(08-05-2016 11:10 AM)panama Wrote: Speaking of which they sure got TV Flash right. What a great show.
I couldn't get into it, but my wife did. I think it was because I had just finished Season 2 Daredevil and now watching a show where Barry Allen gets his powers and suit in the first episode. Opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of pacing.
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Seems like WB is making these movies by committee. The one thing they should steal from Disney / Marvel is to back off and let someone who respects the material coordinate it and hire the right people to write, direct, and act. Create a DC focused production house and leave the WB suites out of it. Focus on substance over style. Nolan was a great choice for the Dark Knight Trilogy. The problem with Zach Snyder is he is a great visual filmmaker but he focuses on that over the story.
I think they made a great choice in getting Affleck to take over the Batman franchise though.
(08-05-2016 09:26 AM)EagleNationRising Wrote: I watched it last night in a packed theater. My wife andbI thought it was great! No, it's not the movie of ten-year, but it's very entertaining and worth the movie ticket. I'd love to see a movie with the Joker and Harley Quinn as the main villains. Jared Leto might be a better joker than Heath Ledger. This is definitely going to be a critics vs movie goers type movie. Movie goers have it at like 4.5 stars right now. The critics can suck it.
Really?
I mean... It's subject to opinion of course, but if he gets a movie where he is the dedicated antagonist, I wouldn't be shocked at all. He did well in this movie considering his limited agenda.
I'm not big on DC and this might be insensitive but I honestly don't think that Heath Ledger's Joker would be such big deal if he hadn't died so soon after. I mean he's nothing like the Joker I remember the from the Batman cartoon when I was little in the 90's. Then again, that kind of character would be out of place in the super serious Nolan Batmans.
First let me say I'm pleasantly surprised that fellow college football fans can also appreciate comic books and sci-if fans. Practically the whole coaching staff of my local HS football team was at this movie last night I think, but I digress. It's fun to have kindred spirits.
If I'm 100% honest here and with myself, no, I am not satisfied with the DCEU so far. I don't hate it, I've enjoyed it, but they had 3 amazing opportunities to score 6 and settled for field goals. Honestly, why was it nearly every fan on the internet could come up with interesting plot twists (Scott Eastwood as Dick Grayson personal hunch and favorite), but nothing remotely close has been given IMO.
I still recommend seeing this movie to spite the critics but honestly it is fun. It's just not the slam dunk I thought I could be. As for the previous two movies, I agree with you Panama on almost all your assessments. You don't introduce the general audiences to Batman and Superman with the ultimate finale. Bad call.
(08-05-2016 12:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote: Seems like WB is making these movies by committee. The one thing they should steal from Disney / Marvel is to back off and let someone who respects the material coordinate it and hire the right people to write, direct, and act. Create a DC focused production house and leave the WB suites out of it. Focus on substance over style. Nolan was a great choice for the Dark Knight Trilogy. The problem with Zach Snyder is he is a great visual filmmaker but he focuses on that over the story.
I think they made a great choice in getting Affleck to take over the Batman franchise though.
The Batfleck and Willshot castings had fans eating their own faces. It was like Event Horizon on the comic book message boards.
And they both turned out great.
I've liked the DC movies just as much as the Marvel movies.
But I also dig film-noire and westerns.
I absolutely get why a lot of people who love Marvel movies hate the darker cluttered DC movies.
My favorite superhero movie is still The Watchmen.
I could watch The Comedian and Rorschach in a rom-com.
(08-05-2016 11:10 AM)panama Wrote: Speaking of which they sure got TV Flash right. What a great show.
I couldn't get into it, but my wife did. I think it was because I had just finished Season 2 Daredevil and now watching a show where Barry Allen gets his powers and suit in the first episode. Opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of pacing.
Cannot wait to see what they do with The Flashpoint Paradox.
(08-05-2016 11:10 AM)panama Wrote: Speaking of which they sure got TV Flash right. What a great show.
I couldn't get into it, but my wife did. I think it was because I had just finished Season 2 Daredevil and now watching a show where Barry Allen gets his powers and suit in the first episode. Opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of pacing.
Cannot wait to see what they do with The Flashpoint Paradox.
No doubt.
I like the Flash a lot more than Arrow and I can't explain why.
Flash and Jessica Jones have been my two favorite superhero "TV" shows.
(08-05-2016 12:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote: Seems like WB is making these movies by committee. The one thing they should steal from Disney / Marvel is to back off and let someone who respects the material coordinate it and hire the right people to write, direct, and act. Create a DC focused production house and leave the WB suites out of it. Focus on substance over style. Nolan was a great choice for the Dark Knight Trilogy. The problem with Zach Snyder is he is a great visual filmmaker but he focuses on that over the story.
