BYU, Houston, UConn, UCF

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

40k is tiny by P5 and top G5 standards. That may be huge for someone like ODU, but building a brand new stadium that small screams no fanbase. I'm sure any Cincy fan will tell you that they love Nippert, but that they understand that 40k is just not a good number for capacity when trying to move up. CSU might be #10 on a list of 10 candidates for expansion. Basically every AAC team with the exception of Tulsa and possibly Tulane offers more than CSU does. Also adding great markets basically gets you no where in TV negotiations if you have no penetration which CSU doesn't. Just ask CUSA and the AAC to a lesser extent.

(07-24-2016 01:22 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

40k is tiny by P5 and top G5 standards. That may be huge for someone like ODU, but building a brand new stadium that small screams no fanbase. I'm sure any Cincy fan will tell you that they love Nippert, but that they understand that 40k is just not a good number for capacity when trying to move up. CSU might be #10 on a list of 10 candidates for expansion. Basically every AAC team with the exception of Tulsa and possibly Tulane offers more than CSU does. Also adding great markets basically gets you no where in TV negotiations if you have no penetration which CSU doesn't. Just ask CUSA and the AAC to a lesser extent.

? Big XII members Baylor, TCU, Kansas, and K State all have stadiums with capacities at or below 50k

(07-24-2016 10:58 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 10:42 AM)panama Wrote:  UMass has a football stadium problem and no plan in place.

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Agreed and they have shown no real ambition besides "hey, invite us and we'll probably upgrade our facilities"

Can they not show initiative and do that beforehand? Plus they have abysmal football and i keep hearing basketball cred but when the hell was the last time their bball team DID something?

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for Mister know-it-all UMass has the backing of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft there's no turning back. UMass almost beat Colorado they have potential they played decent football in the New England, Massachusetts.

They got about as much fans as a lot of teams in the AAC does.
They play their home games at a pro stadium and that's going to continue is no incentive to expand their Stadium
Do I want to see teams leave no its a shame they're expanding and then going to steal teams that's not right but oh well life isn't fair.
This has become a pretty solid league its sad

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

If BYU comes in FB only, then CSU isn't really needed.

(07-24-2016 03:08 PM)Stookey57 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 10:58 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 10:42 AM)panama Wrote:  UMass has a football stadium problem and no plan in place.

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Agreed and they have shown no real ambition besides "hey, invite us and we'll probably upgrade our facilities"

Can they not show initiative and do that beforehand? Plus they have abysmal football and i keep hearing basketball cred but when the hell was the last time their bball team DID something?

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for Mister know-it-all UMass has the backing of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft there's no turning back. UMass almost beat Colorado they have potential they played decent football in the New England, Massachusetts.

Is he donating the millions for a stadium upgrade? Is playing 95 miles away in an NFL stadium the solution? And almost all candidates will have corporate and civic backers.

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(07-24-2016 03:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

If BYU comes in FB only, then CSU isn't really needed.

Where is this football only idea coming from. It's the Big 12.they will join in all sports.

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(07-24-2016 03:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 03:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

If BYU comes in FB only, then CSU isn't really needed.

Where is this football only idea coming from. It's the Big 12.they will join in all sports.

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The B12 made a statement saying they would be open to football only memberships, that's where people got the idea from

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(07-24-2016 03:38 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 03:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 03:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

If BYU comes in FB only, then CSU isn't really needed.

Where is this football only idea coming from. It's the Big 12.they will join in all sports.

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The B12 made a statement saying they would be open to football only memberships, that's where people got the idea from

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That's not happening

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(07-24-2016 02:00 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 01:22 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:32 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

Seriously Colorado St? Almost every AAC team would be taken before them. People throw out their name without realizing how terrible an expansion candidate they are. You always hear the same talking points "Brand new stadium" or "Denver TV market" without hearing the whole truth like "tiny new stadium" and "zero TV interest". I think football only Boise is far more likely than them and they aren't likely.

Tiny Stadium??? 42-45 k is tiny? No.
It is not about current TV interest either. It is about rights to a market and the subsequent impact that has on media negotiations.
Additionally CSU is a large Tier 1 university that couod help mitigate travel if BYU is added.
And yes, I think CoSt is picked only if BYU is added.

