesday evening.

Quote:"I want to personally apologize to Jay Jacobs, Gus Malzahn, the Auburn football team, its fans and the Birmingham Bowl for the highly-inappropriate actions of one of my student-athletes regarding a game ball at the end of Wednesday's game," Memphis athletic director Tom Bowen said in a statement. "This player's actions are totally unacceptable. He has been immediately removed from the team and we will continue to move swiftly in addressing what occurred.

Meanwhile, regarding YOUR team member:


BYU player won't be suspended for blatantly punching Boise State player right in the balls


And we are not the ones setting ourselves up on a pedestal as a religious institution full of virtue... You are.

Dirtiest team in all of D1.

but muh magic underpants.

(08-24-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:04 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 06:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Why is everyone complaining the rules apply to everyone. If you want to do the same just recruit some Mormon players or convert your players into Mormons and send them on mission trips.

You are terribly naive.

Why is that?

If you really believe byu football players are doing strictly mission work for 2 years prior to joining the team. Do you really think highly recruited player is gonna bicycle around frogfart nebraska for 2 years without touching a football.

Dude?

Shere,

I normally find your posts very funny but this is not one of them. I'm not quite sure you understand what it really means to live a mission lifestyle. I have only done short term missions so not even I can fully grasp the commitment.

But it's not just riding around on a bike...Your entire life is devoted to the mission during that time.

I really hope that Hill stays healthy the entire year. He is a great talent to watch.

(08-24-2016 09:30 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 07:04 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-24-2016 06:59 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Why is everyone complaining the rules apply to everyone. If you want to do the same just recruit some Mormon players or convert your players into Mormons and send them on mission trips.

You are terribly naive.

Why is that?

If you really believe byu football players are doing strictly mission work for 2 years prior to joining the team. Do you really think highly recruited player is gonna bicycle around frogfart nebraska for 2 years without touching a football.

Dude?

So you think BYU has some secret training facility in Peru or Bolivia? This is going to be a shock but the world is NOT all football.

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