I think they made a great choice in getting Affleck to take over the Batman franchise though.
The Batfleck and Willshot castings had fans eating their own faces. It was like Event Horizon on the comic book message boards.
And they both turned out great.
I've liked the DC movies just as much as the Marvel movies.
But I also dig film-noire and westerns.
I absolutely get why a lot of people who love Marvel movies hate the darker cluttered DC movies.
My favorite superhero movie is still The Watchmen.
I could watch The Comedian and Rorschach in a rom-com.
Oddly enough I've read the Watchmen (I don't read comics very often the past 30 years) but haven't seen the movie
I did read Preacher but I ditched the series after the first episode though I still have it on DVR and may try again.
(08-05-2016 12:50 PM)rokamortis Wrote: Seems like WB is making these movies by committee. The one thing they should steal from Disney / Marvel is to back off and let someone who respects the material coordinate it and hire the right people to write, direct, and act. Create a DC focused production house and leave the WB suites out of it. Focus on substance over style. Nolan was a great choice for the Dark Knight Trilogy. The problem with Zach Snyder is he is a great visual filmmaker but he focuses on that over the story.
I think they made a great choice in getting Affleck to take over the Batman franchise though.
The Batfleck and Willshot castings had fans eating their own faces. It was like Event Horizon on the comic book message boards.
And they both turned out great.
I've liked the DC movies just as much as the Marvel movies.
But I also dig film-noire and westerns.
I absolutely get why a lot of people who love Marvel movies hate the darker cluttered DC movies.
My favorite superhero movie is still The Watchmen.
I could watch The Comedian and Rorschach in a rom-com.
Oddly enough I've read the Watchmen (I don't read comics very often the past 30 years) but haven't seen the movie
I did read Preacher but I ditched the series after the first episode though I still have it on DVR and may try again.
The Watchmen was a beautiful film but I hated the pacing and story. I know some die hard comic fans that either loved it or hated it.
I watched the first episode of Preacher and it was ok - nothing great.
The Netflix Marvel shows are superb.
Not comic but sci-fi Stranger Things on Netflix is amazing.
So I saw it last night. One thing I've noticed about comic book movies is that people who actually read comics are typically way harder on these movies than casual fans. I have a friend who reads comics that will argue for hours about what is wrong with every comic book movie because they aren't exactly like he thinks they should be, being a casual fan I don't care about the little things that bother comic readers. I'm also not a movie critic so if the movie is entertaining I'll probably enjoy it.
That said Suicide Squad didn't blow me away but it was okay. I found myself rooting for Rick Flag as he turned into my favorite character. Some things bugged me plot wise like how ineffective all of them except Diablo were against the brother. How did he not kill them all, except Diablo, within a minute? How is it that a bomb can kill him but then the military couldn't do anything? Surely they hit him with explosives right?
Also, Harley and Captain Boomerang were rather useless. Harley might as well have been any person with a baseball bat, and Captain Boomerang only actually threw his boomerangs a few times and mostly used them like knives. Again, a lot of people could do that.
Watched it last night. Loved it. It follows the older comics relatively well as far as character development is concerned. Deadshot plays the number 2 guy well, Boomerang is his usual selfish and worthless self. Amanda Waller was perfectly cold blooded. I found it predicable but still enjoyed it. I don't get the negative reviews it's getting.
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I think Margot Robbie nailed Harley Quinn. She was the bright spot for me. She's also nice to look at, so there's that too.
Will Smith did Will Smith blockbuster performance things. His Deadshot was good, no complaints with him.
I honestly think Jared Leto's Joker left a lot to be desired. I look for the chaotic insanity that the Joker is supposed to have. That quote from the Dark Knight, "Some men just want to watch the world burn," didn't quite show out here. The Joker looked more like a warlord/mob boss, and in that scene in the club I thought he could be a pimp with all the jewelry on. The look was fine, but the character direction was very lacking.
The sad thing about this movie is that you had Batman and The Joker in a the same movie and they had ZERO interaction with each other. That was one of the surprising things to me. I don't know anything about the source material for this movie, but overall I enjoyed it. It just feels standalone though, it doesn't feel like it builds to anything like you saw with the Marvel films. The only real link here is Batman/Bruce Wayne appearances and references to Superman.
As to Zach Snyder....he's really good at crafting imagery and creating some very stunning visuals. He's never really put together a coherent story that made sense and was well constructed/paced/etc. I think it's a good thing Affleck will have more creative input on Justice League, with Snyder directing. Affleck, for all his faults in the past, has done a great job with story elements. That's what the DC franchise is missing right now.
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