40k is tiny by P5 and top G5 standards. That may be huge for someone like ODU, but building a brand new stadium that small screams no fanbase. I'm sure any Cincy fan will tell you that they love Nippert, but that they understand that 40k is just not a good number for capacity when trying to move up. CSU might be #10 on a list of 10 candidates for expansion. Basically every AAC team with the exception of Tulsa and possibly Tulane offers more than CSU does. Also adding great markets basically gets you no where in TV negotiations if you have no penetration which CSU doesn't. Just ask CUSA and the AAC to a lesser extent.

? Big XII members Baylor, TCU, Kansas, and K State all have stadiums with capacities at or below 50k

Baylor, Kansas, and Kansas St are all in sparsely populated areas. Denver isn't exactly sparse. Also 3 of those schools wouldn't be Power 5 if not for the Big12. Kansas is debatable due to their lack of football market share. CSU averaged 26k fans in 2014 (their best year is awhile). That was their highest attendance in 10 years. Their TV ratings are also non-existent. There is no way they get invited to the Big12.

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

A coffee table magazine tells us how our school is ranked academically.

GTFOH. The people that matter are smarter than to rely on usnwr.

https://consumerist.com/2010/08/20/5-rea...e-of-crap/

I think appeasing UT & OU will a big part of the decision. Therefore, I think
there will be a Big XII South division that includes all of the current Texas & Oklahoma schools.

With that being a factor, I see BYU & Cincinnati added to the north & Houston to the south. That leaves one more north school. I see Colorado State (bringing the Denver mkt. & being a bridge to BYU), edging Memphis for the 4th spot.

UCONN has a P5 athletic program, but I think the geography is too much to overcome.

Houston, BYU, Memphis, and Cincinnati will be added by Big 12. Hence, AAC will loose 3 Teams. They will be replaced by Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion.

(07-24-2016 11:20 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Houston, BYU, Memphis, and Cincinnati will be added by Big 12. Hence, AAC will loose 3 Teams. They will be replaced by Southern Miss, Marshall, and Old Dominion.

The CUSA keg has been tapped dry... they should look elsewhere



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(07-24-2016 04:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:27 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  If the Big XII takes four, it will be Houston, Cincy, BYU, and Colorado State.

Here's why:
1. Houston because of it's top ten television market (#10), and it appears that Texas politics and UT-Austin will play a role. What Texas wants Texas gets. (see aforementioned UT president tweet and tweets regarding quid pro quo UH removal of the decades old opposition to a UT-Houston)
2. Cincinnati because of it's television market (#36) and to finally provide a geographic balance for WVU.
3. BYU because of it's television market (#34), it's name recognition; and it adds a second (cozy eh?) religiously oriented private to balance Baylor.
4. Colorado State because of it's top twenty television market (#17) and to geographically balance the western side of the Big XII with BYU as Cincy will balance the east. The new 41,000 seat stadium doesn't hurt either.

Memphis is a longer shot with a lower television market of 50 and a slightly awkward geographic location. Additionally, GaSt fan Panama noted today that every single P5 school is a USNWR Tier 1 institution. Memphis would be the first non Tier 1. I am not, however, sure whether that is important to the the Big XII or not.

UConn has been mentioned, but it is too far of a geographic outllier, and is located in (NE US) a place where football is either stagnant or actually losing popularity. Not much of a chance for them. IMO.

If the BigXII takes only two, I think it more likely that Houston and Cincy are the ones chosen because of WVU and UT promoting Houston.
Either way I think the AAC only loses two, in which case the AAC might not backfill at all.

Television DMA source:
https://www.tvb.org/Portals/0/media/file...-ranks.pdf

USNWR source:
https://www.usnewsuniversitydirectory.co...ersities/#

A coffee table magazine tells us how our school is ranked academically.

GTFOH. The people that matter are smarter than to rely on usnwr.

https://consumerist.com/2010/08/20/5-rea...e-of-crap/

Yep...they also rely on Carnegie...


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