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Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.



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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
I agree with them. The AAC is an awesome conference but the big 12 just gives us way too much opportunity. Plus I doubt Tom Herman would leave if we are in the big 12.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
I really like the AAC. If it could ever keep from being poached...which it cannot, real rivalries would develop over time. I love the big city idea.
I sometimes think the poaching is so the networks don't have to pay each team as much.
It's easier to cough up $25 million for one add to the big XII than it is to pay each AAC team $10MM. But I'm cynical.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




His fake concern for G5 conferences makes me want to puke. If he truly felt college football is so great, then why doesn't he want to see an American conference team competing for a natty? Because thats what it means to stop poaching teams that rise up, and leave them in the G5 category.

And he doesn't mention at all the doormats (and there are plenty) of the P5 conferences who don't come close to performing like the best G5 teams, yet are benefiting from the conference TV deals as if they had something to do with it.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:58 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




His fake concern for G5 conferences makes me want to puke. If he truly felt college football is so great, then why doesn't he want to see an American conference team competing for a natty? Because thats what it means to stop poaching teams that rise up, and leave them in the G5 category.

And he doesn't mention at all the doormats (and there are plenty) of the P5 conferences who don't come close to performing like the best G5 teams, yet are benefiting from the conference TV deals as if they had something to do with it.

Agree. Most of the teams in our conference can whip any number of P5 teams, from the top to the bottom. Just last season, Houston killed FSU and Memphis whipped Ole Miss.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:28 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  I agree with them. The AAC is an awesome conference but the big 12 just gives us way too much opportunity. Plus I doubt Tom Herman would leave if we are in the big 12.

I wondered that as well...I imagine if/when you get into the B12 Herman stays (unless like, Texas opens up or some blue chip program).
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




The AAC is a good conf, the B12 decided to move 2 years to early. Had the AAC had time to do a new deal, They would have been in a position to cherry pick anyone from G4 as replacements. That may or may not be the case today.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




This is BS. What the hell does Brendan Haywood know about the AAC? The whole system is such BS. The old big east could compete with anyone and they were forced out. Now they are trying to do the same thing to the AAC.

This is nothing more than culling the herd to make sure the chosen few are the only competitors in CFB.

Who is "power" is based solely on TV contracts and what ESPN says. It doesn't make any sense. Why do we put up with this crap??
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.

It's very easy to say the AAC is a power conference, based on last year. But, the reality is, this is NOT a power conference, nor WILL it be. There is NO WAY this can be a power conference, if the TV payouts are an order of magnitude less than the power conferences.

Cincinnati is relying heavily on subsidy, and the Big East exit fees, just to stay afloat. The latter dries up very soon. Despite our renewed stadium, with an emphasis on revenue-producing luxury suites and premium seating, I still see UC (and any team in the AAC/G5) as in serious financial trouble in the future, in the event that it stays in this league.

And, if anyone thinks this league will get that TV bump, just out of football performance, think again. Look what happened to C-USA. As soon as this league loses teams, that same thing is going to happen to its TV deal.

I hate the game too, but my school has GOT TO PLAY IT.
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(07-23-2016 09:43 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  It's very easy to say the AAC is a power conference, based on last year. But, the reality is, this is NOT a power conference, nor WILL it be. There is NO WAY this can be a power conference, if the TV payouts are an order of magnitude less than the power conferences.

Cincinnati is relying heavily on subsidy, and the Big East exit fees, just to stay afloat. The latter dries up very soon. Despite our renewed stadium, with an emphasis on revenue-producing luxury suites and premium seating, I still see UC (and any team in the AAC/G5) as in serious financial trouble in the future, in the event that it stays in this league.

And, if anyone thinks this league will get that TV bump, just out of football performance, think again. Look what happened to C-USA. As soon as this league loses teams, that same thing is going to happen to its TV deal.

I hate the game too, but my school has GOT TO PLAY IT.

04-bow Well said BJ. Reality is a _itch!
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-23-2016 09:43 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.

It's very easy to say the AAC is a power conference, based on last year. But, the reality is, this is NOT a power conference, nor WILL it be. There is NO WAY this can be a power conference, if the TV payouts are an order of magnitude less than the power conferences.

Cincinnati is relying heavily on subsidy, and the Big East exit fees, just to stay afloat. The latter dries up very soon. Despite our renewed stadium, with an emphasis on revenue-producing luxury suites and premium seating, I still see UC (and any team in the AAC/G5) as in serious financial trouble in the future, in the event that it stays in this league.

And, if anyone thinks this league will get that TV bump, just out of football performance, think again. Look what happened to C-USA. As soon as this league loses teams, that same thing is going to happen to its TV deal.

I hate the game too, but my school has GOT TO PLAY IT.

Not is a power conference....it are a power conference.

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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
I don't think Gottlieb expanded on his complaint enough, which wasn't that Houston shouldn't go if offered, but that he's tired of the "big boys" poaching the conferences that are threatening to join the elite.

First it was C-USA 1.0, then the Mountain West, now the American... in some cases, it's like they are expanding to keep the other conferences down rather than to improve themselves. It seems like whenever these conferences are negotiating media deals, they are doing it in the wake of losses, clouding their value to TV networks.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-23-2016 10:01 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 09:43 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.

It's very easy to say the AAC is a power conference, based on last year. But, the reality is, this is NOT a power conference, nor WILL it be. There is NO WAY this can be a power conference, if the TV payouts are an order of magnitude less than the power conferences.

Cincinnati is relying heavily on subsidy, and the Big East exit fees, just to stay afloat. The latter dries up very soon. Despite our renewed stadium, with an emphasis on revenue-producing luxury suites and premium seating, I still see UC (and any team in the AAC/G5) as in serious financial trouble in the future, in the event that it stays in this league.

And, if anyone thinks this league will get that TV bump, just out of football performance, think again. Look what happened to C-USA. As soon as this league loses teams, that same thing is going to happen to its TV deal.

I hate the game too, but my school has GOT TO PLAY IT.

Not is a power conference....it are a power conference.

Requiem for the Queen's English.

They are a power conference... They is a power conference..

Sometimes transcribing someone's words gets disjointed.. Good thing we're on a message board, where sentence fragments and shorthand are the norm. Queens English. Lol
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
TV money (ESPN & Fox)is driving all this , that's why they will never pay the AAC like they should be It's easier to pick off the elite programs from a conference. Unfortunatedly that's the way it is.
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Gottlieb a term "Synonymous" with "Disingenuous":phew:. Like most syndicated Talking Heads, he sucks up to the Cartel-5 and ignores the 60+ Non-Cartel Universities who deserve to be seen and heard in the D1 Universe. Even those with really impressive accomplishments (i.e. Houston, Boise State, UCF, & to a lesser extent, Cincy and Memphis) remain neglected for The Almighty Ratings Dollar.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:54 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  I really like the AAC. If it could ever keep from being poached...which it cannot, real rivalries would develop over time. I love the big city idea.
I sometimes think the poaching is so the networks don't have to pay each team as much.
It's easier to cough up $25 million for one add to the big XII than it is to pay each AAC team $10MM. But I'm cynical.

As much as I was happy to move on to the Big East and then the ACC and for as much isht as I gave some of our rivals as we went out the door both times, I do wish that they could be reunited with us.

Like most fans of college sports my fandom came from community, a familial relationship to the institution and eventually my education there. Some of my earliest memories are of Freedom Hall or old Cardinal Stadium with my dad. I still have a foam finger with the dunking Cardinal bird and a metro conference logo on it from the 1980 tournament at the Hall. I was 5 years old then.

There is something to be said for relationships like we had with Memphis and UC and the new relationships that were just accumulating enough history to really care about them in both CUSA and the NBE. In football programs like ECU, USF and WVU come to mind. For the better part of the 80s through the mid-90s USM was the standard we aimed for in football. I was heartbroken by Brett Favre when he bounced a Hail Mary off a couple of helmets for a last second win in old CS. In basketball UC/UM/UL never really fit in with our conference mates. No one else consistently approached our level of passion and if they did on occasion they weren't culturally familiar, see Marquette or DePaul.

But it's the memorable moments and the slowly building nostalgia that make college athletics special. Seasons are part of a tapestry and we share those in common.

The new look ACC has by chance reunited some of these programs from my childhood under their umbrella in addition to several of our Big East peers. FSU, Georigia Tech, Virginia Tech were all metro members back then but the longest partnerships we had were with UC and Memphis. Off and on for my entire life and predating it these programs would form the core of athletic conferences and the heart of our seasons.

Who knows where this all ends, if it ever does, but with the signing of the ACC GOR the music has stopped for us and it is sad to me that we'll probably not share a conference with those two again. At least in my lifetime.
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-22-2016 10:54 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  I really like the AAC. If it could ever keep from being poached...which it cannot, real rivalries would develop over time. I love the big city idea.
I sometimes think the poaching is so the networks don't have to pay each team as much.
It's easier to cough up $25 million for one add to the big XII than it is to pay each AAC team $10MM. But I'm cynical.

No, you are exactly correct. That is precisely the reason it went from the the "Power 6" of the BCS to the "Power 5" of the CFP. Plus, the short attention span public and sports talking heads alike don't have to pay attention to nearly as many teams as they used to.
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(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




The AAC has never been a threat to the autonomy structure .
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RE: Gottlieb: "The AAC are a Big Boy (Conference)"
(07-26-2016 10:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-22-2016 10:04 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  He hates the continued poaching of conferences that threaten the autonomy structure.




The AAC has never been a threat to the autonomy structure .

Gottlieb was making a statement on competitiveness. I enjoyed your addle-minded retort nonetheless.
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